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Post by sdcoug on Aug 8, 2023 10:54:06 GMT -8
It seems that Wicker and DLT were dealt some real s#!++y cards in a game of Texas hold em. I doubt they had enough for a crappy bluff. JMO going all in on the Pac12 may have not be the best course of action. Was there ever a time when the B12 looked like a better option than at least waiting to see what the P12 offered? No. The P12 was strongly preferred, and we were actually told to be sitting by the phone Friday for an invite. It was the right course of action until the 11th hour. Once Oregon bailed, and only then, the corners all went which blocked SDSU. There was nothing they could have done at that point in time. The B12's contract was pro-rata for P5 additions, but not G5s. People who blame the administration aren't seeing the whole picture. They did all they could to get us in this position, and they followed the preferred path. When that fell apart their hands were tied. Moving forward SDSU, along with Stanford & to a lesser degree Cal, are the premier programs on the West coast who aren't owned by Fox. There will be appeal in that down the road. |
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Post by Ambivalent_Fan on Aug 8, 2023 10:57:41 GMT -8
It seems that Wicker and DLT were dealt some real s#!++y cards in a game of Texas hold em. I doubt they had enough for a crappy bluff. JMO going all in on the Pac12 may have not be the best course of action. You're right...we should have also applied to the SEC / B1G / ACC / Big XII (which we might have done)...ultimately no one selected us despite our resume...happens all the time in business... I can't count the number of times I truly believe that we were the best fit for a client...but they instead chose someone else because they were a name brand instead of a better fit...it's the old adage "you can't get fired for selecting IBM" |
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Post by aztecsiggy on Aug 8, 2023 11:04:06 GMT -8
Maybe... "they don't like us, we don't care" was the wrong attitude?
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Post by hoobs on Aug 8, 2023 11:05:41 GMT -8
Whether or not you feel DLT and Wicker played (or mis-played) the cards they were dealt, the fact remains that both have unequivocally failed to deliver in getting San Diego State into a better conference despite more than a decade of on field success in football, 2 trips to the Sweet Sixteen and a Final Four title game appearance. If they cannot remedy the situation almost immediately both need to be fired. Doesn't matter Wicker was AD of the Year, doesn't matter DLT went with the smart play. They failed completely at achieving the objective and must be held accountable. C'mon... First, Pres. DLT's job isn't to get SDSU into a better althetic conference. It's to improve the university as a whole, and even just the single measurement of the school's progress towards R1 status is indicative that she is doing a solid, or very good, job. Their work on Mission Valley has been extraordinary. There has to be a seat open to get into a better conference. We were hours away from getting into an intact PAC lacking only USC, UCLA, and Colorado. The B1G's actions to break the rest of the conference by taking OR & WA at a reduced rate was, frankly and to be fair, pretty damn unexpected. Regardless... yeah, we're all disappointed, but asking for DLT & Wicker's heads is just silly. |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Aug 8, 2023 11:08:41 GMT -8
going all in on the Pac12 may have not be the best course of action. Yeah… it looks bad now… I was on the P12 band wagon… for sure… shocked that it played out like it did… Having said that… I doubt the ACC can take Cal/Stanford… it would reduce payments to schools like Clemson and FSU and travel expenses would be a disaster… the only way it works is if there were 6-8 schools joining as a western wing of the ACC… you could even add Gonzaga… adding OSU, WSU, Cal, Stanford, SDSU and UNLV plus Gonzaga gives you 20 for football and 22 for all other sports… Still feels like a long shot… So that leaves the B12 a choice… cede the state of California to the B1G and the new BOR conference or take action and add SDSU and  It's not always about the dollars and cents you see on the paper. They will lift every rock on CAL's and Stanford's behalf to soft land them. |
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Post by hoobs on Aug 8, 2023 11:08:59 GMT -8
Why is Kliavkoff still around? Until the PAC4 replaces him I would not have anything to do with them. He has zero credibility and trust from me. In the conversation of "________ should be fired" this is at least a pretty fair and legit claim... |
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Post by zbt69 on Aug 8, 2023 11:09:00 GMT -8
Whether or not you feel DLT and Wicker played (or mis-played) the cards they were dealt, the fact remains that both have unequivocally failed to deliver in getting San Diego State into a better conference despite more than a decade of on field success in football, 2 trips to the Sweet Sixteen and a Final Four title game appearance. If they cannot remedy the situation almost immediately both need to be fired. Doesn't matter Wicker was AD of the Year, doesn't matter DLT went with the smart play. They failed completely at achieving the objective and must be held accountable. Only if we can hold you personally accountable for other people's actions in your life where you have no control...perhaps you should lose you house if the neighborhood you live in, has a higher crime rate than before you moved there... As you pointed out...they have excelled in areas where they can affect some of the outcome (fielding competitive teams...building a new stadium on time and on budget...increasing the foundation and research dollars that SDSU's academic success is derived...putting SDSU on track for R1 status...etc) JD and ADLT definitely are not the problem with college sports... You are correct DLT and Wicker were not the problem. The powers that are making the television decisions telling the conferences who they want and the greedy University are the issues. Hundred of years of tradition being undone that made College football special, going out the window. We will be offered games we don't care about (Alabama vs Tennessee), ect. I personally hope the mega conferences fail big time. All SDSU can do is keep beating the crap out of the annointed ones. |
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Post by speedytec on Aug 8, 2023 11:14:39 GMT -8
Whether or not you feel DLT and Wicker played (or mis-played) the cards they were dealt, the fact remains that both have unequivocally failed to deliver in getting San Diego State into a better conference despite more than a decade of on field success in football, 2 trips to the Sweet Sixteen and a Final Four title game appearance. If they cannot remedy the situation almost immediately both need to be fired. Doesn't matter Wicker was AD of the Year, doesn't matter DLT went with the smart play. They failed completely at achieving the objective and must be held accountable. This is the one fan that i am talking about. You got an AD thats been nothing but great leading your program and getting new stadium and making SDSU relevant/national known and a supportive president thats wants the same goal as tghe AD, yet this fan always have to have things go his/her way or else, find people to blame. The bad thing is, most SDSU are like this - when things done work out or go their way, fired the AD, fired the leader. This is the reason why i dont want SDSU to be in P4/5 conference, if they are in, god damn i cant imagine how they will act. |
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Post by fisherville on Aug 8, 2023 11:50:05 GMT -8
Big 12 clearly never gave us a offer. If they did it would have been reported by one of the national guys reporting on expansion during these last 18 months
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Post by richpjr on Aug 8, 2023 12:27:31 GMT -8
Only if we can hold you personally accountable for other people's actions in your life where you have no control...perhaps you should lose you house if the neighborhood you live in, has a higher crime rate than before you moved there... As you pointed out...they have excelled in areas where they can affect some of the outcome (fielding competitive teams...building a new stadium on time and on budget...increasing the foundation and research dollars that SDSU's academic success is derived...putting SDSU on track for R1 status...etc) JD and ADLT definitely are not the problem with college sports... You are correct DLT and Wicker were not the problem. The powers that are making the television decisions telling the conferences who they want and the greedy University are the issues. Hundred of years of tradition being undone that made College football special, going out the window. We will be offered games we don't care about (Alabama vs Tennessee), ect. I personally hope the mega conferences fail big time. All SDSU can do is keep beating the crap out of the annointed ones. They may not have been entirely the problem, but they certainly weren't the solution either. Who knows if stronger leadership would have made a difference or not. And if we could have jumped to the B12 but chose to wait for a PAC12 - well, who else is to blame but them? |
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Post by Cwag on Aug 8, 2023 12:29:29 GMT -8
You are correct DLT and Wicker were not the problem. The powers that are making the television decisions telling the conferences who they want and the greedy University are the issues. Hundred of years of tradition being undone that made College football special, going out the window. We will be offered games we don't care about (Alabama vs Tennessee), ect. I personally hope the mega conferences fail big time. All SDSU can do is keep beating the crap out of the annointed ones. They may not have been entirely the problem, but they certainly weren't the solution either. Who knows if stronger leadership would have made a difference or not. And if we could have jumped to the B12 but chose to wait for a PAC12 - well, who else is to blame but them? You, I blame you....... |
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Post by richpjr on Aug 8, 2023 12:57:12 GMT -8
They may not have been entirely the problem, but they certainly weren't the solution either. Who knows if stronger leadership would have made a difference or not. And if we could have jumped to the B12 but chose to wait for a PAC12 - well, who else is to blame but them? You, I blame you....... You sound like my wife!  |
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Post by Cwag on Aug 8, 2023 13:32:32 GMT -8
You sound like my wife! I know huh? |
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Post by Den60 on Aug 8, 2023 13:37:27 GMT -8
You are correct DLT and Wicker were not the problem. The powers that are making the television decisions telling the conferences who they want and the greedy University are the issues. Hundred of years of tradition being undone that made College football special, going out the window. We will be offered games we don't care about (Alabama vs Tennessee), ect. I personally hope the mega conferences fail big time. All SDSU can do is keep beating the crap out of the annointed ones. They may not have been entirely the problem, but they certainly weren't the solution either. Who knows if stronger leadership would have made a difference or not. And if we could have jumped to the B12 but chose to wait for a PAC12 - well, who else is to blame but them? How about FOX, the B1G, Oregon and Phil Knight? Hell, Washington will make less money in the B1G than the base amount in the PAC when travel is figured in. How about the sports gods, they seem to hate San Diego. |
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Post by standiego on Aug 8, 2023 13:50:49 GMT -8
Fox arranged the move of the 4 schools to the BIG in their battle with ESPN so a key villain in the PAC break up is FOX - also not sure what Fox may have to be adding for schools that jumped to the BIG and its schools
In addition didn't the TV Deal that ESPN have with the Big 12 that If the Big 12 was able to add P5 schools to the conference ESPN would be paying those schools also the close to $32 million . More money ESPN has to shell out BUT if the Big 12 added G5 schools say SDSU or Fresno the deal would have to be worked out - possibly another reason the Big 12 Plan A was to get the PAC schools
Big Money is involved and can make things happen - College Sports is a big Business
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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on Aug 8, 2023 14:00:21 GMT -8
Fox arranged the move of the 4 schools to the BIG in their battle with ESPN so a key villain in the PAC break up is FOX - also not sure what Fox may have to be adding for schools that jumped to the BIG and its schools In addition didn't the TV Deal that ESPN have with the Big 12 that If the Big 12 was able to add P5 schools to the conference ESPN would be paying those schools also the close to $32 million . More money ESPN has to shell out BUT if the Big 12 added G5 schools say SDSU or Fresno the deal would have to be worked out - possibly another reason the Big 12 Plan A was to get the PAC schools Big Money is involved and can make things happen - College Sports is a big Business ESPN pays the Big 12 $20m and Fox pays $12m. The media deal was for ESPN to pay pro rata for P5 schools and G5 would need to be negotiated. ESPN allegedly approved SDSU for their full share. Fox did not agree to a pro rata increase in the contract but then agreed to adding 2 teams. This is probably why reports state that Utah and ASU, the 3rd and 4th teams added, did not come in at a full share. Either the conference is making up the additional 12m/yr for each team or those schools are taking less. Fox killed the PAC |
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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on Aug 8, 2023 14:13:29 GMT -8
Whether or not you feel DLT and Wicker played (or mis-played) the cards they were dealt, the fact remains that both have unequivocally failed to deliver in getting San Diego State into a better conference despite more than a decade of on field success in football, 2 trips to the Sweet Sixteen and a Final Four title game appearance. If they cannot remedy the situation almost immediately both need to be fired. Doesn't matter Wicker was AD of the Year, doesn't matter DLT went with the smart play. They failed completely at achieving the objective and must be held accountable. LOL, the majority of this board voted last week to join the PAC, but you go there with your hindsight vision. Under DLT and JD this school passed SDSU West, got the stadium built on time and on budget, during Covid. The remainder of the project is progressing on time and on budget. The Research funding is at record levels, as is the school donations. We are on track to R1 level and can offer some Ph.d's. Did they misplay going to the PAC vs Big 12? Who knows, we were told that the Big 12 never offered. The PAC presidents went into last Friday thinking that the conference had a media deal and GOR, only to have FOX blow it up 15 minutes prior to signing. IF 10 PAC presidents woke up on Friday thinking there would be a PAC conference, than I don't think we can blame SDSU on this. |
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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on Aug 8, 2023 14:16:15 GMT -8
Reality check: Without USC, UCLA, Washington, Oregon and Utah this will be a very mediocre conference. Sorry to break this to you guys, but this “new PAC” will just be the Mountain West plus. Wow, thanks for those pearls of wisdom genius. Either SDSU wallows in the existing MW for a few more generations or they work with the Pac4 to make something that is at least slightly better. Nobody is happy about the situation, but here we are. [/quot It couldn't happen to a better university. |
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Post by Boise Aztec on Aug 8, 2023 14:18:31 GMT -8
Big 12 clearly never gave us a offer. If they did it would have been reported by one of the national guys reporting on expansion during these last 18 months The P12 offer was never “confirmed” but it existed |
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Post by laaztec on Aug 8, 2023 14:36:06 GMT -8
SDSU will play there this year and then every other during conference play for the next decade or so.
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