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Post by LostAztec on Apr 25, 2024 18:33:32 GMT -8
Not a good analogy...one's wife has his best interest in mind...and both literally have skin in the game...lastly...there are serious consequences of it not working out...in Butler, Keshad and Parrish's case...they fulfilled their committed obligation to "the team"...and are now free agents in their gifted bonus Covid year... their transfer to another school is no different than Wetzel transfering to us in his fifth year....I understand your point. But a traitor is a hero who decides to fight for the other side ... where the traitor to the other side who decides to fight for your side is branded a hero. He gave four years to the program. But, for the covid season, he would be out if eligibility. The kid deserves to get what he can, while he can. Aztec For Life. Even if he had missed the buzzer beater. |
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Post by heuschele on Apr 25, 2024 19:40:57 GMT -8
Your analogy is off because your numbers are off badly. He isn’t gonna make 5x somewhere else. He made $200k here last season and with increased MESA funding and NIL deals probably $300k next season. He isn’t gonna get more than $400-500k elsewhere. We just learned from Zeigler (if you read between the lines) that Parrish was promised $400k by Ohio St and later learned it was actually only going to be $200k, after he committed of course. Fair enough. I think the Butler family has done some "math". I think this is their conclusion: - Make more money elsewhere
- Assume not playing in CA, Avoid state income taxes (let's just say anywhere from 2-10% savings, varying from lower to no state taxes for his new school)
- Be a better fit in a system that compliments his last chance to showcase his offensive game plan or allow him to shoot X shots. Butler already knows what he's getting at SDSU next year, so if there is the perceived possibility, where he can gain in addition to the above 2 bullet items, that's the real motivator, as the first 2 are sure things (cherry on top). Next year is his last and only year left. Make due with what he's got.
Is this the same group that advised him to enter the nba draft the last 2 years? My point is the evidence seems to be that they mis judge his potential. Reality is - he regressed offensively to not even an average starter - he thinks he has nba skills, nba states otherwise - good/great defensive player. Great defense is under valued by most markets, but is mostly appreciated here. - 4 years at SDSU versus 1 year where he transfers - has the shot here. What will he have where he transfers other than good defense (not valued) and poor offense. - Finals game (final 4). Even if he obtains this with his new team, it will be at the end of the season. My prediction is his NIL money will not be substantially higher than at SDSU and that he and his family have once again (similar to entering the draft twice when virtually everyone but the Butlers knew he was not nba caliber) a false sense of his value and prospects. |
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Post by heuschele on Apr 25, 2024 19:47:07 GMT -8
Feels crappy cause he valued a quick payday over a lasting legacy. $200k last year here is nothing to sniff at and it would’ve been more this year with the increased MESA funding. It’d be like if Gwynn left the Padres for the last 5 years of his career for a bigger contract with the Yankees. Just wouldn’t feel right. Had he stayed he probably gets his jersey in the rafters someday after 5 years in the program, multiple postseason runs and the biggest moment in program history. Now, I don’t think that ever happens. Hope it’s worth it for him. How do you feel about Trevor Hoffman, then? Hoffman did not start with the Pads, did not finish with the Pads, and no one would refer to him as Mr Padre. He is a good player but he is not loved like Gwynn. |
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Post by aztecfred on Apr 25, 2024 19:53:13 GMT -8
Would we be interested in Roddie Anderson?
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Post by chris92065 on Apr 25, 2024 20:01:17 GMT -8
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Post by chris92065 on Apr 25, 2024 20:03:59 GMT -8
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Post by 91aztec on Apr 25, 2024 20:10:32 GMT -8
There is a whole lot more to both of them than just the numbers, they both embody everything great about being an Aztec. Both are/were big loses. AFL
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Post by aztecmichael on Apr 25, 2024 20:49:18 GMT -8
I really like Lamont and his family. He is a true Aztec and is a representative And representation of our basketball program.
I hope he gets a lot more money than he would here. And I hope it’s worth it to them. Because he just lost out on a lot
He lost out on his picture all over town, he lost out on eternal hero status in San Diego, he lost out on being able to come back to Viejas and sit in the front row and be introduced Without trepidation in the crowd. Those things may sound silly against 100 or $200,000, but in the future, I believe he will miss those things. I hope he made the right decision for himself. I honestly believe he’s not at peace with this decision - I think this is a family generated move.
Lamont, we will miss you- Go find your happiness, but we will be just fine
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Post by longtimebooster on Apr 25, 2024 21:05:58 GMT -8
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Post by jpaztec on Apr 25, 2024 21:13:59 GMT -8
The bitterness some of you show is unbelievable. The kid gave us his best, even if that wasn’t good enough for a lot of you, for 4 years. Was a model player, student, and teammate, hit the biggest shot in program history and got us into a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME, and has absolutely fulfilled his commitment and obligation to the program. He doesn’t owe you, me or anybody else anything. Chase your dream, Lamont. I hope he finds a fan base that appreciates him more than ours does.
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Post by mySTRAS on Apr 25, 2024 21:21:08 GMT -8
Would be great for our reputation... "SDSU guard transfers to Duke to replace 5-star Jeremy Roach"!  |
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Post by aztecking on Apr 26, 2024 5:24:19 GMT -8
I bet he ends up at USC. Close to home and they’ll probably throw a bag of cash at him.
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Post by longtimebooster on Apr 26, 2024 6:25:37 GMT -8
The bitterness some of you show is unbelievable. The kid gave us his best, even if that wasn’t good enough for a lot of you, for 4 years. Was a model player, student, and teammate, hit the biggest shot in program history and got us into a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME, and has absolutely fulfilled his commitment and obligation to the program. He doesn’t owe you, me or anybody else anything. Chase your dream, Lamont. I hope he finds a fan base that appreciates him more than ours does. Who's bitter? I don't see it. Much. I think the bitterness you speak of is more a reflection of the annoyance of NIL rippling through the landscape of college hoops and the fact that it has now rolled ashore at SDSU. Also, I and others aren't sure Butler can go out in the college hoops marketplace and command an extra $200k, $300k or $400k that would make it worthwhile for him to jump ship. Maybe we're wrong, but probably not. If I'm a player of his caliber, I doubt I'd change programs for an extra $100k or even $200k. Not worth it in the long run. Having said all that, he'll always have a special place in the heart of every Aztec fan for that one singular moment in Houston. And I wish him nothing but the best. I'm pretty sure that's the sentiment of 98% of Aztec fans. As for the other 2%? They're knuckleheads whose opinions shouldn't matter. |
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Post by Section T(urn Up) on Apr 26, 2024 6:38:40 GMT -8
The bitterness some of you show is unbelievable. The kid gave us his best, even if that wasn’t good enough for a lot of you, for 4 years. Was a model player, student, and teammate, hit the biggest shot in program history and got us into a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME, and has absolutely fulfilled his commitment and obligation to the program. He doesn’t owe you, me or anybody else anything. Chase your dream, Lamont. I hope he finds a fan base that appreciates him more than ours does. Who's bitter? I don't see it. Much. I think the bitterness you speak of is more a reflection of the annoyance of NIL rippling through the landscape of college hoops and the fact that it has now rolled ashore at SDSU. Also, I and others aren't sure Butler can go out in the college hoops marketplace and command an extra $200k, $300k or $400k that would make it worthwhile for him to jump ship. Maybe we're wrong, but probably not. If I'm a player of his caliber, I doubt I'd change programs for an extra $100k or even $200k. Not worth it in the long run.Having said all that, he'll always have a special place in the heart of every Aztec fan for that one singular moment in Houston. And I wish him nothing but the best. I'm pretty sure that's the sentiment of 98% of Aztec fans. As for the other 2%? They're knuckleheads whose opinions shouldn't matter. I agree with the first bolded statement and I understand people having an emotional reaction to it, feeling jilted by the departure of Butler and looking for logical reasons to support that feeling. I don’t think we need to care about the timing of when he entered the portal of his dad’s comments in the paper. It hurts either way because NIL and the easing of transfer restrictions are devastating college sports. The latter comment is irksome to me and prompted my responding at all. I just don’t think any of us can know how much more money he anticipates getting, how much more he’ll actually get, and whether it’s worth it to him. We don’t have enough information and we never will. |
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Post by longtimebooster on Apr 26, 2024 6:59:16 GMT -8
Who's bitter? I don't see it. Much. I think the bitterness you speak of is more a reflection of the annoyance of NIL rippling through the landscape of college hoops and the fact that it has now rolled ashore at SDSU. Also, I and others aren't sure Butler can go out in the college hoops marketplace and command an extra $200k, $300k or $400k that would make it worthwhile for him to jump ship. Maybe we're wrong, but probably not. If I'm a player of his caliber, I doubt I'd change programs for an extra $100k or even $200k. Not worth it in the long run.Having said all that, he'll always have a special place in the heart of every Aztec fan for that one singular moment in Houston. And I wish him nothing but the best. I'm pretty sure that's the sentiment of 98% of Aztec fans. As for the other 2%? They're knuckleheads whose opinions shouldn't matter. I agree with the first bolded statement and I understand people having an emotional reaction to it, feeling jilted by the departure of Butler and looking for logical reasons to support that feeling. I don’t think we need to care about the timing of when he entered the portal of his dad’s comments in the paper. It hurts either way because NIL and the easing of transfer restrictions are devastating college sports. The latter comment is irksome to me and prompted my responding at all. I just don’t think any of us can know how much more money he anticipates getting, how much more he’ll actually get, and whether it’s worth it to him. We don’t have enough information and we never will. Of course, I'm not in a position to say how much cash matters to Butler and why. However, I've done a lot of executive recruiting and even for folks with accounting degrees who've never stepped on the hardwood, there's a significant switching cost when changing companies or organizations. I made that comment based on the switching cost hassle Butler can expect to encounter by changing programs. Further, I'm guessing if it's a matter of an extra $100k, I'm pretty sure Dutcher or the SDSU NIL collective could rustle up an extra $100k to keep him here. But if I were his adviser, I'd tell him to stay put unless he were getting $200k+ for switching. Having said that, I can't say what's in Butler's head or heart. Could come down to something more than just money -- like flying charter for every game and forgoing the grind of having to make trips to Laramie, Logan, Colo. Springs, etc. |
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Post by aztecking on Apr 26, 2024 6:59:55 GMT -8
Who's bitter? I don't see it. Much. I think the bitterness you speak of is more a reflection of the annoyance of NIL rippling through the landscape of college hoops and the fact that it has now rolled ashore at SDSU. Also, I and others aren't sure Butler can go out in the college hoops marketplace and command an extra $200k, $300k or $400k that would make it worthwhile for him to jump ship. Maybe we're wrong, but probably not. If I'm a player of his caliber, I doubt I'd change programs for an extra $100k or even $200k. Not worth it in the long run.Having said all that, he'll always have a special place in the heart of every Aztec fan for that one singular moment in Houston. And I wish him nothing but the best. I'm pretty sure that's the sentiment of 98% of Aztec fans. As for the other 2%? They're knuckleheads whose opinions shouldn't matter. I agree with the first bolded statement and I understand people having an emotional reaction to it, feeling jilted by the departure of Butler and looking for logical reasons to support that feeling. I don’t think we need to care about the timing of when he entered the portal of his dad’s comments in the paper. It hurts either way because NIL and the easing of transfer restrictions are devastating college sports. The latter comment is irksome to me and prompted my responding at all. I just don’t think any of us can know how much more money he anticipates getting, how much more he’ll actually get, and whether it’s worth it to him. We don’t have enough information and we never will. Parrish ended up at $200k. Butler is a better get but more than $400k would be surprising to me. He made $200k here last year and with increased MESA funding maybe that would jump to $250-300k? |
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Post by Den60 on Apr 26, 2024 7:22:45 GMT -8
How do you feel about Trevor Hoffman, then? Hoffman did not start with the Pads, did not finish with the Pads, and no one would refer to him as Mr Padre. He is a good player but he is not loved like Gwynn. And Trevor's fastball dipped into the 80s his last season with the Padres making his changeup less effective. He managed a decent comeback year but was horrid the following year. Some just don't know when it is time to hang it up. However, there will never be a better walk up song than Hell's Bells and I'm not a hard rock guy. |
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Post by Section T(urn Up) on Apr 26, 2024 7:38:36 GMT -8
I agree with the first bolded statement and I understand people having an emotional reaction to it, feeling jilted by the departure of Butler and looking for logical reasons to support that feeling. I don’t think we need to care about the timing of when he entered the portal of his dad’s comments in the paper. It hurts either way because NIL and the easing of transfer restrictions are devastating college sports. The latter comment is irksome to me and prompted my responding at all. I just don’t think any of us can know how much more money he anticipates getting, how much more he’ll actually get, and whether it’s worth it to him. We don’t have enough information and we never will. Of course, I'm not in a position to say how much cash matters to Butler and why. However, I've done a lot of executive recruiting and even for folks with accounting degrees who've never stepped on the hardwood, there's a significant switching cost when changing companies or organizations. I made that comment based on the switching cost hassle Butler can expect to encounter by changing programs. Further, I'm guessing if it's a matter of an extra $100k, I'm pretty sure Dutcher or the SDSU NIL collective could rustle up an extra $100k to keep him here. But if I were his adviser, I'd tell him to stay put unless he were getting $200k+ for switching. Having said that, I can't say what's in Butler's head or heart. Could come down to something more than just money -- like flying charter for every game and forgoing the grind of having to make trips to Laramie, Logan, Colo. Springs, etc. I agree with you, but I’m over the years of grinding in my career and can look back with wisdom I didn’t have as a 22 year old. I think part of it depends on whether he has his degree. If so, he can close the SDSU chapter and always be an alum. I went to grad school, too, but I paid a lot of money for it, not the inverse. I also think he’ll get more than 450k, or at least that’s what will be reported. |
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Post by bobcooper84 on Apr 26, 2024 7:56:40 GMT -8
Would be great for our reputation... "SDSU guard transfers to Duke to replace 5-star Jeremy Roach"! What would be better for our reputation is Butler sticking around and leading this group to his third consecutive sweet 16! |
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Post by azman on Apr 26, 2024 8:44:48 GMT -8
I agree with the first bolded statement and I understand people having an emotional reaction to it, feeling jilted by the departure of Butler and looking for logical reasons to support that feeling. I don’t think we need to care about the timing of when he entered the portal of his dad’s comments in the paper. It hurts either way because NIL and the easing of transfer restrictions are devastating college sports. The latter comment is irksome to me and prompted my responding at all. I just don’t think any of us can know how much more money he anticipates getting, how much more he’ll actually get, and whether it’s worth it to him. We don’t have enough information and we never will. Parrish ended up at $200k. Butler is a better get but more than $400k would be surprising to me. He made $200k here last year and with increased MESA funding maybe that would jump to $250-300k? I thought Parrish got 400k? |
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