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Post by AzTuba85 on Aug 10, 2023 19:05:14 GMT -8
I could see CSU, AFA, SMU, and Rice scratching Stanford’s itch. Would TV pay up for it? Honestly they need to kneecap the MW at the same time. WSU OSU Stanford Cal State Fresno CSU AFA Boise RICE SMU Tulane This would be a balance of academics, markets, brand and performance. JMO. As the article said, you have the invite the "right" members to ensure optics and perception of P5 label remains. Having said that, if this new PAC raises from the ash, then I can only see 8 member league. USNews Rankings in brackets: - Stanford [3]
- California [20]
- Oregon State [151]
- Washington State [212]
- SMU (2024) [72]
- Rice (2024) [15]
- Tulane (2024) [44]
- SDSU (2025) [151]
I would consider the following schools to get up to 9 or 10:
- Memphis (2025) [263]
- Colorado State (2025) [151]
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Post by lemkotir on Aug 10, 2023 19:06:58 GMT -8
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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on Aug 10, 2023 19:09:21 GMT -8
PAC needs to be agresssive, grab the best of AAC and MWC and sign a 2 year apple contract. This would guarantee a CFP spot for champ and set them up to steal the cbs/fox contract from mwc when it’s up in two years.
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Post by ourtime on Aug 10, 2023 19:10:42 GMT -8
As the article said, you have the invite the "right" members to ensure optics and perception of P5 label remains. Having said that, if this new PAC raises from the ash, then I can only see 8 member league. USNews Rankings in brackets: - Stanford [3]
- California [20]
- Oregon State [151]
- Washington State [212]
- SMU (2024) [72]
- Rice (2024) [15]
- Tulane (2024) [44]
- SDSU (2025) [151]
I would consider the following schools to get up to 9 or 10:
- Memphis (2025) [263]
- Colorado State (2025) [151]
Stanford and Cal are driving this bus... so they dictate which schools may be added. The article already said, only SDSU from MWC will received an invite from the PAC-4; not sure that is initially or forever. If so, then the only real option left are AAC schools. If the new PAC is an 8 school league, then you form pods Pacific Northwest:
OSU and WSU Norcal:Stanford and Cal Texas:SMU and Rice On Islands by themselves, but not too far away from others, due to being in a major city with direct flights:
SDSU and Tulane I could live with this and as mentioned by another poster have a minimum investment floor for athletics. We spend on sports, the other three have more than enough money to do the same. Facilities, coaches, NIL, everything. The addition would be Gonzaga for basketball or even Gonzaga/St. Marys it would give immediate basketball credibility and March Madness representation while the football side finds its footing, which might take as long as a half decade for some schools. |
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Post by lemkotir on Aug 10, 2023 19:12:30 GMT -8
PAC needs to be agresssive, grab the best of AAC and MWC and sign a 2 year apple contract. This would guarantee a CFP spot for champ and set them up to steal the cbs/fox contract from mwc when it’s up in two years. 1000% If you think about it. If they keep the legacy 4 PAC members, add SDSU and SMU (were 99% about to become P5 schools, before PAC-12 collapsed), Tulane (beat USC in last year's Cotton Bowl) and Rice (I heard they are #1 in baseball, the Alabama/Georgia in that sport, hahaha) Then you have a pretty solid league. I would worry about this league in the next realignment, as Cal and Stanford would eye the B10 at then, but that's so far out.... worry about the "sharks closest to the boat" for now |
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Post by lemkotir on Aug 10, 2023 19:17:46 GMT -8
"...Perhaps Apple, still hungry to gain traction in college sports, would offer the Pac-12 a two-year deal with an annual revenue per school around $12 million. Though a fraction of other Power 5 conferences’ media rights payouts, that would be triple what Cal, Stanford, OSU and WSU could expect in the Mountain West. Such a deal would also provide the Pac-12 the flexibility to renegotiate in a couple of years when the league is — hopefully — on better footing..."
$12M would help PAC-4 schools quite a bit. I believe the current PAC-12 media deal gets them, like $20m/year? But with USC, UCLA, Utah, Arizona left, the post season monies will drop for sure, and that will need to be picked up by schools with success in making noise in the CFP and/or NCAA March Madness
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Post by lemkotir on Aug 10, 2023 19:19:20 GMT -8
Part of what killed the PAC-12 was the S**t media landscape right now, with ESPN in belt tightening mode, and legacy linear carriers spent all their cash in the most round of sports media rights buying spree.
In 2 years, perhaps the landscape will be better ---
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Post by chris92065 on Aug 10, 2023 19:23:53 GMT -8
PAC needs to be agresssive, grab the best of AAC and MWC and sign a 2 year apple contract. This would guarantee a CFP spot for champ and set them up to steal the cbs/fox contract from mwc when it’s up in two years. 1000% If you think about it. If they keep the legacy 4 PAC members, add SDSU and SMU (were 99% about to become P5 schools, before PAC-12 collapsed), Tulane (beat USC in last year's Cotton Bowl) and Rice (I heard they are #1 in baseball, the Alabama/Georgia in that sport, hahaha) Then you have a pretty solid league. I would worry about this league in the next realignment, as Cal and Stanford would eye the B10 at then, but that's so far out.... worry about the "sharks closest to the boat" for now I would be down for this league as well. 8 team conference opens up the ooc schedule for all schools. Rather only play 14 conf bball games and 7 football conference games. As opposed to our bloated conference schedule we have now. |
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Post by ourtime on Aug 10, 2023 19:27:25 GMT -8
1000% If you think about it. If they keep the legacy 4 PAC members, add SDSU and SMU (were 99% about to become P5 schools, before PAC-12 collapsed), Tulane (beat USC in last year's Cotton Bowl) and Rice (I heard they are #1 in baseball, the Alabama/Georgia in that sport, hahaha) Then you have a pretty solid league. I would worry about this league in the next realignment, as Cal and Stanford would eye the B10 at then, but that's so far out.... worry about the "sharks closest to the boat" for now I would be down for this league as well. 8 team conference opens up the ooc schedule for all schools. Rather only play 14 conf bball games and 7 football conference games. As opposed to our bloated conference schedule we have now. Also I would love for SDSU to be associated with these schools academically. |
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Post by lemkotir on Aug 10, 2023 19:31:21 GMT -8
The other factor, which drives value, is the media size market. ustvdb.com/seasons/2022-23/markets/Stanford [3] -- #10 SF/Oakland/San Jose 2.593m California [20] -- already accounted by Stanford Oregon State [151] -- let's say Portland #22 1.293m Washington State [212] -- LOL, what DMA market does Wazzu claim, let's just say 0.500m SMU (2024) [72] -- #5 Dallas/Fort Worth, 3.041m Rice (2024) [15] -- #7 Houston, 2.666m Tulane (2024) [44] -- #50 New Orleans, 0.687m SDSU (2025) [151] -- #30 San Diego, 1.107m That's about 12 million households. Not say these schools OWN the market, but DMA is part of the market valuation formula by media companies I would not add anymore G5 schools, too much dilution. |
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Post by AzTuba85 on Aug 10, 2023 19:38:58 GMT -8
1000% If you think about it. If they keep the legacy 4 PAC members, add SDSU and SMU (were 99% about to become P5 schools, before PAC-12 collapsed), Tulane (beat USC in last year's Cotton Bowl) and Rice (I heard they are #1 in baseball, the Alabama/Georgia in that sport, hahaha) Then you have a pretty solid league. I would worry about this league in the next realignment, as Cal and Stanford would eye the B10 at then, but that's so far out.... worry about the "sharks closest to the boat" for now I would be down for this league as well. 8 team conference opens up the ooc schedule for all schools. Rather only play 14 conf bball games and 7 football conference games. As opposed to our bloated conference schedule we have now. + Gonzaga for Bball and olympic sports 16 conf bball games and 7 conf fball |
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Post by fastaztec on Aug 10, 2023 19:39:15 GMT -8
Eight team PAC conference with sdsu only from the MWC.
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Post by soccer94 on Aug 10, 2023 19:39:54 GMT -8
The other factor, which drives value, is the media size market. ustvdb.com/seasons/2022-23/markets/Stanford [3] -- #10 SF/Oakland/San Jose 2.593m California [20] -- already accounted by Stanford Oregon State [151] -- let's say Portland #22 1.293m Washington State [212] -- LOL, what DMA market does Wazzu claim, let's just say 0.500m SMU (2024) [72] -- #5 Dallas/Fort Worth, 3.041m Rice (2024) [15] -- #7 Houston, 2.666m Tulane (2024) [44] -- #50 New Orleans, 0.687m SDSU (2025) [151] -- #30 San Diego, 1.107m That's about 12 million households. Not say these schools OWN the market, but DMA is part of the market valuation formula by media companies I would not add anymore G5 schools, too much dilution. I would argue that WSU covers a large portion of the Washington market. It is one of the two most important universities in the state, and from my experience ip there, most people are either a UW fan or WSU fan, and they’re all Seahawk fans. On the other hand, SMU and Rice bring a small portion of their large markets. |
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Post by AzTuba85 on Aug 10, 2023 19:46:19 GMT -8
Since Notre Dame is such a vocal proponent of Stanford, bring them in as well (I know a pipe dream...)
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Post by Den60 on Aug 10, 2023 19:46:58 GMT -8
I would be down for this league as well. 8 team conference opens up the ooc schedule for all schools. Rather only play 14 conf bball games and 7 football conference games. As opposed to our bloated conference schedule we have now. + Gonzaga for Bball and olympic sports 16 conf bball games and 7 conf fball I don't see why Gonzaga would leave the WCC for that. |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Aug 10, 2023 19:48:53 GMT -8
You have to knee cap the MW.
It strengthens your conference and adds protection if you lose A5 and need to compete for the last spot in the CFP.
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Post by AzTuba85 on Aug 10, 2023 19:55:43 GMT -8
You have to knee cap the MW. It strengthens your conference and adds protection if you lose A5 and need to compete for the last spot in the CFP. This^ is right out of Yormark's playbook, however I don't see Stanford and Cal going this route. Let's just be happy to be in the conversation at this point. PAC8 conference really doesn't NEED anyone from the MGC and let's face it WE would be the kneecap. Not to mention, it would only get one shot at lobbying the other power conferences for A5 and it needs to be iron clad. I'm sure the PAC4 will get a nod towards a sympathy vote along with a 4-5 school botr that are already on the P5 cusp as it were. |
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Post by greysuit on Aug 10, 2023 20:06:08 GMT -8
Long live the PAC. I like the idea of having SMU but out our exit fee. But is this a long term viable League Cal and Stanford led by Kliavkoff, yeah that’s the ticket Better than the MWC... |
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Post by lemkotir on Aug 10, 2023 20:09:51 GMT -8
If we work with the thesis of the new PAC-12 (PAC-8) are the following schools, then here is the landscape, based on what I've read
Stanford - will find money from its endowment fund to keep athletics going
Cal - if they can get $10-$12m/year in the new PAC, then plus the $10m from UCLA Calimony, then they'll be about equal footing as before in media rights $
Wazzu - its President already said they will raise their low student fee to keep athletics budget at the competitive P5 level
Oregon State - probably will do the same thing as Wazzu
SDSU - we learned to live on MWC shoestring budget money, if we get triple the amount, then we will do more with more
SMU - they have money, from what I heard
Rice - no clue what's going on here
Tulane - no clue what's going on here
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Post by greysuit on Aug 10, 2023 20:14:23 GMT -8
1000% If you think about it. If they keep the legacy 4 PAC members, add SDSU and SMU (were 99% about to become P5 schools, before PAC-12 collapsed), Tulane (beat USC in last year's Cotton Bowl) and Rice (I heard they are #1 in baseball, the Alabama/Georgia in that sport, hahaha) Then you have a pretty solid league. I would worry about this league in the next realignment, as Cal and Stanford would eye the B10 at then, but that's so far out.... worry about the "sharks closest to the boat" for now I would be down for this league as well. 8 team conference opens up the ooc schedule for all schools. Rather only play 14 conf bball games and 7 football conference games. As opposed to our bloated conference schedule we have now. The ACC is going to break apart at the seems soon. I can see staying at 8 for the next few years to see if they can pick up some ACC cast offs (Boston College, Pitt, Louisville, and VA Tech). I could also see Olympic sports (minus basketball) joining the big west to save on travel. |
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