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Post by ramrodd23 on Nov 16, 2023 11:53:05 GMT -8
Many are quick to "drop the dead weight" but you have to realize that someone will always be at the bottom. The fewer teams in the conference, the closer you are to the bottom. It's also nice to not face a really good team every week. Every conference has a team(s) that you wonder how they're still in that conference. It was called UNLV but, now that change in football. That is if they keep Odom long term. |
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Post by junior on Nov 16, 2023 11:57:11 GMT -8
Having now been to both the re-modeled Reser and Martin Stadium -- this is really great news for traveling SDSU fans (assuming it comes to fruition). Both are unique, and both are beautiful in their own way. True college town experiences. Do yourself a favor and go to both, and leave enough time to travel the surrounding area, whether it's the Oregon coast or the Columbia River Gorge, or the thousand places in between. We were there in September. Great time. Great atmosphere. Lousy seats, but oh well. It was a different experience - one that SDSU could strive to emulate because the SDSU game day experience pales (and fails) in comparison. |
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Post by E31-Aztec on Nov 16, 2023 12:52:16 GMT -8
This terrible news. Basically we will just add OSU and WSU. Worst possible outcome for SDSU. I think terrible news would have been scheduling alliance with non-football sports joining as affiliates. Would basically tell a merger is underway. Seems as of now the PAC-2 want to use their two years of conference eligibility to feel out what assets/liabilities are while keeping PAC brand while finding schools to play in bulk. If you're somebody who wants SDSU in any PAC related conference things are progressing... it seems. Technically terrible in that we don't automatically join the Pac-XX. But, this is still a bit too early to tell. The article really just states that OSU/WSU are making sure they have FBS games scheduled for the next two years since they no longer have conference mates: That paragraph from the article pretty much sums it up. Smart move for OSU/WSU as they are basically independent but are doing what they can to continue to remain FBS relevant. Again, its too early to tell. I would root for OSU/WSU to win their appeals against the exiting schools and begin poaching from the Big 12 and MWC. And if you think I'm looking at our former WAC allies, you're damn right. It would be a hilarious scenario if OSU/WSU were to cherry pick their schedule from the potential Pac-XX bound schools and the best two records against get an auto-bid to join. And in unironic San Diego sports fashion, we rebuild our football team during this time and lose every game. |
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Post by sdcoug on Nov 16, 2023 13:08:33 GMT -8
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Post by Boise Aztec on Nov 16, 2023 14:21:44 GMT -8
Having now been to both the re-modeled Reser and Martin Stadium -- this is really great news for traveling SDSU fans (assuming it comes to fruition). Both are unique, and both are beautiful in their own way. True college town experiences. Do yourself a favor and go to both, and leave enough time to travel the surrounding area, whether it's the Oregon coast or the Columbia River Gorge, or the thousand places in between. We were there in September. Great time. Great atmosphere. Lousy seats, but oh well. It was a different experience - one that SDSU could strive to emulate because the SDSU game day experience pales (and fails) in comparison. Don’t you think that after several years of the river park in place, which opens next year for tailgating, SDSU cultivate its own “unique” experience |
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Post by zbt69 on Nov 16, 2023 14:41:04 GMT -8
We were there in September. Great time. Great atmosphere. Lousy seats, but oh well. It was a different experience - one that SDSU could strive to emulate because the SDSU game day experience pales (and fails) in comparison. Don’t you think that after several years of the river park in place, which opens next year for tailgating, SDSU cultivate its own “unique” experience |
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Post by standiego on Nov 16, 2023 14:42:32 GMT -8
you are correct OSU/WSU has to do what it needs to do to survive and then flourish as a revitalized PAC - no matter what number
They have done the legal things that matter so far and will continue to handle their situation as they await the Appeal case or if they choose to settle up to them
They have to schedule is it 12 games for next year and possibly the following year be it with MW teams or whomever
In addition as mentioned SDSU has a lot to handle on its plate -
JD has to hire a New HC -
SDSU has to further develop the area to add to the environment so it is an even better environment for fans - just being a new facility is not enough make it an even better addition to the PAC if that happens -
HC has a lot to do when hired - a new staff - can the HC bring in a quality staff can they keep the quality players it has or do they bail - complete the rest of the staff
Quite important Recruiting both HS players and the Transfer Portal -
Would also add JD has to make realistic price structure for tickets - help the fans and even players who prefer to play in front of a decent crowd
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Post by Boise Aztec on Nov 16, 2023 14:46:04 GMT -8
Exactly what I had heard… very unlikely the new P8/10 includes more than six MWC schools… |
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Post by standiego on Nov 16, 2023 15:09:24 GMT -8
Would guess that OSU /WSU is already talking with TV/Media groups to see what kind of packages might be available and who the TV/Media think are viable schools that should be asked to join and of course the money involved
So WSU/OSU will make those decisions
SDSU with JD now looking for the best HC and staff that can turn around the program and quickly to make it look as solid of an addition as possible
YES - what the media want are schools with VIEWERS and possibly businesses that would buy ads for the games
might be nice to have a decent amount of fans in the stands - ticket prices do they match up with the product on the field
HC and staff - they had better know how to get solid results out of the Transfer Portal - can they sell good player to come to SDSU
JD has to do what is needed to earn back fans
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Post by azteccc on Nov 16, 2023 15:16:50 GMT -8
Story below…Oregon State and Washington State are moving forward with a scheduling alliance with the MW whereby each MW school would play one of these two teams each season over the next 2 seasons with results not counting for conference standings and making those schools ineligible for the conference title. After 2 years there is likely going to be a full merger of the PAC-2 and the MW as financial penalties will preclude them from only taking a portion of the MW. Disappointing news in my opinion. I was hoping any merger would shed all the dead weight in this conference. Alas, it seems like we are stuck with them in perpetuity. sports.yahoo.com/oregon-state-washington-state-moving-forward-with-future-plans-after-victory-in-court-134733816.htmlI really hope you are right, but I can see this alliance only benefitting Oregon State and Washington State. For two years, as the Pac 2, OSU and WSU will enjoy all the money left over from the Pac 12 which is a lot. The MWC teams will see little if any of that money. OSU and WSU will use that money to strengthen their athletic programs to make them more attractive to the P4 or P3 conferences. In the meantime, the MWC teams will struggle with the breadcrumbs we get. In two years, instead of inviting MWC teams to join the PAC, OSU and WSU will get invites to join the Big 12 because they have been able to take advantage of the financial war chest left over from the Pac 12 to strengthen their athletic programs. Like I said, I really hope you are right and that I am being concerned about nothing. However, I can see where the scenario mentioned above pans out and the alliance we are about to enter into only benefits OSU and WSU. Sorry, but I don't trust anyone from any of the power conferences....never have...never will. We (the MWC, but especially the top of the MWC) are giving away a substantial amount of leverage that we'll never get back, likely for peanuts. |
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Post by laaztec on Nov 16, 2023 15:35:36 GMT -8
Exactly what I had heard… very unlikely the new P8/10 includes more than six MEC schools… Please let this be true. I can’t stand the MWC anymore. |
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Post by standiego on Nov 16, 2023 17:45:16 GMT -8
OSU and WSU have all the leverage - they took the situation as the PAC members - SDSU was Not actually invited to the PAC 12
so you follow their lead or tell them you prefer to stay with MW -
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Nov 16, 2023 17:53:01 GMT -8
OSU and WSU have all the leverage - they took the situation as the PAC members - SDSU was Not actually invited to the PAC 12 so you follow their lead or tell them you prefer to stay with MW - They definitely don't have all of the leverage. They can't just stay as a 2 team conference so they need the MWC teams to join them. They have no other options. I doubt the Big12 would want them I'd say we even have more leverage since we're actually currently in a conference |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Nov 16, 2023 17:59:02 GMT -8
Exactly what I had heard… very unlikely the new P8/10 includes more than six MWC schools… It makes the most sense, you don't bring on members that dilute the pie. The long-term impact of taking 14 and having an average payout drop for illustrative purposes from $9M to $6M is insane. You would pay the buyouts of $17M or less, because in just 3-5 years you break even and make more long-term money. Hence, you bring on enough members to solidify the conference and no more unless they increase the pie. This isn't rocket science. |
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Post by standiego on Nov 16, 2023 18:01:27 GMT -8
OSU/WSU are going to select 6 additional schools as they are the ones with PAC status - they can choose other schools
So maybe you strive to be one of the 6
Do you want to join them or hold out for what MW or AAC or ?
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Nov 16, 2023 18:03:22 GMT -8
OSU/WSU are going to select 6 additional schools as they are the ones with PAC status - they can choose other schools So maybe you strive to be one of the 6 Do you want to join them or hold out for what MW or AAC or ? Yeah and SDSU is one of their very top options to choose from. They want us just as bad as we want them If I was doing the negotiating for SDSU I certainly wouldn't be coming from a place of desperation. I wouldn't be playing hardball either though. It's good for both sides so it should be easy |
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Post by laaztec on Nov 16, 2023 18:27:05 GMT -8
This would be horrendous.
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Post by docmm on Nov 16, 2023 18:45:25 GMT -8
Give me a PAC 10 without Hawaii, New Mexico, Wyoming and Utah State.
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Post by laaztec on Nov 16, 2023 19:08:02 GMT -8
Give me a PAC 10 without Hawaii, New Mexico, Wyoming and Utah State. And San Jose and Nevada |
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Post by docmm on Nov 16, 2023 19:09:44 GMT -8
You're right, the minimum # for a conference is only 8, I'd be thrilled with that.
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