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Post by sdsu2000 on Apr 25, 2024 6:18:25 GMT -8
You can’t be mad at a kid chasing money. Coaches do it all the time. Truth is that he’s not an NBA player. He’s going overseas for his pro career. Why not make some big money in the US and help your family out before running around Europe for the next decade.
Not to be harsh but if you take away “the shot” I’m not sure he ranks in the Top 10 point guards at SDSU. There was a stretch this season where he struggled so bad bringing the ball up against the press that Dutcher would bring Trammell in to the game to replace Butler. Did a great thing at SDSU, great defensive player and had a solid career so good for him to move on and make some money.
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Post by I Enjoy Aztecs Basketball on Apr 25, 2024 6:29:20 GMT -8
Boyd Byrd Waters Saunders Heide / Portal The top four can all at least theoretically shoot (lowest FT% of the four last year was Boyd's 84.2%). We could really use a Josh Davis type player to gets some boards and keep teams honest inside. It's not a terrible core and our roster is not set. |
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Post by lemkotir on Apr 25, 2024 6:29:30 GMT -8
Totally ruining college sports, IMO. Ruining it for non power schools like us. The big boys like it just fine, because they are the haves. It's NCAA communism, all the riches in the hands of the elite, the rest stand in line waiting ... hoping to get some government cheese At the risk of bringing politics (not really) into this conversation, I would argue College Sports has gone the way of "Socialism" to "Capitalism", the facts are: - Conferences (e.g. SEC/B10) want ever bigger slice of the money pie, as they bring eyeballs, brands, and advertising dollars -- why share with MWC/CUSA peons
- Schools (e.g. USC/Texas) want ever bigger slice of the money pie, as they are more valued -- why share money with the likes of WSU/OSU bottom dwellers
- Players (e.g. Butler/Keshad) want bigger slice of the money bag --- why get equal pay vs. our non-contributing bench players
Is it a better system? Not sure.
It's all perspectives. We want are self-interested and "greedy", and our fair slice when others are not pulling their own weight. Look how we "talk down" on MWC schools like San Jose State, where they get equal money distribution from media rights and playoff money, while putting NOTHING back in the collective common wealth.
Maybe some of you are older, but I am a firm believer is chase after you own interest. SDSU is only loyal to players as long as they serve SDSU beneficial interest, and why should it be any different from the other side of the table, the player's POV.
Look at the dynamics of Employer and Employee these days.
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Post by bobcooper84 on Apr 25, 2024 6:34:41 GMT -8
Don't take it personal everyone. College basketball IS a big business, with BIG money being made. Lamont leaving sucks, but it was just a business decision. If someone offered you a lot more money for your job, you would likely change too. What I don't like about NIL is that the college doesn't directly pay the athlete, but makes big money off of him. In sports jargon and many would argue in life, " not taking it personally " is the attitude for a loser! Butler Inc. is stating SDSU does not provide the economic opportunity to warrant his services. (which he has every right to do) In other words, SDSU is not good enough! Personally, I won't lose any sleep with his expatriation - just as I didn't with Keshad.... Is the world coming to an end with the exit of Lamont? Of course not! However, I do hope Dutch and staff take it personally otherwise what's the point?  ? Just to be a minor league feeder school for the blue bloods? |
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Post by lemkotir on Apr 25, 2024 6:38:27 GMT -8
Ruining it for non power schools like us. The big boys like it just fine, because they are the haves. It's NCAA communism, all the riches in the hands of the elite, the rest stand in line waiting ... hoping to get some government cheese At the risk of bringing politics (not really) into this conversation, I would argue College Sports has gone the way of "Socialism" to "Capitalism", the facts are: - Conferences (e.g. SEC/B10) want ever bigger slice of the money pie, as they bring eyeballs, brands, and advertising dollars -- why share with MWC/CUSA peons
- Schools (e.g. USC/Texas) want ever bigger slice of the money pie, as they are more valued -- why share money with the likes of WSU/OSU bottom dwellers
- Players (e.g. Butler/Keshad) want bigger slice of the money bag --- why get equal pay vs. our non-contributing bench players
Is it a better system? Not sure.
It's all perspectives. We want are self-interested and "greedy", and our fair slice when others are not pulling their own weight. Look how we "talk down" on MWC schools like San Jose State, where they get equal money distribution from media rights and playoff money, while putting NOTHING back in the collective common wealth.
Maybe some of you are older, but I am a firm believer is chase after you own interest. SDSU is only loyal to players as long as they serve SDSU beneficial interest, and why should it be any different from the other side of the table, the player's POV.
Look at the dynamics of Employer and Employee these days.
On the flip side, most "common wealth" social structure system has it's own problems, look at the below examples, put yourself in the perspective of the below hypothetical scenarios. 1. Imagine paying extra $5000/year in property taxes into a system that funds public schools, which you don't get anything out of it, be it you have adult children or no kids 2. Imagine paying $500 monthly HOA fees for amenities you don't use or care for (swimming pool... tennis courts...) SDSU just has to calibrate and adjust to the new dynamic, until something new comes up, as Dutcher said it in on 760AM interview on NIL and Transfer Portal, from couple weeks ago with John and Jim. Butler has done a lot of this program. He 10000% deserves the right, in my opinion, to do what's in his best interest |
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Post by aztec86 on Apr 25, 2024 6:40:09 GMT -8
I am tickled to see Davis get his chance to show why he was brought here. The little I have seen has certainly whet my appetite to see more.
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Post by lemkotir on Apr 25, 2024 6:41:43 GMT -8
Don't take it personal everyone. College basketball IS a big business, with BIG money being made. Lamont leaving sucks, but it was just a business decision. If someone offered you a lot more money for your job, you would likely change too. What I don't like about NIL is that the college doesn't directly pay the athlete, but makes big money off of him. In sports jargon and many would argue in life, " not taking it personally " is the attitude for a loser! Butler Inc. is stating SDSU does not provide the economic opportunity to warrant his services. (which he has every right to do) In other words, SDSU is not good enough! Personally, I won't lose any sleep with his expatriation - just as I didn't with Keshad.... Is the world coming to an end with the exit of Lamont? Of course not! However, I do hope Dutch and staff take it personally otherwise what's the point? ? Just to be a minor league feeder school for the blue bloods? That's just reality. SDSU just has to adapt and work the cards at the poker table. The way I see it, for Butler, all things equal, two jobs, option A pays $100,000/year, option B pays $500,000/years, I would argue NOBODY on this forum will take A Maybe his choice of words could be better, but "break-ups" are never easy. haha |
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Post by bobcooper84 on Apr 25, 2024 6:45:12 GMT -8
I am tickled to see Davis get his chance to show why he was brought here. The little I have seen has certainly whet my appetite to see more. Me too! Bring it on! |
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Post by bobcooper84 on Apr 25, 2024 6:50:22 GMT -8
In sports jargon and many would argue in life, " not taking it personally " is the attitude for a loser! Butler Inc. is stating SDSU does not provide the economic opportunity to warrant his services. (which he has every right to do) In other words, SDSU is not good enough! Personally, I won't lose any sleep with his expatriation - just as I didn't with Keshad.... Is the world coming to an end with the exit of Lamont? Of course not! However, I do hope Dutch and staff take it personally otherwise what's the point? ? Just to be a minor league feeder school for the blue bloods? That's just reality. SDSU just has to adapt and work the cards at the poker table. The way I see it, for Butler, all things equal, two jobs, option A pays $100,000/year, option B pays $500,000/years, I would argue NOBODY on this forum will take A Maybe his choice of words could be better, but "break-ups" are never easy. haha I agree! I still want Dutch and co. to take Lamont's or any other contributing players' leaving personally...Hopefully, will fuel and motivate them to be better.... Go Aztecs! |
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Post by hoobs on Apr 25, 2024 6:50:44 GMT -8
The "system" has nothing to do with Lamont's biggest problem. His FT shooting percentage is too low. Where ever he goes, he has to fix it on his own. Two things can be true. His strengths are that he's a fantastic defender and that he is a good finisher either on his own or via drop-off when he gets downhill. If he could get downhill more often because he had more floor spacers, he'd be better offensively. Kinda reminds me of Russ on the Lakers. He needs to improve his shooting AND our offensive system doesn't hide his deficits extremely well. Also, in truth he's not really a PG. Or at a minimum, he is a PG who is *extremely* limited in his ability to bring the ball up the court against a full-court / pressure defense. |
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Post by aztecking on Apr 25, 2024 7:02:39 GMT -8
In sports jargon and many would argue in life, " not taking it personally " is the attitude for a loser! Butler Inc. is stating SDSU does not provide the economic opportunity to warrant his services. (which he has every right to do) In other words, SDSU is not good enough! Personally, I won't lose any sleep with his expatriation - just as I didn't with Keshad.... Is the world coming to an end with the exit of Lamont? Of course not! However, I do hope Dutch and staff take it personally otherwise what's the point? ? Just to be a minor league feeder school for the blue bloods? That's just reality. SDSU just has to adapt and work the cards at the poker table. The way I see it, for Butler, all things equal, two jobs, option A pays $100,000/year, option B pays $500,000/years, I would argue NOBODY on this forum will take A Maybe his choice of words could be better, but "break-ups" are never easy. haha Your analogy is off because your numbers are off badly. He isn’t gonna make 5x somewhere else. He made $200k here last season and with increased MESA funding and NIL deals probably $300k next season. He isn’t gonna get more than $400-500k elsewhere. We just learned from Zeigler (if you read between the lines) that Parrish was promised $400k by Ohio St and later learned it was actually only going to be $200k, after he committed of course. |
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Post by 84aztec96 on Apr 25, 2024 7:10:56 GMT -8
Don't take it personal everyone. College basketball IS a big business, with BIG money being made. Lamont leaving sucks, but it was just a business decision. If someone offered you a lot more money for your job, you would likely change too. What I don't like about NIL is that the college doesn't directly pay the athlete, but makes big money off of him. I guess it depends on the sport. Based on the numbers, Football and Basketball earn big money but the other sports lose money. If State or any other university wants to profit share, they will need to create the profit. That is only accomplished by eliminating administrators and eliminating sports that don't breakeven. I am not saying it is wrong or right, just the logical conclusion. Over time, we will see Universities trim the men's sports they sponsor to Football and Basketball and then sponsor W basketball and just enough women sports to comply with title IX. Yes, something like that. I was just thinking that maybe they should get rid of scholarships all together and hire the athletes like employs with the additional requirement that they are enrolled full time at school. Their pay would be based on the amount of revenue they generate. Some sports would get paid nothing and some sports would get paid a lot. |
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Post by aztecfred on Apr 25, 2024 7:12:31 GMT -8
Breath deep the gathering gloom. Watch lights fade from every room. It's a game that we love to watch and the team will be fine but some fans may not. Gussing this was something you've written, never meaning to send |
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Post by 84aztec96 on Apr 25, 2024 7:16:03 GMT -8
Don't take it personal everyone. College basketball IS a big business, with BIG money being made. Lamont leaving sucks, but it was just a business decision. If someone offered you a lot more money for your job, you would likely change too. What I don't like about NIL is that the college doesn't directly pay the athlete, but makes big money off of him. In sports jargon and many would argue in life, " not taking it personally " is the attitude for a loser! Butler Inc. is stating SDSU does not provide the economic opportunity to warrant his services. (which he has every right to do) In other words, SDSU is not good enough! Personally, I won't lose any sleep with his expatriation - just as I didn't with Keshad.... Is the world coming to an end with the exit of Lamont? Of course not! However, I do hope Dutch and staff take it personally otherwise what's the point? ? Just to be a minor league feeder school for the blue bloods? "SDSU not providing enough economic opportunity to warrant his services" is the TRUTH! Nothing personal, just business. |
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Post by laaztec on Apr 25, 2024 7:17:07 GMT -8
That's just reality. SDSU just has to adapt and work the cards at the poker table. The way I see it, for Butler, all things equal, two jobs, option A pays $100,000/year, option B pays $500,000/years, I would argue NOBODY on this forum will take A Maybe his choice of words could be better, but "break-ups" are never easy. haha Your analogy is off because your numbers are off badly. He isn’t gonna make 5x somewhere else. He made $200k here last season and with increased MESA funding and NIL deals probably $300k next season. He isn’t gonna get more than $400-500k elsewhere. We just learned from Zeigler (if you read between the lines) that Parrish was promised $400k by Ohio St and later learned it was actually only going to be $200k, after he committed of course. Lamont will be trading a life time legacy for around $100,000 more than he would make at SDSU. |
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Post by aztecfred on Apr 25, 2024 7:22:59 GMT -8
Seems his father said, they were leaving money on the table last year, and need to explore the future?? So, if he made $200k +/- last season? And thinks there more to offer out there, then don't let the door hit you in the ass. Don't pretend you're conflicted by family(team), legacy(SDSU) and what's best fit! Just say thanks, goodbye and go for the money. We can all move on.
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Post by bobcooper84 on Apr 25, 2024 7:32:12 GMT -8
In sports jargon and many would argue in life, " not taking it personally " is the attitude for a loser! Butler Inc. is stating SDSU does not provide the economic opportunity to warrant his services. (which he has every right to do) In other words, SDSU is not good enough! Personally, I won't lose any sleep with his expatriation - just as I didn't with Keshad.... Is the world coming to an end with the exit of Lamont? Of course not! However, I do hope Dutch and staff take it personally otherwise what's the point? ? Just to be a minor league feeder school for the blue bloods? "SDSU not providing enough economic opportunity to warrant his services" is the TRUTH! Nothing personal, just business. We're both stating the obvious! Another clear-cut point which we haven't admitted, but I will usher.... His leaving does sting! |
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Post by lemkotir on Apr 25, 2024 7:34:18 GMT -8
That's just reality. SDSU just has to adapt and work the cards at the poker table. The way I see it, for Butler, all things equal, two jobs, option A pays $100,000/year, option B pays $500,000/years, I would argue NOBODY on this forum will take A Maybe his choice of words could be better, but "break-ups" are never easy. haha Your analogy is off because your numbers are off badly. He isn’t gonna make 5x somewhere else. He made $200k here last season and with increased MESA funding and NIL deals probably $300k next season. He isn’t gonna get more than $400-500k elsewhere. We just learned from Zeigler (if you read between the lines) that Parrish was promised $400k by Ohio St and later learned it was actually only going to be $200k, after he committed of course. Fair enough. I think the Butler family has done some "math". I think this is their conclusion: - Make more money elsewhere
- Assume not playing in CA, Avoid state income taxes (let's just say anywhere from 2-10% savings, varying from lower to no state taxes for his new school)
- Be a better fit in a system that compliments his last chance to showcase his offensive game plan or allow him to shoot X shots. Butler already knows what he's getting at SDSU next year, so if there is the perceived possibility, where he can gain in addition to the above 2 bullet items, that's the real motivator, as the first 2 are sure things (cherry on top). Next year is his last and only year left. Make due with what he's got.
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Post by lemkotir on Apr 25, 2024 7:38:42 GMT -8
Your analogy is off because your numbers are off badly. He isn’t gonna make 5x somewhere else. He made $200k here last season and with increased MESA funding and NIL deals probably $300k next season. He isn’t gonna get more than $400-500k elsewhere. We just learned from Zeigler (if you read between the lines) that Parrish was promised $400k by Ohio St and later learned it was actually only going to be $200k, after he committed of course. Fair enough. I think the Butler family has done some "math". I think this is their conclusion: - Make more money elsewhere
- Assume not playing in CA, Avoid state income taxes (let's just say anywhere from 2-10% savings, varying from lower to no state taxes for his new school)
- Be a better fit in a system that compliments his last chance to showcase his offensive game plan or allow him to shoot X shots. Butler already knows what he's getting at SDSU next year, so if there is the perceived possibility, where he can gain in addition to the above 2 bullet items, that's the real motivator, as the first 2 are sure things (cherry on top). Next year is his last and only year left. Make due with what he's got.
I should also say, Keshad was not on any draft boards after he completed his final year at SDSU. Keshad is a consistent mid to late 2nd round pick in mock draft, after this year in Arizona. I am sure Keshad has influenced Butler's decision. Of course, Keshad played pretty well on the Arizona team, and benefitted from exposure playing on a bigger stage and bigger conference PAC-12. Can't take those away from him, but collectively, his case study turned out pretty well for his family and financial life. |
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Post by azteclou on Apr 25, 2024 7:43:49 GMT -8
Gotta admit I’m shocked. Based on what he means to this program and his relationship with the fans and all of his local NIL deals (he made 200k last season) I didn’t think there was any way he’d leave. Man am I naive. Can’t blame him for chasing the big bucks but was an extreme disappointment. Can’t do anything but wish him the best. This does not mean the program will fall off the cliff. Just another adjustment for Dutch.
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? Just to be a minor league feeder school for the blue bloods?
