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Post by jdaztec on Aug 10, 2023 18:17:15 GMT -8
Can you paraphrase the article Please ?
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Post by chris92065 on Aug 10, 2023 18:17:45 GMT -8
Long live the PAC. I like the idea of having SMU but out our exit fee. But is this a long term viable League Well they can add 5 mwc schools and smu. We can sue the mwc and negotiate the exit fee. |
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Post by Cwag on Aug 10, 2023 18:19:54 GMT -8
Long live the PAC. I like the idea of having SMU but out our exit fee. But is this a long term viable League Cal and Stanford led by Kliavkoff, yeah that’s the ticket |
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Post by zurac315 on Aug 10, 2023 18:25:15 GMT -8
I would like to be in a PAC conference with Stanford and any other PAC teams that would join and get some of the better MWC teams as well as other strays who would consider joining. I don't know if such a thing is possible.
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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on Aug 10, 2023 18:26:24 GMT -8
Long live the PAC. I like the idea of having SMU but out our exit fee. But is this a long term viable League Well they can add 5 mwc schools and smu. We can sue the mwc and negotiate the exit fee. The article says that San Diego State is the only mountain west team they could consider. The other three are Rice, SMU and Tulane. With smu donors, buying out our exit fees. The thing to remember is, we do not need to sue the mountain west, they would need to sue us to try to make us pay the exit fee. They would have to show that it represents true damages, which is impossible with the media pay out only 4 million per team and two years on contract. This would be negotiated down to 12 to 17m range, as that is in line with the actual damages. Anything above would be considered a penalty and not legally valid. |
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Post by Cwag on Aug 10, 2023 18:33:26 GMT -8
Well they can add 5 mwc schools and smu. We can sue the mwc and negotiate the exit fee. The article says that San Diego State is the only mountain west team they could consider. The other three are Rice, SMU and Tulane. With smu donors, buying out our exit fees. The thing to remember is, we do not need to sue the mountain west, they would need to sue us to try to make us pay the exit fee. They would have to show that it represents true damages, which is impossible with the media pay out only 4 million per team and two years on contract. This would be negotiated down to 12 to 17m range, as that is in line with the actual damages. Anything above would be considered a penalty and not legally valid. Is that a very good basketball conference? |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Aug 10, 2023 18:34:06 GMT -8
Well they can add 5 mwc schools and smu. We can sue the mwc and negotiate the exit fee. The article says that San Diego State is the only mountain west team they could consider. The other three are Rice, SMU and Tulane. With smu donors, buying out our exit fees. The thing to remember is, we do not need to sue the mountain west, they would need to sue us to try to make us pay the exit fee. They would have to show that it represents true damages, which is impossible with the media pay out only 4 million per team and two years on contract. This would be negotiated down to 12 to 17m range, as that is in line with the actual damages. Anything above would be considered a penalty and not legally valid. I could see CSU, AFA, SMU, and Rice scratching Stanford’s itch. Would TV pay up for it? Honestly they need to kneecap the MW at the same time. WSU OSU Stanford Cal State Fresno CSU AFA Boise RICE SMU Tulane This would be a balance of academics, markets, brand and performance. JMO. |
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Post by jdaztec on Aug 10, 2023 18:35:48 GMT -8
Rice brings strong academics but .......in terms of Sports ?
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Aug 10, 2023 18:38:51 GMT -8
Rice brings strong academics but .......in terms of Sports ? You are dealing with Stanford and Cal, they are making the decisions and they are in Houston. |
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Post by Cwag on Aug 10, 2023 18:41:53 GMT -8
Rice brings strong academics but .......in terms of Sports ? You are dealing with Stanford and Cal, they are making the decisions and they are in Houston. I’m sure Kliavkoff calls Rice the lynchpin to the plan…… |
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Post by samurai on Aug 10, 2023 18:46:56 GMT -8
The biggest attributes for Rice is the media market and endowment. They are a very rich school. If you made them promise to spend more on athletics in exchange for a P5 invite, they could turn things around very quickly.
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Post by samurai on Aug 10, 2023 18:53:48 GMT -8
If Stanford & Cal are going to apart of a PAC rebuild then academics are going to play a big part in any potential invite. That means no Fresno or Boise. A potential PAC rebuild with those restrictions would probably look something like this:
PAC-10
Washington State
Oregon State
Cal
Stanford
San Diego State
Colorado State
SMU
Rice
Tulane
Memphis
Gonzaga (Basketball/Olympic Only)
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Aug 10, 2023 18:54:39 GMT -8
You are dealing with Stanford and Cal, they are making the decisions and they are in Houston. I’m sure Kliavkoff calls Rice the lynchpin to the plan…… You are not going to get Stanford off Academics, it’s not a gimmick. They mean it. As a commissioner, you tell them. Ok but we need to kneecap our western competition and gain markets. You give on Rice but you bring in Boise. Stanford is where intimation was optimized, I am sure they will get that. I would go Oregon State, Washington State Cal , Stanford AFA, CSU State, Fresno SMU, RIce Boise, Tulane. Why? You lock up CA outside of LA. You add Denver Market you add New Orleans Market You add Houston Market You add Dallas Market You kneecap the MW You get some great academic institutions to offset Fresno and Boise. I don’t think you need AFA or Rice, but it’s what Cal and Stanford wants. |
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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on Aug 10, 2023 18:54:46 GMT -8
The article says that San Diego State is the only mountain west team they could consider. The other three are Rice, SMU and Tulane. With smu donors, buying out our exit fees. The thing to remember is, we do not need to sue the mountain west, they would need to sue us to try to make us pay the exit fee. They would have to show that it represents true damages, which is impossible with the media pay out only 4 million per team and two years on contract. This would be negotiated down to 12 to 17m range, as that is in line with the actual damages. Anything above would be considered a penalty and not legally valid. I could see CSU, AFA, SMU, and Rice scratching Stanford’s itch. Would TV pay up for it? Honestly they need to kneecap the MW at the same time. WSU OSU Stanford Cal State Fresno CSU AFA Boise RICE SMU Tulane This would be a balance of academics, markets, brand and performance. JMO. I agree with the need to knee cap the mwc, but Stanford won’t assoc with the schools needed to do that. |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Aug 10, 2023 18:56:12 GMT -8
If Stanford & Cal are going to apart of a PAC rebuild then academics are going to play a big part in any potential invite. That means no Fresno or Boise. A potential PAC rebuild with those restrictions would probably look something like this: PAC-10Washington State Oregon State Cal Stanford San Diego State Colorado State SMU Rice Tulane Memphis Gonzaga (Basketball/Olympic Only) You need to kneecap the MW. |
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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on Aug 10, 2023 18:56:45 GMT -8
Long live the PAC. I like the idea of having SMU but out our exit fee. But is this a long term viable League Cal and Stanford led by Kliavkoff, yeah that’s the ticket Article states GK would be gone and look to either Bob Thompson or Gloria (mwc) Nevarez as commish. |
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Post by Ambivalent_Fan on Aug 10, 2023 18:57:17 GMT -8
Long live the PAC. I like the idea of having SMU but out our exit fee. But is this a long term viable League Cal and Stanford led by Kliavkoff, yeah that’s the ticket I’d rather have a league lead by Colonel Klink than Kliavkoff |
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Post by laaztec on Aug 10, 2023 18:57:29 GMT -8
If Stanford & Cal are going to apart of a PAC rebuild then academics are going to play a big part in any potential invite. That means no Fresno or Boise. A potential PAC rebuild with those restrictions would probably look something like this: PAC-10Washington State Oregon State Cal Stanford San Diego State Colorado State SMU Rice Tulane Memphis Gonzaga (Basketball/Olympic Only) It’s better than our current situation. |
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Post by lemkotir on Aug 10, 2023 18:59:30 GMT -8
The article says that San Diego State is the only mountain west team they could consider. The other three are Rice, SMU and Tulane. With smu donors, buying out our exit fees. The thing to remember is, we do not need to sue the mountain west, they would need to sue us to try to make us pay the exit fee. They would have to show that it represents true damages, which is impossible with the media pay out only 4 million per team and two years on contract. This would be negotiated down to 12 to 17m range, as that is in line with the actual damages. Anything above would be considered a penalty and not legally valid. I could see CSU, AFA, SMU, and Rice scratching Stanford’s itch. Would TV pay up for it? Honestly they need to kneecap the MW at the same time. WSU OSU Stanford Cal State Fresno CSU AFA Boise RICE SMU Tulane This would be a balance of academics, markets, brand and performance. JMO. As the article said, you have the invite the "right" members to ensure optics and perception of P5 label remains. Having said that, if this new PAC raises from the ash, then I can only see 8 member league. USNews Rankings in brackets: - Stanford [3]
- California [20]
- Oregon State [151]
- Washington State [212]
- SMU (2024) [72]
- Rice (2024) [15]
- Tulane (2024) [44]
- SDSU (2025) [151]
I would consider the following schools to get up to 9 or 10:
- Memphis (2025) [263]
- Colorado State (2025) [151]
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Post by lemkotir on Aug 10, 2023 19:02:57 GMT -8
I could see CSU, AFA, SMU, and Rice scratching Stanford’s itch. Would TV pay up for it? Honestly they need to kneecap the MW at the same time. WSU OSU Stanford Cal State Fresno CSU AFA Boise RICE SMU Tulane This would be a balance of academics, markets, brand and performance. JMO. As the article said, you have the invite the "right" members to ensure optics and perception of P5 label remains. Having said that, if this new PAC raises from the ash, then I can only see 8 member league. USNews Rankings in brackets: - Stanford [3]
- California [20]
- Oregon State [151]
- Washington State [212]
- SMU (2024) [72]
- Rice (2024) [15]
- Tulane (2024) [44]
- SDSU (2025) [151]
I would consider the following schools to get up to 9 or 10:
- Memphis (2025) [263]
- Colorado State (2025) [151]
Stanford and Cal are driving this bus... so they dictate which schools may be added. The article already said, only SDSU from MWC will received an invite from the PAC-4; not sure that is initially or forever. If so, then the only real option left are AAC schools. If the new PAC is an 8 school league, then you form pods Pacific Northwest:
OSU and WSU Norcal:Stanford and Cal Texas:SMU and Rice On Islands by themselves, but not too far away from others, due to being in a major city with direct flights:
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