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Post by jcljorgenson on Aug 9, 2023 9:07:15 GMT -8
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Post by standiego on Aug 9, 2023 9:09:45 GMT -8
The 4 gotten 4 PAC schools have continued the same creed of those who have left - It is all about Me attitude and will be simply looking what is best for each school
Stanford having the most appeal for any other conference
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Post by AzTex on Aug 9, 2023 9:15:56 GMT -8
I'm thinking the Pac Leftovers could wait an extra year for the Best of the Rest G5's to get out of their current Conferences. For 2024, I am certain those Schools would readily drop their FCs games for a game against their new Conference mates. It's workable in B-ball and FB. The other Olys would be trickier to schedule. How do Oregon State, Washington State, Stanford, & Cal play all of 2024-2025 in a conference with only 4 members? Play each other twice each in football, and then add 2 extra OOC games? How about basketball (or tennis, or baseball, etc.), do they play either other 4 times each and add several additional OOC games? And what media partner will they get to broadcast games for a 4-team conference? And what will they pay? Now, it might not matter if Stanford & Cal sneak into the B1G or Big?? instead. But I cannot see how anyone lives in a conference with only 4 members for an entire year. If it comes down to that, and it looks very possible, it will be almost like the four of them have all gone independent. Scheduling OOC basketball games shouldn't be too difficult. Although they'll have to play a large number of their season games early before conference play starts everywhere.
With OOC football games scheduled so far in advance they will have a lot more trouble there. Best bet is probably to schedule FCS teams on a home and home basis. TV will probably have to be mostly each team doing local broadcasts of their home games with local advertising. Pennies compared to what they're used to. I wouldn't want to be them if something isn't done qickly.
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Post by soccer94 on Aug 9, 2023 9:24:17 GMT -8
www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/38162254/wsu-president-preparing-realignment-moves-bad-spotIf Cal and Stanford don't go to the ACC, Schulz is open to exploring a path forward for the Pac-12 as one of the options. Schulz, however, said it's uncertain whether Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff would be part of that. Schulz said it was "a secondary issue" at this point when asked specifically about Kliavkoff's future, but "if we choose to rebuild a conference around those four schools, is George that guy? All of that then becomes a forefront issue instead of a secondary issue." He did say that if Stanford and Cal stay, any creative solution pushing the Pac-12 forward would likely require a "different" media consultant. Kliavkoff hired Doug Perlman of Sports Media Advisors, who did not have extensive experience in the college sports space. "To me, when something happens like this," Schulz said about a media consultant, "we need a new set of people to start with a clean chalkboard." What could some Pac-12 options look like? He mentioned schools from the Mountain West and perhaps in Texas could look to jump, but that would all depend on a media deal.
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Post by richpjr on Aug 9, 2023 9:29:09 GMT -8
I'm thinking the Pac Leftovers could wait an extra year for the Best of the Rest G5's to get out of their current Conferences. For 2024, I am certain those Schools would readily drop their FCs games for a game against their new Conference mates. It's workable in B-ball and FB. The other Olys would be trickier to schedule. How do Oregon State, Washington State, Stanford, & Cal play all of 2024-2025 in a conference with only 4 members? Play each other twice each in football, and then add 2 extra OOC games? How about basketball (or tennis, or baseball, etc.), do they play either other 4 times each and add several additional OOC games? And what media partner will they get to broadcast games for a 4-team conference? And what will they pay? Now, it might not matter if Stanford & Cal sneak into the B1G or Big?? instead. But I cannot see how anyone lives in a conference with only 4 members for an entire year. Someone posted another article where FB has to have a minimum of 6 teams in the conference, for whatever that is worth. |
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Post by soccer94 on Aug 9, 2023 9:41:07 GMT -8
How do Oregon State, Washington State, Stanford, & Cal play all of 2024-2025 in a conference with only 4 members? Play each other twice each in football, and then add 2 extra OOC games? How about basketball (or tennis, or baseball, etc.), do they play either other 4 times each and add several additional OOC games? And what media partner will they get to broadcast games for a 4-team conference? And what will they pay? Now, it might not matter if Stanford & Cal sneak into the B1G or Big?? instead. But I cannot see how anyone lives in a conference with only 4 members for an entire year. Someone posted another article where FB has to have a minimum of 6 teams in the conference, for whatever that is worth. I read in the NCAA bylaws that you have a two year grace period if teams leave. |
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Post by Trujillos & Beer on Aug 9, 2023 10:02:04 GMT -8
www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/38162254/wsu-president-preparing-realignment-moves-bad-spotIf Cal and Stanford don't go to the ACC, Schulz is open to exploring a path forward for the Pac-12 as one of the options. Schulz, however, said it's uncertain whether Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff would be part of that. Schulz said it was "a secondary issue" at this point when asked specifically about Kliavkoff's future, but "if we choose to rebuild a conference around those four schools, is George that guy? All of that then becomes a forefront issue instead of a secondary issue." He did say that if Stanford and Cal stay, any creative solution pushing the Pac-12 forward would likely require a "different" media consultant. Kliavkoff hired Doug Perlman of Sports Media Advisors, who did not have extensive experience in the college sports space. "To me, when something happens like this," Schulz said about a media consultant, "we need a new set of people to start with a clean chalkboard." What could some Pac-12 options look like? He mentioned schools from the Mountain West and perhaps in Texas could look to jump, but that would all depend on a media deal. Wasn't Schulz chairman of the Pac12 board? Seems like he's as much a part of the problem as Larry and George. |
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Post by soccer94 on Aug 9, 2023 10:10:17 GMT -8
www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/38162254/wsu-president-preparing-realignment-moves-bad-spotIf Cal and Stanford don't go to the ACC, Schulz is open to exploring a path forward for the Pac-12 as one of the options. Schulz, however, said it's uncertain whether Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff would be part of that. Schulz said it was "a secondary issue" at this point when asked specifically about Kliavkoff's future, but "if we choose to rebuild a conference around those four schools, is George that guy? All of that then becomes a forefront issue instead of a secondary issue." He did say that if Stanford and Cal stay, any creative solution pushing the Pac-12 forward would likely require a "different" media consultant. Kliavkoff hired Doug Perlman of Sports Media Advisors, who did not have extensive experience in the college sports space. "To me, when something happens like this," Schulz said about a media consultant, "we need a new set of people to start with a clean chalkboard." What could some Pac-12 options look like? He mentioned schools from the Mountain West and perhaps in Texas could look to jump, but that would all depend on a media deal. Wasn't Schulz chairman of the Pac12 board? Seems like he's as much a part of the problem as Larry and George. It's tough when other members of the board are telling the other members one things, but are secretly plotting their own path. |
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Post by LostAztec on Aug 9, 2023 10:20:39 GMT -8
The Big 12 's plan after they got their TV Deal - that included the same good money IF they added P5 schools - was to go after P5 schools = PAC Schools NOT G5 schools So they continued with their Plan - Get P5 schools from the PAC So neither SDSU or Fresno was going to get an Official unless the PAC stayed together SDSU did not refuse an Invitation it Never Had - the Big 12 stayed their course and added the PAC school that the BIG 12 wanted You can scream Select us SDSU all day and all night 24/7 but the Big 12 was and did the selecting of schools - as it is doing now - not wanting even more PAC schools You are incorrect roflmao........ ESPN surprised by the Pac falling apart ? That explains why they gave the nod when Pac Schools came crawling to kiss the ESPN ringed hands for a Golden Parachute out of the Pac. |
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Post by LostAztec on Aug 9, 2023 10:22:12 GMT -8
It seems that Wicker and DLT were dealt some real s#!++y cards in a game of Texas hold em. I doubt they had enough for a crappy bluff. JMO They weren't even dealt a wild card. |
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Post by laaztec on Aug 9, 2023 10:25:58 GMT -8
Cal and Stanford will never join any of the MWC schools in any form or fashion. The Only schools that the MWC will get are OSU and WSU.
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Post by LostAztec on Aug 9, 2023 10:37:22 GMT -8
Fox arranged the move of the 4 schools to the BIG in their battle with ESPN so a key villain in the PAC break up is FOX - also not sure what Fox may have to be adding for schools that jumped to the BIG and its schools In addition didn't the TV Deal that ESPN have with the Big 12 that If the Big 12 was able to add P5 schools to the conference ESPN would be paying those schools also the close to $32 million . More money ESPN has to shell out BUT if the Big 12 added G5 schools say SDSU or Fresno the deal would have to be worked out - possibly another reason the Big 12 Plan A was to get the PAC schools Big Money is involved and can make things happen - College Sports is a big Business ESPN pays the Big 12 $20m and Fox pays $12m. The media deal was for ESPN to pay pro rata for P5 schools and G5 would need to be negotiated. ESPN allegedly approved SDSU for their full share. Fox did not agree to a pro rata increase in the contract but then agreed to adding 2 teams. This is probably why reports state that Utah and ASU, the 3rd and 4th teams added, did not come in at a full share. Either the conference is making up the additional 12m/yr for each team or those schools are taking less. Fox killed the PAC As did many others. Carol Folt secretly negotiating with the B1G while killing Pac expansion moves. ESPN for taking Pac Schools at full rate into the XII, but underpaying them in the Pac. Pac Presidents for rejecting ESPN first offer because they felt they could do better on the open market. ESPN/FOX were both okay with killing off one of the Pac/XII. They didn't care which way it went down. GK not telling Pac leadership there was an additional offer of $35-40 mil on the table for 13 2nd tier games on top of the Apple offer. Every University Prez who acted for themselves above the Conference. OUW, CU and Arizona always acted in faith with one foot out the door. We just witnessed CFB's version of Murder on the Orient Express. |
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Post by myownwords on Aug 9, 2023 10:48:46 GMT -8
We just need Stanford and Cal to join the ACC before anything else happens. That could open the door for Florida State, Clemson, UNC, Virginia and others to leave for the B1G, SEC and in some cases the Big 12. Oregon State and Washington State are running out of time. Mostly because they need to start scheduling non conference games for next year. Cal and Stanford want nothing to do with us. Oregon State and Washington State will have no choice but to join our garbage heap. I am sure they are looking forward to the trips to Laramie and Logan. Super fun. These pitiable PAC Vestiges still think they're SOMEBODY, pretending the big deuce that O and W dropped on them is just real bad tule fog and will soon clear. |
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Post by LostAztec on Aug 9, 2023 10:50:38 GMT -8
Is it accurate to say all MWC members would incur significant fines for departing but there is very little consequence for Pac-12 members to leave? If so, wouldn't that put the 12 member MWC in a huge advantage over the Pac-4? How could those 4 members subsidize the departure fees for the MWC departures? And the Pac still doesn't have a media deal in place. They seem toast, to me. If the Leftover Four are serious about surviving as a "Best of Conference", they need to get their heads out of their asses and invite the top Central and Western G5's and at bare minimum use their War Chest to pay for half the exit fees to get them in ealry. Sadly, by all appearances the Pac4 are not down with that plan. |
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Post by azteccc on Aug 9, 2023 10:51:47 GMT -8
Is it accurate to say all MWC members would incur significant fines for departing but there is very little consequence for Pac-12 members to leave? If so, wouldn't that put the 12 member MWC in a huge advantage over the Pac-4? How could those 4 members subsidize the departure fees for the MWC departures? And the Pac still doesn't have a media deal in place. They seem toast, to me. If the Leftover Four are serious about surviving as a "Best of Conference", they need to get their heads out of their asses and invite the top Central and Western G5's and at bare minimum use their War Chest to pay for half the exit fees to get them in ealry. Sadly, by all appearances the Pac4 are not down with that plan. They know it means they would share our fate - permanent irrelevance as a second class (at best) program. |
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Post by Cwag on Aug 9, 2023 10:54:42 GMT -8
Is it accurate to say all MWC members would incur significant fines for departing but there is very little consequence for Pac-12 members to leave? If so, wouldn't that put the 12 member MWC in a huge advantage over the Pac-4? How could those 4 members subsidize the departure fees for the MWC departures? And the Pac still doesn't have a media deal in place. They seem toast, to me. If the Leftover Four are serious about surviving as a "Best of Conference", they need to get their heads out of their asses and invite the top Central and Western G5's and at bare minimum use their War Chest to pay for half the exit fees to get them in ealry. Sadly, by all appearances the Pac4 are not down with that plan. Kliavkoff is still working on a media deal. Once that is done they can begin discussions about expansion. As long at Mr. Conference Killer is at the helm there is no chance to rebuild or expand anything. |
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Aug 9, 2023 10:58:56 GMT -8
Cal has no power to dictate. They are so far in the hole financially they need to be careful. Their FB & BB programs have been losers and insignificant lately. Tough to dictate terms when you suck. JMO.
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Post by standiego on Aug 9, 2023 11:37:41 GMT -8
The problem is the 4 gotten 4 are still in a hangover mode - believing they can get into a P5 conference and or are still a P5 school no matter what happens
Are they actually getting advances from another P5 conference and at what rate or reality check - who knows or can they be believed
Hope they can come to their senses but as we know rejection can be hard to shake - easier to believe that they are still in dreamland for them or denial
Who might be talking to TV / Media to see how much would be out there - as we know they are coming from P5 money and G5 schools are coming from a much lower TV Money deal
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Post by Cwag on Aug 9, 2023 11:46:37 GMT -8
The problem is the 4 gotten 4 are still in a hangover mode - believing they can get into a P5 conference and or are still a P5 school no matter what happens Are they actually getting advances from another P5 conference and at what rate or reality check - who knows or can they be believed Hope they can come to their senses but as we know rejection can be hard to shake - easier to believe that they are still in dreamland for them or denial Who might be talking to TV / Media to see how much would be out there - as we know they are coming from P5 money and G5 schools are coming from a much lower TV Money deal Kliavkoff has it all under control. They should be down to 0 teams in about a week or two. |
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Post by Snohomie-Aztec on Aug 9, 2023 11:54:09 GMT -8
The problem is the 4 gotten 4 are still in a hangover mode - believing they can get into a P5 conference and or are still a P5 school no matter what happens Are they actually getting advances from another P5 conference and at what rate or reality check - who knows or can they be believed Hope they can come to their senses but as we know rejection can be hard to shake - easier to believe that they are still in dreamland for them or denial Who might be talking to TV / Media to see how much would be out there - as we know they are coming from P5 money and G5 schools are coming from a much lower TV Money deal Kliavkoff has it all under control. They should be down to 0 teams in about a week or two. I am looking forward to the truly innovative series of in-season home and home and home and home conference games between Stanford and Cal |
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