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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on Aug 8, 2023 14:52:56 GMT -8
SDSU will play there this year and then every other during conference play for the next decade or so. Just need to determine which conference that will be |
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Post by laaztec on Aug 9, 2023 6:58:12 GMT -8
SDSU will play there this year and then every other during conference play for the next decade or so. Just need to determine which conference that will be Mountain West. |
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Post by sdsu2000 on Aug 9, 2023 7:09:40 GMT -8
We just need Stanford and Cal to join the ACC before anything else happens. That could open the door for Florida State, Clemson, UNC, Virginia and others to leave for the B1G, SEC and in some cases the Big 12.
Oregon State and Washington State are running out of time. Mostly because they need to start scheduling non conference games for next year.
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Post by MontezumaPhil on Aug 9, 2023 7:13:10 GMT -8
Made my Corvallis travel arrangements months ago in anticipation that the weekend would be a celebration of our new status as co-members in the Pac-12. Now it will be a wake.
Honestly wish I could get out of it.
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Post by laaztec on Aug 9, 2023 7:14:22 GMT -8
We just need Stanford and Cal to join the ACC before anything else happens. That could open the door for Florida State, Clemson, UNC, Virginia and others to leave for the B1G, SEC and in some cases the Big 12. Oregon State and Washington State are running out of time. Mostly because they need to start scheduling non conference games for next year. Cal and Stanford want nothing to do with us. Oregon State and Washington State will have no choice but to join our garbage heap. I am sure they are looking forward to the trips to Laramie and Logan. Super fun. |
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Post by LostAztec on Aug 9, 2023 7:26:27 GMT -8
There's no way that Stanford and Cal want SJSU in their conference competing for viewers/recruits in the same area. New Mexico is a perennial drag on the conference in football, as is Hawaii. AFA is strong and brings respectability, so you can't leave them out. If the MW "leavers" need 9 votes to get out of the exit fees... you can add AFA but still have to include 2 of 3 between those - SJSU, NM, Hawaii. So pick 1 to drop, but you have to keep the other 2. Or... figure out a way for 5-6 schools to exit without having to pay $15-20m to depart in 11 months. I'm thinking the Pac Leftovers could wait an extra year for the Best of the Rest G5's to get out of their current Conferences. For 2024, I am certain those Schools would readily drop their FCs games for a game against their new Conference mates. It's workable in B-ball and FB. The other Olys would be trickier to schedule. |
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Post by LostAztec on Aug 9, 2023 7:34:58 GMT -8
We just need Stanford and Cal to join the ACC before anything else happens. That could open the door for Florida State, Clemson, UNC, Virginia and others to leave for the B1G, SEC and in some cases the Big 12. Oregon State and Washington State are running out of time. Mostly because they need to start scheduling non conference games for next year. Cal and Stanford want nothing to do with us. Oregon State and Washington State will have no choice but to join our garbage heap. I am sure they are looking forward to the trips to Laramie and Logan. Super fun. I have seen a sampling of posts from the OSU and Wazzu Boards. They are not happy about being in a Conference with Boise. Corvallis and Pullman are in the same League with Laramie and Logan. All four require a long bus ride from the nearest major airport. The faux self induced superiority of the Pac Leftovers is hilarious. |
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Post by laaztec on Aug 9, 2023 7:47:01 GMT -8
Cal and Stanford want nothing to do with us. Oregon State and Washington State will have no choice but to join our garbage heap. I am sure they are looking forward to the trips to Laramie and Logan. Super fun. I have seen a sampling of posts from the OSU and Wazzu Boards. They are not happy about being in a Conference with Boise. Corvallis and Pullman are in the same League with Laramie and Logan. All four require a long bus ride from the nearest major airport. The faux self induced superiority of the Pac Leftovers is hilarious. If I was an OSU or a WSU fan I wouldn’t want to join the MWC either. It’s a crap conference. They have no choice. They got screwed worse than SDSU. |
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Post by LostAztec on Aug 9, 2023 7:50:09 GMT -8
If the four remaining Pac 12 teams are putting any faith in Kliavkoff then they are beyond help and beyond hope. I don't get everyone blaming GK. He was dealt a s#!++y hand. Carrol Folt was undermining expansion moves while planning U$CLAs exit. The Pac Presidents rejected their first offer because they felt felt they could do better. When in reality it was the offer that would have saved the Pac and killed the XII. The Pac leadership simply over inflated it's value. The Networks were also culpable because they realized it was cheaper to pick off properties from the Pac then to pay the entire Conference. When it seemed like there was a last minute Hail Mary to save the Pac, OUW had already out the back door by not showing up for the Conference call. In my mind, once U$CLA fled the coop, OUW were more out than they were in the Pac despite their messages of solidarity. This is not on GK. Brett Yormark couldn't have saved this Conference. This is on the Pac Presidents, the Networks, and the two Big Conferences |
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Post by LostAztec on Aug 9, 2023 7:56:03 GMT -8
What a bleak, depressing future we seem stuck with... We will be in the Big 12 eventually. This is just temporary. roflmao 🤣 |
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Post by sdsu2000 on Aug 9, 2023 7:56:59 GMT -8
We just need Stanford and Cal to join the ACC before anything else happens. That could open the door for Florida State, Clemson, UNC, Virginia and others to leave for the B1G, SEC and in some cases the Big 12. Oregon State and Washington State are running out of time. Mostly because they need to start scheduling non conference games for next year. Cal and Stanford want nothing to do with us. Oregon State and Washington State will have no choice but to join our garbage heap. I am sure they are looking forward to the trips to Laramie and Logan. Super fun. Oregon State and Washington State are going to do nothing until Stanford and Cal do something first. So that’s what has to happen first. Then they are going to continue explore all options before settling and joining the MW. With the MW having multiple sources talk to various media outlets yesterday about SDSU trying to tear apart the MW, I’d imagine OSU and WSU would be thinking long and hard about the AAC over the MW. |
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Post by hoobs on Aug 9, 2023 8:00:00 GMT -8
If the MW "leavers" need 9 votes to get out of the exit fees... you can add AFA but still have to include 2 of 3 between those - SJSU, NM, Hawaii. So pick 1 to drop, but you have to keep the other 2. Or... figure out a way for 5-6 schools to exit without having to pay $15-20m to depart in 11 months. I'm thinking the Pac Leftovers could wait an extra year for the Best of the Rest G5's to get out of their current Conferences. For 2024, I am certain those Schools would readily drop their FCs games for a game against their new Conference mates. It's workable in B-ball and FB. The other Olys would be trickier to schedule. How do Oregon State, Washington State, Stanford, & Cal play all of 2024-2025 in a conference with only 4 members? Play each other twice each in football, and then add 2 extra OOC games? How about basketball (or tennis, or baseball, etc.), do they play either other 4 times each and add several additional OOC games? And what media partner will they get to broadcast games for a 4-team conference? And what will they pay? Now, it might not matter if Stanford & Cal sneak into the B1G or Big?? instead. But I cannot see how anyone lives in a conference with only 4 members for an entire year. |
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Post by LostAztec on Aug 9, 2023 8:02:36 GMT -8
I don’t think mwc teams will have much say. PAC will invite who they want. I could see only 2 mwc teams and the rest in Texas. I could see pac 4, SDSU,unlv, SMU and Tulane to get to 8. Possible adds of csu/AFA and rice. Seems like pac4 wants to keep it small and controllable, they’ve always resisted expansion. Plus, less money for media to pay. ESPN could pay 8 teams 10m-15m and save money, while getting more content instead of paying 2 schools to go to Big12 at 32m Why would ESPN pay for that cluster **** of Schools with no fanbases or TV ratings ? |
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Post by rebar619 on Aug 9, 2023 8:04:37 GMT -8
Big 12 clearly never gave us a offer. If they did it would have been reported by one of the national guys reporting on expansion during these last 18 months The P12 offer was never “confirmed” but it existed The P12 offer has since been confirmed by Wilner and others. If the Pac9 signed the media deal and GOR, SDSU addition was to be announced the same day. |
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Post by LostAztec on Aug 9, 2023 8:05:21 GMT -8
Same can be said of SDSU. Why join the PAC2,3 or 4? We certainly don't pay to do so. The PAC2.3.4 is worse than the MWC right now. SDSU would be the best overall program immediately. Mm mm mkay 🤔 |
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Post by soccer94 on Aug 9, 2023 8:28:38 GMT -8
I have seen a sampling of posts from the OSU and Wazzu Boards. They are not happy about being in a Conference with Boise. Corvallis and Pullman are in the same League with Laramie and Logan. All four require a long bus ride from the nearest major airport. The faux self induced superiority of the Pac Leftovers is hilarious. If I was an OSU or a WSU fan I wouldn’t want to join the MWC either. It’s a crap conference. They have no choice. They got screwed worse than SDSU. If they end up in the MWC, it is a demotion and a massive reduction in revenue, for us, it would just be the status quo. It all comes down to the ACC taking or not taking Cal and Stanford. If they do not, then I think a Pac rebuild happens. If they do, then the Pac is probably done and WSU, OSU go to MWC. It is a bit surprising that the P5 is leaving teams behind. The members only club doesn't generally kick out members. |
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Post by 94sdsu on Aug 9, 2023 8:37:50 GMT -8
We just need Stanford and Cal to join the ACC before anything else happens. That could open the door for Florida State, Clemson, UNC, Virginia and others to leave for the B1G, SEC and in some cases the Big 12. Oregon State and Washington State are running out of time. Mostly because they need to start scheduling non conference games for next year. I'm with you on Stanford and Cal joining the ACC, but for different reasons. I want the ACC strong, so they don't contract, but possibly expand by taking UWV, UCF, etc. If they're a strong conference and can pick off a couple of B12 teams, it opens a spot for us. If the ACC loses any teams, then I think they'll loose at the very least 6 if not more at which point their numbers go down and the B12 can start picking off left over teams like Duke and NC St. which forever shuts the P5 door for SDSU. If the ACC looses 6 teams (Miami, FSU, Clemson, UNC, UVa and GT), that only leaves 8 football playing members. Will they have enough clout to take some B12 teams to get back to 10 or 12? I doubt it. The B12 will gobble up a few of them, e.g. Duke, Pitt, and VT, and either get to 20 or possible take a few more and get to 24. If they go for 24, then SDSU has a small chance in order that the B12 would be the only conference with teams in all the time zones. But our best hope now is for B12 to take OSU and us. |
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Post by docmm on Aug 9, 2023 8:40:49 GMT -8
For the time being, the Pac will still have a guaranteed playoff spot. That is very attractive. I think if the 4 remaining Pac4 schools get a conference together, the CFP will keep a slot open for that new conference purely out of guilt or public relations. If they don't do it fast, I think that slot vanishes. The disingenuous SEC Commissioner has already brought this up, right after he droned on and on about how badly he felt for the PAC12 schools. What a lying scumbag. |
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Post by jcljorgenson on Aug 9, 2023 8:54:33 GMT -8
Is it accurate to say all MWC members would incur significant fines for departing but there is very little consequence for Pac-12 members to leave? If so, wouldn't that put the 12 member MWC in a huge advantage over the Pac-4? How could those 4 members subsidize the departure fees for the MWC departures? And the Pac still doesn't have a media deal in place. They seem toast, to me.
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Post by sdsu2000 on Aug 9, 2023 8:55:28 GMT -8
We just need Stanford and Cal to join the ACC before anything else happens. That could open the door for Florida State, Clemson, UNC, Virginia and others to leave for the B1G, SEC and in some cases the Big 12. Oregon State and Washington State are running out of time. Mostly because they need to start scheduling non conference games for next year. I'm with you on Stanford and Cal joining the ACC, but for different reasons. I want the ACC strong, so they don't contract, but possibly expand by taking UWV, UCF, etc. If they're a strong conference and can pick off a couple of B12 teams, it opens a spot for us. If the ACC loses any teams, then I think they'll loose at the very least 6 if not more at which point their numbers go down and the B12 can start picking off left over teams like Duke and NC St. which forever shuts the P5 door for SDSU. If the ACC looses 6 teams (Miami, FSU, Clemson, UNC, UVa and GT), that only leaves 8 football playing members. Will they have enough clout to take some B12 teams to get back to 10 or 12? I doubt it. The B12 will gobble up a few of them, e.g. Duke, Pitt, and VT, and either get to 20 or possible take a few more and get to 24. If they go for 24, then SDSU has a small chance in order that the B12 would be the only conference with teams in all the time zones. But our best hope now is for B12 to take OSU and us. I’m kind of hoping the ACC falls. Who knows, maybe the Big 12 then can do something like Chip Kelly was talking about. Share the football money. Create a playoff. Keep all other sports in divisions that makes sense for travel and rivalries. Won’t happen, but I’d be interested in seeing what the Big 12 might do since they have been out in front. |
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