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Post by aztecdan8 on Apr 24, 2024 21:37:48 GMT -8
Any chance we can get Mahaney now? Butler served well his time with us at sdsu. He will remembered for his defense and the greatest shot in Aztec history. Mahaney has just about every blue chip in the country after him. He'll probably get paid $1,000,000-plus. |
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Post by docmm on Apr 24, 2024 21:37:59 GMT -8
I don't begrudge his decision, he wants to make money. That's fine. But I hate that he didn't do this when he said he was going to the NBA camps. He had to know then what he was going to do. He owed Dutcher the truth. And who knows if it cost us, as potential Guards may not have come here because they thought Butler was coming back.
I'll always be grateful for his time here but I can't say I'll be rooting for him any more. That's OK, it's not the end of the world.
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Post by aztecdan8 on Apr 24, 2024 21:42:07 GMT -8
If they weren’t surprised then how come we haven’t brought any addition guards in over the last couple weeks? Clearly Boyd isn’t enough there. They’ve only been bring in centers lately. We brought in Boyd. He is a PG. We have Davis as well. Byrd as a #2. Who knows who we may bring in to replace Butler but I really don't think the coaching staff was caught blindsided on this. Byrd far from being ready to be a reliable 2. His handle doesnt have to be great but it needs to be very good.. it's not He also needs to be able to shoot/score from the midrange - off the bounce as well. He ain't that either. Hope he's working as hard as Jaedon did. He and Saunders both need to be working their tails off ... from what I understand they were both like puppies last summer joined at the hip with Jaedon, so they both saw what it takes to be be truly great. Those 2 reaching their junior year potential could determine how good our season is. As they both are supremely talented in many ways |
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Post by aztecdan8 on Apr 24, 2024 21:45:39 GMT -8
College sports is quickly being ruined for me with NIL. This sucks Totally ruining college sports, IMO. Ruining it for non power schools like us. The big boys like it just fine, because they are the haves. It's NCAA communism, all the riches in the hands of the elite, the rest stand in line waiting ... hoping to get some government cheese |
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Post by aztecdan8 on Apr 24, 2024 21:46:41 GMT -8
Breath deep the gathering gloom. Watch lights fade from every room. It's a game that we love to watch and the team will be fine but some fans may not. Feel like you finishing the lyrics would've been better ... or more accurate to how I'm feeling. |
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Post by aztecdan8 on Apr 24, 2024 21:51:29 GMT -8
Those are just the ones who got significant playing time last year. Now add: BJ Davis Goon Pharoah Compton Taj DeGourville Thokbor Majak And then we still have 2 scholarships available, three if Johnson transfers. I highly doubt any of those guys except Magoon plays any significant role next season. Compton will play. How much depends on how he performs when he gets the chance. He's the rare freshmen we landed that I isn't thin and need a year to "fill out" |
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Post by aztecdan8 on Apr 24, 2024 21:59:50 GMT -8
New quotes in Zeigler’s article make it clear this was a decision solely based on money. Also sounded like his dad was sort of bitter that their family sacrificed financially last year for Butler to stay here. He traded a couple hundred thousand difference in pay for a year for his lasting legacy in SD. We all saw how fans turned on Keshad, it’s gonna happen for Butler too. Sucks all around. Butler is worse IMO. Keshad put his name in the portal immediately and committed to UofA. We all know Keshad's family struggled financially, the tragic situation with his brother. I was sad to see him go but happy for him and thought he handled it perfectly ... it was classy. I had no issue rooting hard for him and UofA this one season. Butler feels like he's kind of hanging us out to dry a little. Could've and should've put his name in the portal weeks ago. Then his dad's comments sound bitter and negative ... essentially toward this program. That's disappointing on several levels ... but maybe the most as when I met Lamont's dad and chatted several times, he is a man of faith and wears it strongly in every sentence he speaks. This feels the opposite of that. That is probably personally the most disappointing to me ... not that anyone cares what I think. |
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Post by aztecking on Apr 24, 2024 22:45:27 GMT -8
New quotes in Zeigler’s article make it clear this was a decision solely based on money. Also sounded like his dad was sort of bitter that their family sacrificed financially last year for Butler to stay here. He traded a couple hundred thousand difference in pay for a year for his lasting legacy in SD. We all saw how fans turned on Keshad, it’s gonna happen for Butler too. Sucks all around. Butler is worse IMO. Keshad put his name in the portal immediately and committed to UofA. We all know Keshad's family struggled financially, the tragic situation with his brother. I was sad to see him go but happy for him and thought he handled it perfectly ... it was classy. I had no issue rooting hard for him and UofA this one season. Butler feels like he's kind of hanging us out to dry a little. Could've and should've put his name in the portal weeks ago. Then his dad's comments sound bitter and negative ... essentially toward this program. That's disappointing on several levels ... but maybe the most as when I met Lamont's dad and chatted several times, he is a man of faith and wears it strongly in every sentence he speaks. This feels the opposite of that. That is probably personality the most disappointing to me ... not that anyone cares what I think. Feels crappy cause he valued a quick payday over a lasting legacy. $200k last year here is nothing to sniff at and it would’ve been more this year with the increased MESA funding. It’d be like if Gwynn left the Padres for the last 5 years of his career for a bigger contract with the Yankees. Just wouldn’t feel right. Had he stayed he probably gets his jersey in the rafters someday after 5 years in the program, multiple postseason runs and the biggest moment in program history. Now, I don’t think that ever happens. Hope it’s worth it for him. |
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Post by heuschele on Apr 24, 2024 23:07:24 GMT -8
I value Butler’s defense, but in general defense is under appreciated. His Offense regressed and was at best alright.
At SDSU he made ~$200k. He had the shot. He had an ncaa finals game. He had 4 years of Aztec play. We looked past his offensive roes.
He has over estimated his value. Last year and this year entering the draft. I know no one that gives him a good chance to play in the nba. I suspect he is overestimating how much he can make at another university. One year versus what would have been 5 years. A fan base that largely appreciates defense. The shot. I will not be surprised if his compensation does not exceed what he would have made if he stayed at SDSU.
I wish butler had entered the portal earlier. I suspect he over estimated his value and believed there would be some interest by the nba. When he quickly determine there was no interest there, he pivoted and entered the portal. It is unfortunate.
I will no go as far as to say it tarnishes his sdsu legacy, but a 5th year would have enhanced it further.
I wish him well but wish he had chosen to stay for his 5th year.
Go Aztecs
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Post by docmm on Apr 25, 2024 3:09:58 GMT -8
New quotes in Zeigler’s article make it clear this was a decision solely based on money. Also sounded like his dad was sort of bitter that their family sacrificed financially last year for Butler to stay here. He traded a couple hundred thousand difference in pay for a year for his lasting legacy in SD. We all saw how fans turned on Keshad, it’s gonna happen for Butler too. Sucks all around. Butler is worse IMO. Keshad put his name in the portal immediately and committed to UofA. We all know Keshad's family struggled financially, the tragic situation with his brother. I was sad to see him go but happy for him and thought he handled it perfectly ... it was classy. I had no issue rooting hard for him and UofA this one season. Butler feels like he's kind of hanging us out to dry a little. Could've and should've put his name in the portal weeks ago. Then his dad's comments sound bitter and negative ... essentially toward this program. That's disappointing on several levels ... but maybe the most as when I met Lamont's dad and chatted several times, he is a man of faith and wears it strongly in every sentence he speaks. This feels the opposite of that. That is probably personality the most disappointing to me ... not that anyone cares what I think. I've also spoked with Lamont's parents at length a couple times. The first time was at Snapdragon when we all honored the Final Four team. They were excited, gracious and extremely supportive about everything in the program. The second time was this season on February 18th when Mesa NIL contributors were invited to practice and interact afterwards with players a bit. Lamont had had a pretty good game two nights before when we beat New Mexico at home. I spoke with his parents and asked about Keshad because they were so close to him. They kept saying he left "because of the system", not the money. And that it hadn't been good for his game. And it was obvious they felt the same about the system for Lamont. But his dad also kept saying he promised himself he wouldn't say anything negative about the program even though he kept doing so. I felt bad for them because they were just parents who wanted what was best for their son as they saw it. I really liked them as people and seeing as I wasn't a fan of our offensive "system" either, I agreed. But then I watched Lamont closely after that encounter and in the next five games it wasn't the system. He shot 13-41 from the field, including 3-16 from 3. And he never got to the foul line once in the next four games. He was always good on defense but had some really bad or inconsistent games on offense. I got reamed on this board because two months ago I had the audacity to suggest maybe it was time for him to go somewhere else to make some money and restart his game at a new place. I thought the hangover affect from "the shot" was real. He's a great kid and his parents are great people but I still think we might be better off with a new look at that position next year. I never thought he was coming back for next season and was already ok with that but I hate that it didn't happen a lot sooner. I have zero problem with him taking bigger money but his timing was lousy and kind of selfish. I hope for the whole family's sake, it turns out ok but let's move on to a new Aztec. |
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Post by longtimesdsufan on Apr 25, 2024 4:31:04 GMT -8
The "system" has nothing to do with Lamont's biggest problem. His FT shooting percentage is too low. Where ever he goes, he has to fix it on his own.
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Post by hoobs on Apr 25, 2024 5:05:27 GMT -8
Butler is worse IMO. Keshad put his name in the portal immediately and committed to UofA. We all know Keshad's family struggled financially, the tragic situation with his brother. I was sad to see him go but happy for him and thought he handled it perfectly ... it was classy. I had no issue rooting hard for him and UofA this one season. Butler feels like he's kind of hanging us out to dry a little. Could've and should've put his name in the portal weeks ago. Then his dad's comments sound bitter and negative ... essentially toward this program. That's disappointing on several levels ... but maybe the most as when I met Lamont's dad and chatted several times, he is a man of faith and wears it strongly in every sentence he speaks. This feels the opposite of that. That is probably personality the most disappointing to me ... not that anyone cares what I think. I've also spoked with Lamont's parents at length a couple times. The first time was at Snapdragon when we all honored the Final Four team. They were excited, gracious and extremely supportive about everything in the program. The second time was this season on February 18th when Mesa NIL contributors were invited to practice and interact afterwards with players a bit. Lamont had had a pretty good game two nights before when we beat New Mexico at home. I spoke with his parents and asked about Keshad because they were so close to him. They kept saying he left "because of the system", not the money. And that it hadn't been good for his game. And it was obvious they felt the same about the system for Lamont. But his dad also kept saying he promised himself he wouldn't say anything negative about the program even though he kept doing so. I felt bad for them because they were just parents who wanted what was best for their son as they saw it. I really liked them as people and seeing as I wasn't a fan of our offensive "system" either, I agreed. But then I watched Lamont closely after that encounter and in the next five games it wasn't the system. He shot 13-41 from the field, including 3-16 from 3. And he never got to the foul line once in the next four games. He was always good on defense but had some really bad or inconsistent games on offense. I got reamed on this board because two months ago I had the audacity to suggest maybe it was time for him to go somewhere else to make some money and restart his game at a new place. I thought the hangover affect from "the shot" was real. He's a great kid and his parents are great people but I still think we might be better off with a new look at that position next year. I never thought he was coming back for next season and was already ok with that but I hate that it didn't happen a lot sooner. I have zero problem with him taking bigger money but his timing was lousy and kind of selfish. I hope for the whole family's sake, it turns out ok but let's move on to a new Aztec. I'm probably one of those people who reamed you over posts about Butler. While I think your comments might have gone a little too far, I will admit (& apologize) that my own sentiment to probably 'defend' him was more driven by emotion rather than logic. While he improved towards the end of the season (albeit still plagued by some inconsistency), it's inescapably true that Butler's offense certainly regressed. And something I have said before, in agreement with your observations, is that I don't buy the blame on the 'offensive system'. 59.4% free throw shooting, and I'm pretty sure it was under 50% in the first half of the season, can't be blamed on 'the system' or anything else. So *something* was going on with Butler that had nothing to do with the team, the coaching, etc. And frankly his "5" Instagram post/video now feels very disingenuous. All that said, I still wanted Butler to come back for his 5th year. But I agree with Dutcher's sentiment... you put your name in the portal, IMO you've left the team. Maybe I'm expressing that in a stronger fashion that Dutch would, but that's how I feel. I'll always appreciate Butler's contributions as an Aztec, and cherish experiencing "The Shot" in person in Houston. But he will quickly become irrelevant in my mind, just like Johnson after he left to UofA. Next man up, let's get a great 3-level scorer who plays strong defense at the 2/3. |
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Post by bobcooper84 on Apr 25, 2024 5:20:01 GMT -8
Rooted like hell for him while he was an Aztec! Do I blame any of these businessmen/athletes for taking the money?  ? NO! Now that he has chosen a " greener " pasture - I say screw him.... Bye, bye Butler! |
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Post by 84aztec96 on Apr 25, 2024 5:44:16 GMT -8
Don't take it personal everyone. College basketball IS a big business, with BIG money being made. Lamont leaving sucks, but it was just a business decision. If someone offered you a lot more money for your job, you would likely change too. What I don't like about NIL is that the college doesn't directly pay the athlete, but makes big money off of him.
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Post by mc08066 on Apr 25, 2024 6:04:20 GMT -8
I am as big of a Butler fan that is on here. I am also realistic in saying his senior season was a disappointment offensively. There is no way this kid should be below 70% on FT and he was down around 60% most of the year. He should have had a X type of senior year and did not. I still believe he has the ability to become a good offensive player although something in his mindset will need to change especially after this past season. I hate to say this although understand it. A new system might help him offensively and the NIL is insurance if it is does not.. Now if he goes to a new system and the results are the same he will have no one to blame but himself. I truly wish him the best and still believe that at point guard we are okay. Now at the 5, we are not and we absolutely need someone to take 20 minutes a game in the post. Second need is now for a sniper SF or SG who shoots the three.
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Post by Trujillos & Beer on Apr 25, 2024 6:05:19 GMT -8
After he watched Parrish get 400K can you blame Butler for entering the portal? This is his best chance to make some money for a sport he's played his entire life. I hope he gets paid.
Between realignment, NIL and the portal I really just don't care much about college athletics anymore. I was already down to only watching as SDSU football and basketball. At this rate I may lose interest in those as well.
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Post by laaztec on Apr 25, 2024 6:12:02 GMT -8
Butler is worse IMO. Keshad put his name in the portal immediately and committed to UofA. We all know Keshad's family struggled financially, the tragic situation with his brother. I was sad to see him go but happy for him and thought he handled it perfectly ... it was classy. I had no issue rooting hard for him and UofA this one season. Butler feels like he's kind of hanging us out to dry a little. Could've and should've put his name in the portal weeks ago. Then his dad's comments sound bitter and negative ... essentially toward this program. That's disappointing on several levels ... but maybe the most as when I met Lamont's dad and chatted several times, he is a man of faith and wears it strongly in every sentence he speaks. This feels the opposite of that. That is probably personality the most disappointing to me ... not that anyone cares what I think. Feels crappy cause he valued a quick payday over a lasting legacy. $200k last year here is nothing to sniff at and it would’ve been more this year with the increased MESA funding. It’d be like if Gwynn left the Padres for the last 5 years of his career for a bigger contract with the Yankees. Just wouldn’t feel right. Had he stayed he probably gets his jersey in the rafters someday after 5 years in the program, multiple postseason runs and the biggest moment in program history. Now, I don’t think that ever happens. Hope it’s worth it for him. Agree. He passed on a lifetime legacy for short term cash. |
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Apr 25, 2024 6:13:25 GMT -8
After he watched Parrish get 400K can you blame Butler for entering the portal? This is his best chance to make some money for a sport he's played his entire life. I hope he gets paid. Between realignment, NIL and the portal I really just don't care much about college athletics anymore. I was already down to only watching as SDSU football and basketball. At this rate I may lose interest in those as well. Same. I'm quickly losing interest, even in the Aztecs |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Apr 25, 2024 6:13:46 GMT -8
Don't take it personal everyone. College basketball IS a big business, with BIG money being made. Lamont leaving sucks, but it was just a business decision. If someone offered you a lot more money for your job, you would likely change too. What I don't like about NIL is that the college doesn't directly pay the athlete, but makes big money off of him. I guess it depends on the sport. Based on the numbers, Football and Basketball earn big money but the other sports lose money. If State or any other university wants to profit share, they will need to create the profit. That is only accomplished by eliminating administrators and eliminating sports that don't breakeven. I am not saying it is wrong or right, just the logical conclusion. Over time, we will see Universities trim the men's sports they sponsor to Football and Basketball and then sponsor W basketball and just enough women sports to comply with title IX. |
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Post by I Enjoy Aztecs Basketball on Apr 25, 2024 6:18:16 GMT -8
The "system" has nothing to do with Lamont's biggest problem. His FT shooting percentage is too low. Where ever he goes, he has to fix it on his own. Two things can be true. His strengths are that he's a fantastic defender and that he is a good finisher either on his own or via drop-off when he gets downhill. If he could get downhill more often because he had more floor spacers, he'd be better offensively. Kinda reminds me of Russ on the Lakers. He needs to improve his shooting AND our offensive system doesn't hide his deficits extremely well. |
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