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Post by Cwag on Apr 24, 2024 19:43:54 GMT -8
Breath deep the gathering gloom. Watch lights fade from every room. It's a game that we love to watch and the team will be fine but some fans may not.
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Post by Cwag on Apr 24, 2024 19:44:46 GMT -8
Gosh, I like Butler and he did make "the shot." But, if he ends up leaving I'm pretty sure we will be alright. He played great defense for us but was't exactly Stephen Curry on offense. Maybe he'll go to FAU |
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Post by Aztecole on Apr 24, 2024 19:44:55 GMT -8
Ziegler just updated the article with quotes from Lamont and his family. Sounds like we can consider him as good as gone.
Wishing him the best.
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Post by aztecking on Apr 24, 2024 19:46:39 GMT -8
Oof. That’s definitely not a tournament team. Will we see what magic Dutch can pull off. Those are just the ones who got significant playing time last year. Now add: BJ Davis Goon Pharoah Compton Taj DeGourville Thokbor Majak And then we still have 2 scholarships available, three if Johnson transfers. I highly doubt any of those guys except Magoon plays any significant role next season. |
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Post by Den60 on Apr 24, 2024 19:53:06 GMT -8
College sports is quickly being ruined for me with NIL. This sucks Totally ruining college sports, IMO. Yep. And it will destroy that which made money for them as well. I don't watch the NBA and no longer watch the NFL. I am starting not to even watch Golf because of what LIV is doing to the sport. The thing is, "professional" sports have tendencies towards socialism. But, we are seeing unbridled free market capitalism now in collegiate sports. People will quickly lose interest in that. Reading Ziegler's article, Butler's decision is all about money. He made $200K last year in NIL and he and his family feel they left money on the table. Damn, I wish I made that much, even adjusted for inflation, when I was his age. |
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Post by aztecforlife2006 on Apr 24, 2024 19:53:28 GMT -8
Because of Dutcher’s own words. You enter the portal he considers you gone. Guess you didn’t read Ziegler’s article. His dad basically said he’s gone…the quote about them “leaving money on the table to return” sounded real bitter. |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Apr 24, 2024 19:56:44 GMT -8
I don’t mind Butler entering the portal but it’s off putting to read that they sacrificed last year and if things don’t work out with more NIL somewhere else they will come back to State.
If this is just business, then the best business decision would be to move on from State’s perspective.
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Post by smoketree on Apr 24, 2024 19:57:23 GMT -8
College sports is quickly being ruined for me with NIL. This sucks Totally ruining college sports, IMO. I agree 100%. Many of us here spend a lot of our hard earned money on season tickets and now MESA FOUNDATION. We are so loyal to our players and unfortunately it isn't the same with them. Would I do the same if I'm in their shoes, quite possibly, but it really hurts. The volunteers that run MESA are dedicated and I commend them but I am greatly disappointed in our fan base and major corporations with Aztecs in ownership positions that are NOT stepping up with donations to keep these players here. We have just as many wealthy alums as other universities but I just don't see it happening. This totally sucks. |
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Post by aztecking on Apr 24, 2024 19:57:45 GMT -8
New quotes in Zeigler’s article make it clear this was a decision solely based on money. Also sounded like his dad was sort of bitter that their family sacrificed financially last year for Butler to stay here. He traded a couple hundred thousand difference in pay for a year for his lasting legacy in SD. We all saw how fans turned on Keshad, it’s gonna happen for Butler too. Sucks all around.
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Post by aztecking on Apr 24, 2024 19:59:34 GMT -8
I don’t mind Butler entering the portal but it’s off putting to read that they sacrificed last year and if things don’t work out with more NIL somewhere else they will come back to State. If this is just business, then the best business decision would be to move on from State’s perspective. Agree. Why would Dutch even want him back when his family is making it clear he only returns if he doesn’t get paid enough elsewhere. That’s a real bad look by his family. You can think that, but it’s stupid to say it publicly. |
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Post by survalli on Apr 24, 2024 20:00:15 GMT -8
if this is going to be a professional sport we need need to get an ownership group going.
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Post by laaztec on Apr 24, 2024 20:00:20 GMT -8
New quotes in Zeigler’s article make it clear this was a decision solely based on money. Also sounded like his dad was sort of bitter that their family sacrificed financially last year for Butler to stay here. He traded a couple hundred thousand difference in pay for a year for his lasting legacy in SD. We all saw how fans turned on Keshad, it’s gonna happen for Butler too. Sucks all around. Tarnishes their legacies. |
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Post by survalli on Apr 24, 2024 20:05:34 GMT -8
New quotes in Zeigler’s article make it clear this was a decision solely based on money. Also sounded like his dad was sort of bitter that their family sacrificed financially last year for Butler to stay here. He traded a couple hundred thousand difference in pay for a year for his lasting legacy in SD. We all saw how fans turned on Keshad, it’s gonna happen for Butler too. Sucks all around. Tarnishes their legacies. how so? Butler probably wont play in the NBA unless he dramatically improves his game. he did enough here, so did KJ. let them get their monies before they have to go play overseas. why deny them what everyone else is getting? not their fault our fan base wont pay. |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Apr 24, 2024 20:07:53 GMT -8
Guess you didn’t read Ziegler’s article. His dad basically said he’s gone…the quote about them “leaving money on the table to return” sounded real bitter. Agreed, which is why it’s best for State that he does not return. |
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Post by laaztec on Apr 24, 2024 20:16:33 GMT -8
Tarnishes their legacies. how so? Butler probably wont play in the NBA unless he dramatically improves his game. he did enough here, so did KJ. let them get their monies before they have to go play overseas. why deny them what everyone else is getting? not their fault our fan base wont pay. Because they went for the cash instead of finishing out their careers as Aztecs. I’m sure Washington State fans weren’t rooting for Thames and Flynn when they came to SDSU. Or Ohio State and TCU fans aren’t excited for LeDee’s success. I know they are doing what they think is best for their situation but watching Lamont in another school’s jersey is hard to swallow. It wasn’t like he was making zero dollars. He made $200,000 last year. If Lamont would have stayed he might have had his jersey retired but not now. He could have had a lifetime of adulation from San Diego and been in the Faulk, Leonard category but He just traded that possibility in for cash. When their playing days are over do you think Johnson and Butler will able to sit court side at Viejas knowing that they finished their college careers at other schools? Transferring doesn’t destroy their legacies it just puts a tarnish on it. |
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Post by johneaztec on Apr 24, 2024 20:40:36 GMT -8
Next man up!!!
He's capitalizing on his fame from "The Shot" and great defensive play. Announcers gushed in the MM Tourney about his defensive prowess.
He'll get paid, and I can't blame him. It's legal, and he can help his family and himself. "Get it while you can", as the saying goes.
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Post by sdsudevil on Apr 24, 2024 20:41:42 GMT -8
If he is graduating, he should move on. It's what we are told anytime we are thinking of grad school. Him getting another school to show what he is capable of in a new system, while doing what is academically common seems like a no-brainer. He is an AFL, and I wish him all the best, and thank him for what he gave us while he was here.
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Post by missiontrails on Apr 24, 2024 21:15:49 GMT -8
I'm not questioning Butler's character in the least, but I am questioning the reactions from a few of our hissy fitting fans. Let the kid decide what's best for him and his family. We got 4 great years out of Lamont. Hell, I'm so old, I remember when 4 years was all you ever got.  That said, I hate the NIL and the portal too. At least we have a program that can absorb these hits, unlike the San Jose States of the world. |
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Post by AzTex on Apr 24, 2024 21:27:10 GMT -8
College sports is quickly being ruined for me with NIL. This sucks Another 2 ton straw on the camel's back. Getting closer and closer to killing my interest in college sports. I'll always remember "The Shot." But this does take some of the shine off that moment. |
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Post by aztecdan8 on Apr 24, 2024 21:36:11 GMT -8
Brutal with only a week left in the transfer window. Roddie Anderson homecoming if he’s gone gone? I love Lamont. LOVE HIM. Additionally, I've met his his dad and had several conversations that I would describe as having some depth. I wish him nothing but the best ... but ... BUT ... I have an issue why he took so long to decide this and has kind of left Ditcher out to dry a bit. We have passed on some other guards (Dusell, others) that would've fit in pretty well IMO... especially next to Boyd. I think it's possible Boyd can be better than Lamont will next next season. So if we'd known Lamont was going to the portal, could've gone after taller combo guards or a tall 3 & D wing. Still can but many have already gone elsewhere, including to schools that are comparable. Heck, maybe we could've nailed done Cardenas ... him, Boyd and Watwr could've been a heckuva backcourt. Disappointing on several levels. NIL really sucks for us because we've deserved way better than this based on our BB program's success. At times it feels like almost everything in our world gets worse as it is "improved" |
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