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Post by wakelaunch on Apr 25, 2024 9:56:27 GMT -8
Fine, whatever. This is how college basketball is. Hopefully it doesn't continue to go the direction of the NBA that is a joke. My only issue is...he is a 21 year old young man, getting paid $200,000 last year to go to college and play basketball. Not sure how his family had to, "...sacrifice financially". What are we teaching our young men? His dad just did him a terrible disservice. Those quotes are brutal and make him not sound good. He sounds pissed that he didn't leave last year. Maybe his dad wanted him to leave last year. But either way his seems to be more about the money which stains Butlers legacy. His son is the one playing, shooting free throws and making offensive choices. I don't think anyone including myself wanted one individual player to be more aggressive offensively in the midrange. I was very critical of him because it general he is way to passive on the basketball court. I thought with the NBA training, we would see an uptick in his offensive game and contention for him to be player of the year in the conference. He was basically the same player with significantly worse shooting percentages. Dutcher gives guys more range than maybe any coach. He should have entered the portal 2 weeks ago and that would have drastically helped his legacy. Now he has a left a little stain on it that 200K and winning wasn't good enough for him. |
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Post by standiego on Apr 25, 2024 10:13:48 GMT -8
bigger message to follow and more current
Dutcher - if a player enters the Portal then I have to be recruiting for SDSU to have the best team it can have for the up coming season
Fans have to let it go with Butler other then it he has made a decision and both sides have to move forward -
Dutcher has a lot on his plate now - Recruiting - new Assistant coach to assist him - Recruiting - OOC schedule - Recruiting
Only wish Butler had made his decision even earlier
But move forward - the back talk about his father or .... doesn't help anyone - so move on there is a lot of recruiting that needs to be done
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Post by fisherville on Apr 25, 2024 10:17:55 GMT -8
So many selfish takes in here. Lamont owes SDSU nothing, he did cost himself short term money by coming back last year. There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to maximize the $ you get, large majority of us would leave our current job for a double/triple raise elsewhere. This isn’t different. Lamont should be celebrated.
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Post by wakelaunch on Apr 25, 2024 10:27:56 GMT -8
So many selfish takes in here. Lamont owes SDSU nothing, he did cost himself short term money by coming back last year. There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to maximize the $ you get, large majority of us would leave our current job for a double/triple raise elsewhere. This isn’t different. Lamont should be celebrated. Give me a break. Waiting 2 weeks. His Dads negative quotes. Many people take less money all the time to be happy. He was paid more than most to play a game. You don't throw your food at people and not expect a response. |
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Post by bigdude619 on Apr 25, 2024 10:28:09 GMT -8
I thank Butler for his time here and wish him good luck at his next stop. This is just how the game is played now. Players can offer their services to the highest bidder just like a bajillion coaches have. Lamont can hang defensively at the next level, but his offense will continue to hold him back. Might as well get a nice payday now because those NBA checks are a long shot at best for him.
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Post by standiego on Apr 25, 2024 10:31:58 GMT -8
would guess that more people are upset with the NIL situations then Lamont deciding to enter the Portal
Both sides should stay positive and try to make the most of the future - now that Butler has made a decision
But would guess that the NBA made their opinions known to Lamont last year as they did to Ledee - possibly go back to school and improve your game
Lamont can entertain offers and Dutcher can now use the scholarship to try to recruit a player to assist SDSU
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Apr 25, 2024 10:32:31 GMT -8
So many selfish takes in here. Lamont owes SDSU nothing, he did cost himself short term money by coming back last year. There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to maximize the $ you get, large majority of us would leave our current job for a double/triple raise elsewhere. This isn’t different. Lamont should be celebrated. Give me a break. Waiting 2 weeks. His Dads negative quotes. Many people take less money all the time to be happy. He was paid more than most to play a game. You don't throw your food at people and not expect a response. Blame it on DEI, CRT and wokeness.... |
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Post by aztecking on Apr 25, 2024 10:39:59 GMT -8
So many selfish takes in here. Lamont owes SDSU nothing, he did cost himself short term money by coming back last year. There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to maximize the $ you get, large majority of us would leave our current job for a double/triple raise elsewhere. This isn’t different. Lamont should be celebrated. Give me a break. Waiting 2 weeks. His Dads negative quotes. Many people take less money all the time to be happy. He was paid more than most to play a game. You don't throw your food at people and not expect a response. Last season he made more money than an Aztec athlete has ever made in a single season. And to be ungrateful for that is the problem. Go get your money and be happy elsewhere… |
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Post by survalli on Apr 25, 2024 10:45:08 GMT -8
Fine, whatever. This is how college basketball is. Hopefully it doesn't continue to go the direction of the NBA that is a joke. My only issue is...he is a 21 year old young man, getting paid $200,000 last year to go to college and play basketball. Not sure how his family had to, "...sacrifice financially". What are we teaching our young men? His dad just did him a terrible disservice. Those quotes are brutal and make him not sound good. He sounds pissed that he didn't leave last year. Maybe his dad wanted him to leave last year. But either way his seems to be more about the money which stains Butlers legacy. His son is the one playing, shooting free throws and making offensive choices. I don't think anyone including myself wanted one individual player to be more aggressive offensively in the midrange. I was very critical of him because it general he is way to passive on the basketball court. I thought with the NBA training, we would see an uptick in his offensive game and contention for him to be player of the year in the conference. He was basically the same player with significantly worse shooting percentages. Dutcher gives guys more range than maybe any coach. He should have entered the portal 2 weeks ago and that would have drastically helped his legacy. Now he has a left a little stain on it that 200K and winning wasn't good enough for him. if he is pissed he has every right to be, Lamont's value was never higher than it was after the NC game. Playing last year, with the immense pressure that was on him to show improvement to his game, he came up short. Whatever he receives this year will be far less than what he could of gotten last year, like Keshad. We also do not know the entire story, how many times have we heard about players being promised X amount of dollars and endorsements, only for those pledging to come up with far less. Its possible that the money that was there last year, isn't the same this year after his less than spectacular performance. |
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Post by wakelaunch on Apr 25, 2024 10:51:43 GMT -8
His dad just did him a terrible disservice. Those quotes are brutal and make him not sound good. He sounds pissed that he didn't leave last year. Maybe his dad wanted him to leave last year. But either way his seems to be more about the money which stains Butlers legacy. His son is the one playing, shooting free throws and making offensive choices. I don't think anyone including myself wanted one individual player to be more aggressive offensively in the midrange. I was very critical of him because it general he is way to passive on the basketball court. I thought with the NBA training, we would see an uptick in his offensive game and contention for him to be player of the year in the conference. He was basically the same player with significantly worse shooting percentages. Dutcher gives guys more range than maybe any coach. He should have entered the portal 2 weeks ago and that would have drastically helped his legacy. Now he has a left a little stain on it that 200K and winning wasn't good enough for him. if he is pissed he has every right to be, Lamont's value was never higher than it was after the NC game. Playing last year, with the immense pressure that was on him to show improvement to his game, he came up short. Whatever he receives this year will be far less than what he could of gotten last year, like Keshad. We also do not know the entire story, how many times have we heard about players being promised X amount of dollars and endorsements, only for those pledging to come up with far less. Its possible that the money that was there last year, isn't the same this year after his less than spectacular performance. I completely disagree but that's why we are on a message board. |
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Post by Den60 on Apr 25, 2024 10:51:43 GMT -8
We brought in Boyd. He is a PG. We have Davis as well. Byrd as a #2. Who knows who we may bring in to replace Butler but I really don't think the coaching staff was caught blindsided on this. Byrd far from being ready to be a reliable 2. His handle doesnt have to be great but it needs to be very good.. it's not He also needs to be able to shoot/score from the midrange - off the bounce as well. He ain't that either. Hope he's working as hard as Jaedon did. He and Saunders both need to be working their tails off ... from what I understand they were both like puppies last summer joined at the hip with Jaedon, so they both saw what it takes to be be truly great. Those 2 reaching their junior year potential could determine how good our season is. As they both are supremely talented in many ways Players seem to improve under Dutcher. I did say we need to add another guard. |
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Post by Den60 on Apr 25, 2024 10:53:34 GMT -8
Those are just the ones who got significant playing time last year. Now add: BJ Davis Goon Pharoah Compton Taj DeGourville Thokbor Majak And then we still have 2 scholarships available, three if Johnson transfers. I highly doubt any of those guys except Magoon plays any significant role next season. You really think BJ Davis sits? From what I understand, Compton has the body of more mature player. We played Heide quite a bit as a freshman. |
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Post by survalli on Apr 25, 2024 10:53:42 GMT -8
im waiting for the day we see a college player refuse to pay because someone missed a NIL payment.
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Post by aztecking on Apr 25, 2024 10:56:06 GMT -8
I highly doubt any of those guys except Magoon plays any significant role next season. You really think BJ Davis sits? From what I understand, Compton has the body of more mature player. We played Heide quite a bit as a freshman. Not sits but I don’t think more than 10 minutes a game. |
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Post by docmm on Apr 25, 2024 10:59:43 GMT -8
I thank Butler for his time here and wish him good luck at his next stop. This is just how the game is played now. Players can offer their services to the highest bidder just like a bajillion coaches have. Lamont can hang defensively at the next level, but his offense will continue to hold him back. Might as well get a nice payday now because those NBA checks are a long shot at best for him. He's definitely better on defense than offense but his 6'2" height would not make it easy defensively against a whole lot of 6'3" to 6'7", very quick, very strong NBA guards. I don't see him as a 3&D role player unless he significantly improves his 3-point shot. I'm anxious to see where he ends up and what he contributes to whatever team he's on. The only good thing about all of this is that, assuming he ends up on a rich P5 team, whoever is announcing those widely viewed P5 games will regularly bring up SDSU in the Final Four and his shot. |
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Post by docmm on Apr 25, 2024 11:04:12 GMT -8
You really think BJ Davis sits? From what I understand, Compton has the body of more mature player. We played Heide quite a bit as a freshman. Not sits but I don’t think more than 10 minutes a game. I think BJ is more likely looking at 16-20 minutes a game. Boyd will need breathers and I just don't see Byrd having the handles to comfortably bring the ball against sustained pressure unless he works on those handles like crazy in the off-season. BJ is quick and fast and handles the ball well. Don't forget, Davis was a 50%-40%-90% guy in high school. I know that was high school but if he plays regularly and learns to not be afraid to make a mistake, I think that shooting returns. |
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Post by Den60 on Apr 25, 2024 11:06:20 GMT -8
You really think BJ Davis sits? From what I understand, Compton has the body of more mature player. We played Heide quite a bit as a freshman. Not sits but I don’t think more than 10 minutes a game. Don't agree. I believe the players we recruit work hard to improve. BJ was highly regarded out of HS. He had a 4 year and a 5 year player in front of him this year. |
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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on Apr 25, 2024 11:11:38 GMT -8
Butler is not going to make a ton of money as a pro. He has one year to make more than he can make in the next 10 years after college. You can’t fault him for that
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Post by aztecm on Apr 25, 2024 11:15:54 GMT -8
I thank Butler for his time here and wish him good luck at his next stop. This is just how the game is played now. Players can offer their services to the highest bidder just like a bajillion coaches have. Lamont can hang defensively at the next level, but his offense will continue to hold him back. Might as well get a nice payday now because those NBA checks are a long shot at best for him. He's definitely better on defense than offense but his 6'2" height would not make it easy defensively against a whole lot of 6'3" to 6'7", very quick, very strong NBA guards. I don't see him as a 3&D role player unless he significantly improves his 3-point shot. I'm anxious to see where he ends up and what he contributes to whatever team he's on. The only good thing about all of this is that, assuming he ends up on a rich P5 team, whoever is announcing those widely viewed P5 games will regularly bring up SDSU in the Final Four and his shot. There isn't a 3&D opportunity in the league with his height. It's be an NBA PG or head overseas - meaning he needs to be almost perfect at running a PnR, create a shot if he needs to late in the clock, and he would need to be shooting 35%+ from the NBA 3 pt line. |
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Post by sdsu1975 on Apr 25, 2024 11:32:08 GMT -8
His offense , including free throws, limits his choices. He just is not very good on offense and no way is he getting drafted.
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