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Post by missiontrails on Nov 17, 2023 15:53:50 GMT -8
Nevarez knows she will have lots of exit money, but no worthy schools to bring in. Anybody she invites will be a downgrade and will likely lower their media revenue. So having that cash is just a short term benefit. I doubt she'll stick around. I'm with the folks speculating that she could be the commissioner of the 'new PAC' A reasonable scenario: New PAC takes the coastal MW schools, plus a few more to the east - Boise, CSU, UNLV, Nevada (not sure on AFA). Navarez becomes PAC commissioner. MWC dissolves and the remaining teams go to the AAC. Maybe Cal and Stanford will come back with tails between legs when they realize the ridiculousness of their move? |
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Post by aztecmusician on Nov 19, 2023 1:27:01 GMT -8
This would be horrendous. I’m totally fine with all member MWC institutions being invited. To discard 2 or 3 MWC schools would be very bad form in my opinion, the same selfish snobbish attitude that rules the Big 10/Big 12. No stragglers left behind or discarded pets on the side of the road….which is basically what happened to Oregon St and Washington St. It will be up to the New Mexicos and Hawaiis to pick up their own levels into respectability. If not, every conference has its traditional doormats (Vanderbilt, Indiana, Rice, Wake Forest ect.) ours will be New Mexico. 14 teams, with room to add maybe 2-4 more…..16-18 teams seems about right in this day and age. Right now, the conference is very solid geographically, without any bizarre West Coast teams playing all of their games East of the Mississippi River. Keeps the travel miles under control. |
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Post by chris92065 on Nov 19, 2023 1:42:24 GMT -8
This would be horrendous. I’m totally fine with all member MWC institutions being invited. To discard 2 or 3 MWC schools would be very bad form in my opinion, the same selfish snobbish attitude that rules the Big 10/Big 12. No stragglers left behind or discarded pets on the side of the road….which is basically what happened to Oregon St and Washington St. It will be up to the New Mexicos and Hawaiis to pick up their own levels into respectability. If not, every conference has its traditional doormats (Vanderbilt, Indiana, Rice, Wake Forest ect.) ours will be New Mexico. 14 teams, with room to add maybe 2-4 more…..16-18 teams seems about right in this day and age. Right now, the conference is very solid geographically, without any bizarre West Coast teams playing all of their games East of the Mississippi River. Keeps the travel miles under control. It's about survivability and not nice. Remember the mwc is just as greedy by not letting teams leave without an exit fee. Boise is not being nice by getting more cash than anyone. We have to be strong and trim the fat. We can also poach quality aac schools as well. Schools that play nice will be left with 2 sports: hand ball and racquet ball because they will have no revenue streams. Oregon State and Washington State will do exactly what the networks tell them to do. |
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Post by samurai on Nov 19, 2023 13:44:43 GMT -8
At this point, I've given up on any PAC-BOR conference with select MWC & AAC schools. Too much of the info & smoke seem to be leaning towards a PAC-2/MWC scheduling agreement for 2 years until a full merger. OSU & Wazzu spend the next 2 years getting fat on remaining PAC money before they are forced to wander the G5 wilderness.
I believe the last chance for SDSU will be in a few years with the ACC. After they lose a few schools, They will flesh out their western divsion. The ACC will become the A*PAC (Atlantic-Pacific Athletic Conference)
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Post by zurac315 on Nov 19, 2023 13:55:24 GMT -8
Story below…Oregon State and Washington State are moving forward with a scheduling alliance with the MW whereby each MW school would play one of these two teams each season over the next 2 seasons with results not counting for conference standings and making those schools ineligible for the conference title. After 2 years there is likely going to be a full merger of the PAC-2 and the MW as financial penalties will preclude them from only taking a portion of the MW. Disappointing news in my opinion. I was hoping any merger would shed all the dead weight in this conference. Alas, it seems like we are stuck with them in perpetuity. sports.yahoo.com/oregon-state-washington-state-moving-forward-with-future-plans-after-victory-in-court-134733816.htmlThe dead weight rotates. At times in the past we have been the dead weight. And, yes, we are stuck in the MWC. We are not as desirable as we see ourselves, apparently. |
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Post by zurac315 on Nov 19, 2023 14:00:50 GMT -8
[quote timestamp="1700186487" source="/post/1361087/thread" author=" standiego" They want us just as bad as we want them[/quote] I think I heard something like that not too long ago regarding another conference. |
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Post by laaztec on Nov 19, 2023 14:07:35 GMT -8
Story below…Oregon State and Washington State are moving forward with a scheduling alliance with the MW whereby each MW school would play one of these two teams each season over the next 2 seasons with results not counting for conference standings and making those schools ineligible for the conference title. After 2 years there is likely going to be a full merger of the PAC-2 and the MW as financial penalties will preclude them from only taking a portion of the MW. Disappointing news in my opinion. I was hoping any merger would shed all the dead weight in this conference. Alas, it seems like we are stuck with them in perpetuity. sports.yahoo.com/oregon-state-washington-state-moving-forward-with-future-plans-after-victory-in-court-134733816.htmlThe dead weight rotates. At times in the past we have been the dead weight. And, yes, we are stuck in the MWC. We are not as desirable as we see ourselves, apparently. You need TV markets. Albuquerque, Logan, Reno and Laramie will always be “Dead Weight”. Can’t change your TV market. |
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Post by samurai on Nov 19, 2023 14:07:36 GMT -8
Story below…Oregon State and Washington State are moving forward with a scheduling alliance with the MW whereby each MW school would play one of these two teams each season over the next 2 seasons with results not counting for conference standings and making those schools ineligible for the conference title. After 2 years there is likely going to be a full merger of the PAC-2 and the MW as financial penalties will preclude them from only taking a portion of the MW. Disappointing news in my opinion. I was hoping any merger would shed all the dead weight in this conference. Alas, it seems like we are stuck with them in perpetuity. sports.yahoo.com/oregon-state-washington-state-moving-forward-with-future-plans-after-victory-in-court-134733816.htmlThe dead weight rotates. At times in the past we have been the dead weight. And, yes, we are stuck in the MWC. We are not as desirable as we see ourselves, apparently. Being dead weight is more than just having 1 bad football season. The dead weight are the schools in tiny rural markets with no major history to make up for them being located there. |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Nov 19, 2023 14:18:35 GMT -8
At this point, I've given up on any PAC-BOR conference with select MWC & AAC schools. Too much of the info & smoke seem to be leaning towards a PAC-2/MWC scheduling agreement for 2 years until a full merger. OSU & Wazzu spend the next 2 years getting fat on remaining PAC money before they are forced to wander the G5 wilderness. I believe the last chance for SDSU will be in a few years with the ACC. After they lose a few schools, They will flesh out their western divsion. The ACC will become the A*PAC (Atlantic-Pacific Athletic Conference) Just go PAAC. I have been perplexed by the actions of the PAC and the MW. The MW has two factions, the haves and the have nots. Let's break them down as follows: Haves = AFA, CSU, BSU, Fresno, UNLV, SDSU Have Notes = UNM, Hawaii, SJSU, USU, WYO, Nevada The motivation of the haves is to separate from the have nots and maximize media dollars and monopolize the G5 bid to the playoff. The motivation of the haves is to remain as relevant as possible for as long as possible. It's what netted the Boise Media deal. The P2 motivation, I thought was aligned with the have's, but in reality the motivation appears to be to maximize their cash pots be taking control of the PAC 2 revenue and using that as a competitive advantage over the MW that they will join via a reverse merger. Let's say they take control of the NCAA credits and CFP money at a bare minimum; they will pocket anywhere from 40-60M which if they amortize over 10-year sis an extra 4-6M per annum. In reality, the haves within the MW need to vote down the scheduling alliance. |
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Post by Den60 on Nov 19, 2023 14:38:00 GMT -8
At this point, I've given up on any PAC-BOR conference with select MWC & AAC schools. Too much of the info & smoke seem to be leaning towards a PAC-2/MWC scheduling agreement for 2 years until a full merger. OSU & Wazzu spend the next 2 years getting fat on remaining PAC money before they are forced to wander the G5 wilderness. I believe the last chance for SDSU will be in a few years with the ACC. After they lose a few schools, They will flesh out their western divsion. The ACC will become the A*PAC (Atlantic-Pacific Athletic Conference) Yes, there will be an even bigger realignment before the end of the decade I predict. Hell, I believe the feds are going to get involved, if not just to get there hands on more money. CFB won't be part of the NCAA by 2030 I believe. |
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Post by standiego on Nov 19, 2023 17:06:46 GMT -8
Believe the first thing is to find out about If there will be an appeal by the Departing schools - of course MONEY is the key for all involved
Also thoughts that the PAC 2 at first want only 8 teams
As usual quite important to hear what the TV/ Media Deal might be
It also seems that San Jose area might be getting more involved in their sports teams
TV/ Media of course want Viewers but also might want companies that will buy the adds
San Jose is in a convenient location that might keep transportation costs down
Would guess that the TV / Media groups will suggest what teams might be the best for them also.
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Post by zurac315 on Nov 19, 2023 17:47:56 GMT -8
The dead weight rotates. At times in the past we have been the dead weight. And, yes, we are stuck in the MWC. We are not as desirable as we see ourselves, apparently. Being dead weight is more than just having 1 bad football season. The dead weight are the schools in tiny rural markets with no major history to make up for them being located there. We had inferior football and basketball teams for decades. |
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Post by samurai on Nov 19, 2023 22:20:15 GMT -8
Being dead weight is more than just having 1 bad football season. The dead weight are the schools in tiny rural markets with no major history to make up for them being located there. We had inferior football and basketball teams for decades. Has nothing to do with today since we currently have a decade of winning football and 2 decades of winning basketball. You can't just throw that away because you want to add us to dead weight due to one down year in football. Secondly... Doesn't matter. When the MWC first split off from the WAC-16, the front range wanted SDSU & UNLV. That was back in 1997 when everything you said was actually recent history. We had about 2 years of recent football success before we were invited to the BCS Big East in 2011. We are a special case in college athletics that is very close to breaking our glass ceiling. It might not be today but it will be someday soon. |
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Post by longtimebooster on Nov 20, 2023 6:01:43 GMT -8
We had inferior football and basketball teams for decades. Has nothing to do with today since we currently have a decade of winning football and 2 decades of winning basketball. You can't just throw that away because you want to add us to dead weight due to one down year in football. Secondly... Doesn't matter. When the MWC first split off from the WAC-16, the front range wanted SDSU & UNLV. That was back in 1997 when everything you said was actually recent history. We had about 2 years of recent football success before we were invited to the BCS Big East in 2011. We are a special case in college athletics that is very close to breaking our glass ceiling. It might not be today but it will be someday soon. I was advocating since circa 1995 that the P12 should add SDSU and UNLV and no one else. My logic was that both San Diego and Vegas were world-class destination cities, unlike any of their MGC brethren, and that within a decade or two -- its abysmal football team notwithstanding -- Vegas would emerge as a truly global city with one of the largest populations west of the Rockies, and with world-class sports facilities, teams and tournaments, to boot. I'm no Nostrodamus, but it has all come to pass. I'm convinced had the P12 added SDSU/UNLV as a tandem at any point over the past two decades, the century-old league wouldn't have collapsed like a house of cards this year. |
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Post by waxxon on Nov 20, 2023 7:14:52 GMT -8
Has nothing to do with today since we currently have a decade of winning football and 2 decades of winning basketball. You can't just throw that away because you want to add us to dead weight due to one down year in football. Secondly... Doesn't matter. When the MWC first split off from the WAC-16, the front range wanted SDSU & UNLV. That was back in 1997 when everything you said was actually recent history. We had about 2 years of recent football success before we were invited to the BCS Big East in 2011. We are a special case in college athletics that is very close to breaking our glass ceiling. It might not be today but it will be someday soon. I was advocating since circa 1995 that the P12 should add SDSU and UNLV and no one else. My logic was that both San Diego and Vegas were world-class destination cities, unlike any of their MGC brethren, and that within a decade or two -- its abysmal football team notwithstanding -- Vegas would emerge as a truly global city with one of the largest populations west of the Rockies, and with world-class sports facilities, teams and tournaments, to boot. I'm no Nostrodamus, but it has all come to pass. I'm convinced had the P12 added SDSU/UNLV as a tandem at any point over the past two decades, the century-old league wouldn't have collapsed like a house of cards this year. All good reasons that make complete sense. Not sure the PAC would have survived with the development of super conferences. I thought I read somewhere that because they felt they were top dog, SUC wanted a bigger piece of the pie similar to what Boise did to MW. The conference said no so they decided to shop around and went with the B1G boys. To close the deal it totally made economic sense for both SUC and UCLA to go as a package. It was only a matter of time plus incompetence by PAC management that Oregon, Washington, AZ, et al also had to jump off the dying dog and leave |
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Post by myownwords on Nov 20, 2023 8:20:24 GMT -8
[quote timestamp="1700186487" source="/post/1361087/thread" author=" standiego" They want us just as bad as we want them I think I heard something like that not too long ago regarding another conference. [/quote] Yes, THEY REALLY NEED US....wait...but we still have our hands up in the back of the class, waving. |
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Post by standiego on Nov 21, 2023 11:57:04 GMT -8
For the lawyers here
Has the departing schools filed their Appeal and is there a deadline when they need to file
As for the schools departing for the BIG - think Fox Sports is going to be the lead TV network for the BIG starting next season . So they helped engineer the moves by UCLA / UCLA and then Washington / Oregon .
There is a big fight between Fox ( BIG ) and ESPN ( SEC ) . So the major interest by FOX to improve the BIG - would not doubt if they gave some money or support to the schools legal team that is involved .
OSU/WSU is trying to move forward - not sure how much the money involved in the PAC split affects the PAC 2 for next season and the following years -
So would what kind of money settlement does the PAC 2 need ?
Also what kind of TV/Media Deal be it for a PAC 8 - 10 or 12 ?
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Post by azteccc on Nov 21, 2023 13:03:32 GMT -8
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Nov 21, 2023 13:11:33 GMT -8
We shall see what comes to pass, but why does revenue sharing or added player benefits require a new structure? Why doesn't it work like the current benefits where it is optional. It defies common sense. |
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Post by chris92065 on Nov 21, 2023 13:50:48 GMT -8
Wsu and osu won't be the last to miss the boats. If I am schools like Kansas St, Iowa St, purdye Texas tech and so on… I would be having a 5 year plan ready once they get thrown off the lifeboats. Just because you are in a lifeboat now doesn't mean you can't thrown off down the road. Disney and Fox only want to have a handful of schools to make a Semi pro league. The rest are f****d. |
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