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Post by Boise Aztec on Apr 25, 2024 14:23:26 GMT -8
My finger slip error, meant to type DAVIS, not David. Agreed, Majak is 95% likely redshirts. Do we all agree that Boyd slides over to the starting PG role, and we look for another shooter (Big SG/Wing) in addition to a post player? I understand the market sets the price.
Here's how I see the current roster.- Post 5: Heide, Johsnon & Majak (+TRANSFER) - Power F 4: Saunders & Compton - Forward S/Wing 3: Waters & Gwath - Shooting G/Wing 2: Byrd & Degourville (+TRANSFER) - Point G 1: Boyd & Davis TOTAL: 11 player (+2 TRANSFERS) I like what you have… unless there is something crazy, Byrd will take over the Parrish role and get 20-25 minutes at the 2-3… Water will also get similar minutes at the 2-3 role… leaving another 30 minutes or so available at the 2-3 for someone else… Boyd and Davis will split the minutes at the point… think 25 for Boyd and 15 for Davis with each of them maybe getting a few minutes at ehen2 spot… |
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Post by aztecmichael on Apr 25, 2024 14:33:56 GMT -8
Butler is worse IMO. Keshad put his name in the portal immediately and committed to UofA. We all know Keshad's family struggled financially, the tragic situation with his brother. I was sad to see him go but happy for him and thought he handled it perfectly ... it was classy. I had no issue rooting hard for him and UofA this one season. Butler feels like he's kind of hanging us out to dry a little. Could've and should've put his name in the portal weeks ago. Then his dad's comments sound bitter and negative ... essentially toward this program. That's disappointing on several levels ... but maybe the most as when I met Lamont's dad and chatted several times, he is a man of faith and wears it strongly in every sentence he speaks. This feels the opposite of that. That is probably personality the most disappointing to me ... not that anyone cares what I think. I wonder if it took Lamont longer to declare, because he had to be talked into it. I don't know, but maybe he wanted to stay, but eventually gave in. This seems like a very real possibility. Good call |
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Post by hoobs on Apr 25, 2024 14:36:01 GMT -8
My finger slip error, meant to type DAVIS, not David. Agreed, Majak is 95% likely redshirts. Do we all agree that Boyd slides over to the starting PG role, and we look for another shooter (Big SG/Wing) in addition to a post player? I understand the market sets the price.
Here's how I see the current roster.- Post 5: Heide, Johsnon & Majak (+TRANSFER) - Power F 4: Saunders & Compton - Forward S/Wing 3: Waters & Gwath - Shooting G/Wing 2: Byrd & Degourville (+TRANSFER) - Point G 1: Boyd & Davis TOTAL: 11 player (+2 TRANSFERS) Gwath won't play the 3 @ SDSU -- PF probably his best position, but he'll play some 5 too. But that makes a bit of a logjam at PF with Saunders as the presumptive starter, and Compton very likely pushing for some minutes. That's why I asked somewhere about Saunders maybe getting some mins at SF. |
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Post by tecsonthebeach on Apr 25, 2024 14:52:30 GMT -8
So many selfish takes in here. Lamont owes SDSU nothing, he did cost himself short term money by coming back last year. There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to maximize the $ you get, large majority of us would leave our current job for a double/triple raise elsewhere. This isn’t different. Lamont should be celebrated. I couldn’t agree more. Also, to me, his dad did not come off as “bitter” with what he said. Lamont and his parents have made a business decision. God bless him in his future travels. |
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Post by johneaztec on Apr 25, 2024 14:56:49 GMT -8
Will some players get more money now, since Butler's gone, since he made an upper echelon amount? Will they distribute that around to the better current players? Or, will it be used up with the new players coming in, especially if the player is a good one? Does it free up more NIL money? I don't know how it works.
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Post by rednblk on Apr 25, 2024 15:03:27 GMT -8
… to the portal. We may need to get used to this now.
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Post by jerry100 on Apr 25, 2024 15:20:19 GMT -8
Wish Lamont Butler the best wherever he lands in the portal.
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Post by aztecking on Apr 25, 2024 15:22:19 GMT -8
Will some players get more money now, since Butler's gone, since he made an upper echelon amount? Will they distribute that around to the better current players? Or, will it be used up with the new players coming in, especially if the player is a good one? Does it free up more NIL money? I don't know how it works. I’m not sure how much it would free up since much of his NIL came from businesses. The juice bar, SDFC ads, etc. which are now gonna be gone unless those businesses see value in paying our current players for stuff. |
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Post by johneaztec on Apr 25, 2024 15:23:56 GMT -8
Will some players get more money now, since Butler's gone, since he made an upper echelon amount? Will they distribute that around to the better current players? Or, will it be used up with the new players coming in, especially if the player is a good one? Does it free up more NIL money? I don't know how it works. I’m not sure how much it would free up since much of his NIL came from businesses. The juice bar, SDFC ads, etc. which are now gonna be gone unless those businesses see value in paying our current players for stuff. Oh, ok. Thanks |
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Post by aztecdan8 on Apr 25, 2024 15:59:13 GMT -8
Don't take it personal everyone. College basketball IS a big business, with BIG money being made. Lamont leaving sucks, but it was just a business decision. If someone offered you a lot more money for your job, you would likely change too. What I don't like about NIL is that the college doesn't directly pay the athlete, but makes big money off of him. You must not have read most of these posts. The vast majority have no issue with him leaving to literally pursue greener pastures 💰 What many- including myself - have SOME issue with is HOW he did it and his dad's negative comments. Additionally for ME is I met and chatted with Lamont Sr. 5 times last season ... twice in Maui, once in LV and before both games of the F4. He is a Man of Faith/God and he wears that prominently on his sleeve ... in an entire conversation. I am also a person of faith so we connected on that. With that being true for the Butler's, I'm not sure they've handled this in a "WWJD" way. I'm trying not to be judgmental about this - again, not the leaving itself - and I still think the world of both Lamont and his dad. |
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Post by aztecdan8 on Apr 25, 2024 16:00:39 GMT -8
I should also say, Keshad was not on any draft boards after he completed his final year at SDSU. Keshad is a consistent mid to late 2nd round pick in mock draft, after this year in Arizona. I am sure Keshad has influenced Butler's decision. Of course, Keshad played pretty well on the Arizona team, and benefitted from exposure playing on a bigger stage and bigger conference PAC-12. Can't take those away from him, but collectively, his case study turned out pretty well for his family and financial life. I would be shocked if Johnson is drafted. Keshad is starting to pop up on some mock drafts in the 2nd round. |
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Post by Cwag on Apr 25, 2024 16:01:53 GMT -8
Don't take it personal everyone. College basketball IS a big business, with BIG money being made. Lamont leaving sucks, but it was just a business decision. If someone offered you a lot more money for your job, you would likely change too. What I don't like about NIL is that the college doesn't directly pay the athlete, but makes big money off of him. You must not be ready my most of these posts. The vast majority have no issue with him leaving to literally pursue greener pastures 💰 What many- including myself - have SOME issue with is HOW he did it and his dad's negative comments. Additionally for ME is I met and chatted with Lamont Sr. 5 times last season ... twice in Maui, once in LV and before both games of the F4. He is a Nan of Faith/God answers that on his sleeve ... in an entire conversation. I am also a person of faith so we connected on that. With that being true for the Butler's, I'm not sure they've handled this in a "WWJD" way. They m trying not to be judgmental about this - again, not the leaving itself - and I still think the world of both Lamont and his dad. Jesus played basketball? |
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Post by docmm on Apr 25, 2024 16:38:02 GMT -8
Will some players get more money now, since Butler's gone, since he made an upper echelon amount? Will they distribute that around to the better current players? Or, will it be used up with the new players coming in, especially if the player is a good one? Does it free up more NIL money? I don't know how it works. I’m not sure how much it would free up since much of his NIL came from businesses. The juice bar, SDFC ads, etc. which are now gonna be gone unless those businesses see value in paying our current players for stuff. I thought Butler got $50K from the Aztec NIL$. He got another $50K from a booster after last year's Final Four and $100K from business endorsements. So that frees up at least $50K and anything the booster wants to donate again. |
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Post by biotec on Apr 25, 2024 17:04:30 GMT -8
You must not be ready my most of these posts. The vast majority have no issue with him leaving to literally pursue greener pastures 💰 What many- including myself - have SOME issue with is HOW he did it and his dad's negative comments. Additionally for ME is I met and chatted with Lamont Sr. 5 times last season ... twice in Maui, once in LV and before both games of the F4. He is a Nan of Faith/God answers that on his sleeve ... in an entire conversation. I am also a person of faith so we connected on that. With that being true for the Butler's, I'm not sure they've handled this in a "WWJD" way. They m trying not to be judgmental about this - again, not the leaving itself - and I still think the world of both Lamont and his dad. Jesus played basketball? Nah. Heck of a bowler, though  |
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Post by Gundo on Apr 25, 2024 17:26:22 GMT -8
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Post by 84aztec96 on Apr 25, 2024 17:38:25 GMT -8
Don't take it personal everyone. College basketball IS a big business, with BIG money being made. Lamont leaving sucks, but it was just a business decision. If someone offered you a lot more money for your job, you would likely change too. What I don't like about NIL is that the college doesn't directly pay the athlete, but makes big money off of him. You must not have read most of these posts. The vast majority have no issue with him leaving to literally pursue greener pastures 💰 What many- including myself - have SOME issue with is HOW he did it and his dad's negative comments. Additionally for ME is I met and chatted with Lamont Sr. 5 times last season ... twice in Maui, once in LV and before both games of the F4. He is a Man of Faith/God and he wears that prominently on his sleeve ... in an entire conversation. I am also a person of faith so we connected on that. With that being true for the Butler's, I'm not sure they've handled this in a "WWJD" way. I'm trying not to be judgmental about this - again, not the leaving itself - and I still think the world of both Lamont and his dad. I don't see it as unChristian. Just a tough decision based on reality. And reality gets messy. Maybe not handled perfectly, I don't know, but what is? As far as taking it personally, I'm pretty sure I'm talking to everyone including myself. When you are attached to a team and players on that team, it does hurt to have a player leave. But we have to keep in mind it really isn't personal. It's business. I could even argue that it would be wrong for him NOT to go to a place that payed him significantly more. |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Apr 25, 2024 17:58:39 GMT -8
You must not have read most of these posts. The vast majority have no issue with him leaving to literally pursue greener pastures 💰 What many- including myself - have SOME issue with is HOW he did it and his dad's negative comments. Additionally for ME is I met and chatted with Lamont Sr. 5 times last season ... twice in Maui, once in LV and before both games of the F4. He is a Man of Faith/God and he wears that prominently on his sleeve ... in an entire conversation. I am also a person of faith so we connected on that. With that being true for the Butler's, I'm not sure they've handled this in a "WWJD" way. I'm trying not to be judgmental about this - again, not the leaving itself - and I still think the world of both Lamont and his dad. I don't see it as unChristian. Just a tough decision based on reality. And reality gets messy. Maybe not handled perfectly, I don't know, but what is? As far as taking it personally, I'm pretty sure I'm talking to everyone including myself. When you are attached to a team and players on that team, it does hurt to have a player leave. But we have to keep in mind it really isn't personal. It's business. I could even argue that it would be wrong for him NOT to go to a place that payed him significantly more. It’s business, certainly. And in business, public comments can help or hurt. It would have been better to have said that they wanted to gauge the market for Lamont and that State is still a consideration. But that’s not what they said. They complained about the NIL deals from last year and said they would consider State if NIL fell through at other Universities. If I was Dutcher, I would say that we wish Lamont the best but he needs to fill that spot via the portal and operate as if Butler will not return. Otherwise you are branding your program as a a fallback. Business is chess where players react to the board and the moves of their opponent. It’s not hitting a tennis ball up against the wall where one person makes all the moves. |
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Post by CbLsD on Apr 25, 2024 18:05:35 GMT -8
He was a great Aztec, made the biggest shot in school history, is an elite defender, and is a very likable human. I wish him well in his future endeavors.
I think his time as an Aztec ran its natural course. There is no question his game regressed last season. Anybody being objective will agree with this. He would score 18, look like the best guard in CBB, and then score two points combined in the next two games. In today's game, having your SG or PG be a 30% 3-point shooter and a 59% FT shooter is unacceptable. This doesn’t diminish his standing as an all time great Aztec. Two things can both be true.
I’m looking forward to some new blood in the back court. I wouldn’t be surprised if we add another guard from the portal.
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Post by 84aztec96 on Apr 25, 2024 18:10:10 GMT -8
Fair enough. Just reread the UT article and can see what you are saying. I'm sure they could have said things differently, but it was going to hurt no matter what. And just for the record, I just didn't hear it that way. I heard a Dad saying his son could have made more money last year (true?) and shouldn't do the same thing this year (make less). Could he have said it better, sure. But it probably is true.
You are right about Business being chess. Unfortunately, we (Aztec basketball) are playing down a piece or two compared to some of the other schools!
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Post by bobcooper84 on Apr 25, 2024 18:13:05 GMT -8
Adios Lamont......
Bring in guys that want to be here....
In Dutcher I trust!
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