Biden

[aztecryan]

Jul 31, 2023 15:47:10 GMT -8 aztecmusician said:

Jul 31, 2023 15:22:58 GMT -8 aztecryan said:

Okay?

Okay. The Republicans are going to look into this. The days of the light touch GOP are over.

They've been investigating it for several months. It's not new information. It's a circus act to distract from real issues of governance that they have no plan for. Waste of taxpayer money and resources.

[aztecryan]

Jul 31, 2023 15:39:09 GMT -8 johneaztec said:

Jul 31, 2023 15:22:58 GMT -8 aztecryan said:

Okay?

It all ties into the Biden bribe. Biden was in charge of US-Ukraine policy at the time.

Does this sound at all credible to you?

[johneaztec]

Jul 31, 2023 17:29:58 GMT -8 aztecryan said:

Jul 31, 2023 15:39:09 GMT -8 johneaztec said:

It all ties into the Biden bribe. Biden was in charge of US-Ukraine policy at the time.

Does this sound at all credible to you?

Who knows if they'll be able to prove it, but it's pretty obvious what Joe Biden did, which is illicit a bribe.

[aztecryan]

Jul 31, 2023 17:36:31 GMT -8 johneaztec said:

Jul 31, 2023 17:29:58 GMT -8 aztecryan said:

Does this sound at all credible to you?

Who knows of they'll be able to prove it, but it's pretty obvious what Joe Biden did, which is illicit a bribe.

There's that buzzword again.

There's no evidence of a bribe. At all. Saying it's "obvious" doesn't make it true. Still need proof....of which there isn't any. Archer actually testified to that today. When you have a smoking gun, when you have evidence....you don't go on Fox News to broadcast it.

THAT is obvious.

[johneaztec]

Jul 31, 2023 17:40:35 GMT -8 aztecryan said:

Jul 31, 2023 17:36:31 GMT -8 johneaztec said:

Who knows of they'll be able to prove it, but it's pretty obvious what Joe Biden did, which is illicit a bribe.

There's that buzzword again.

There's no evidence of a bribe. At all. Saying it's "obvious" doesn't make it true. Still need proof....of which there isn't any. Archer actually testified to that.

I understand that you need more evidence in a court of law to convict, but some things are just really obvious.

[aztecryan]

Jul 31, 2023 17:43:35 GMT -8 johneaztec said:

Jul 31, 2023 17:40:35 GMT -8 aztecryan said:

There's that buzzword again.

There's no evidence of a bribe. At all. Saying it's "obvious" doesn't make it true. Still need proof....of which there isn't any. Archer actually testified to that.

I understand that you need more evidence in a court of law to convict, but some things are just really obvious.

These are things people say when they can't produce any. It's alright. But, damn.....the ease of belief here. Out of the shallow end of the pool.

[aztecryan]

Jul 31, 2023 17:44:39 GMT -8 aztecryan said:

Jul 31, 2023 17:43:35 GMT -8 johneaztec said:

I understand that you need more evidence in a court of law to convict, but some things are just really obvious.

These are things people say when they can't produce any. It's alright. But, damn.....the ease of belief here. Out of the shallow end of the pool.

"It's obvious."

*Holds up blank sheet of paper*

"SEE?"

[johneaztec]

Jul 31, 2023 17:44:39 GMT -8 aztecryan said:

Jul 31, 2023 17:43:35 GMT -8 johneaztec said:

I understand that you need more evidence in a court of law to convict, but some things are just really obvious.

These are things people say when they can't produce any. It's alright. But, damn.....the ease of belief here. Out of the shallow end of the pool.

Yeah, ok Ryan, you keep telling yourself this.

[johneaztec]

Jul 31, 2023 17:54:33 GMT -8 aztecryan said:

Jul 31, 2023 17:44:39 GMT -8 aztecryan said:

These are things people say when they can't produce any. It's alright. But, damn.....the ease of belief here. Out of the shallow end of the pool.

"It's obvious."

*Holds up blank sheet of paper*

"SEE?"

You sure can be gullible when you want to be.

[aztecryan]

Jul 31, 2023 17:57:06 GMT -8 johneaztec said:

Jul 31, 2023 17:54:33 GMT -8 aztecryan said:

"It's obvious."

*Holds up blank sheet of paper*

"SEE?"

You sure can be gullible when you want to be.

Man...One of us has actually sourced things linked to this investigation a dozen or more times. Interviews, transcripts, articles, legal opinions....You've said and provided nothing but conjecture, pointless analogies and nothing of substance. I asked you what, six times, to provide some shred of proof? All you've done is repeat "it's obvious." Devon Archer, the same guy you want to believe, testified that he had no knowledge of any bribe that ever took place. He was on the board of the company. But you'll take Republicans (who have literally lied at every turn here) at face value because of....what, again?

Look in the mirror if you want to see gullible. I'm not a mark.

[aardvark]

OK, I'm going to throw this out there.

I cannot stand Biden as President, but it's my understanding that during Archer's testimony today, he was not under oath.

There may be truth to what Archer said today, but excuse me for not being convinced as he apparently was not under oath.

This is going to be dragged along for months--as will the Trump indictments.

The entire period leading up to the 2024 presidential elections will probably end up being the biggest political fustercluck in the history of this country, and both major parties will bear responsibility for this.

[aztecryan]

Jul 31, 2023 18:13:27 GMT -8 aardvark said:

OK, I'm going to throw this out there.

I cannot stand Biden as President, but it's my understanding that during Archer's testimony today, he was not under oath.

There may be truth to what Archer said today, but excuse me for not being convinced as he apparently was not under oath.

This is going to be dragged along for months--as will the Trump indictments.

The entire period leading up to the 2024 presidential elections will probably end up being the biggest political fustercluck in the history of this country, and both major parties will bear responsibility for this.

I hadn't seen that reported until just now...and I cannot independently verify it. That actually makes it look worse, optically. Testimony to Congress (assuming full Congress) is, by law, under oath. I suspect we will never know unless it's leaked.

[Fishn'Aztec]

Nice that they had Gymnauseum there, the Sergeant Schultz of OASSU that saw & heard nothink for at least 8 years! Two great detectives Comer & Homer!

[aardvark]

Jul 31, 2023 18:41:59 GMT -8 aztecryan said:

Jul 31, 2023 18:13:27 GMT -8 aardvark said:

OK, I'm going to throw this out there.

I cannot stand Biden as President, but it's my understanding that during Archer's testimony today, he was not under oath.

There may be truth to what Archer said today, but excuse me for not being convinced as he apparently was not under oath.

This is going to be dragged along for months--as will the Trump indictments.

The entire period leading up to the 2024 presidential elections will probably end up being the biggest political fustercluck in the history of this country, and both major parties will bear responsibility for this.

I hadn't seen that reported until just now...and I cannot independently verify it. That actually makes it look worse, optically. Testimony to Congress (assuming full Congress) is, by law, under oath. I suspect we will never know unless it's leaked.

I have heard that the testimony is to be released in a few days, but who knows the level of redactions that will accompany it.

[johneaztec]

Jul 31, 2023 18:07:21 GMT -8 aztecryan said:

Jul 31, 2023 17:57:06 GMT -8 johneaztec said:

You sure can be gullible when you want to be.

Man...One of us has actually sourced things linked to this investigation a dozen or more times. Interviews, transcripts, articles, legal opinions....You've said and provided nothing but conjecture, pointless analogies and nothing of substance. I asked you what, six times, to provide some shred of proof? All you've done is repeat "it's obvious." Devon Archer, the same guy you want to believe, testified that he had no knowledge of any bribe that ever took place. He was on the board of the company. But you'll take Republicans (who have literally lied at every turn here) at face value because of....what, again?

Look in the mirror if you want to see gullible. I'm not a mark.

Just because Devon Archer says that he has no knowledge of the bribe, it's not true? Yeah, looking in the mirror might be a good thing for YOU to do. As for you not being a mark, keep telling yourself that.

[aztecryan]

Jul 31, 2023 22:10:59 GMT -8 johneaztec said:

Jul 31, 2023 18:07:21 GMT -8 aztecryan said:

Man...One of us has actually sourced things linked to this investigation a dozen or more times. Interviews, transcripts, articles, legal opinions....You've said and provided nothing but conjecture, pointless analogies and nothing of substance. I asked you what, six times, to provide some shred of proof? All you've done is repeat "it's obvious." Devon Archer, the same guy you want to believe, testified that he had no knowledge of any bribe that ever took place. He was on the board of the company. But you'll take Republicans (who have literally lied at every turn here) at face value because of....what, again?

Look in the mirror if you want to see gullible. I'm not a mark.

Just because Devon Archer says that he has no knowledge of the bribe, it's not true? Yeah, looking in the mirror might be a good thing for YOU to do. As for you not being a mark, keep telling yourself that.

You expect a guy on the board and a direct partner to not have any knowledge of an alleged multi-million dollar international bribe? Flinging insults just makes you look petty. You already look uninformed here and once again have provided nothing to illustrate your point. Waste of time.

[ptsdthor]

Joe Biden has been forced to walk back lie after lie after lie here. Even the NYT was tasked to revise history for Joe saying "It has long been known that the elder Mr. Biden has at times interacted with his son's business partners". Why lie if what he was doing with Hunter was legitimate and legal?

Please raise your hand if you actually think the reason why Joe was on the phone calls to wealthy foreigners was to discuss the weather?

Hunter and his 10% for the "Big Guy" is out there. Hunter's complaint about having to pay for his dad's upkeep is out there. Why all the complex payment schemes? Why did Joe knowingly say "Where's the money"?

The timing of the Burisma hiring of Hunter, the investigation into Butisma by Shokin, the withholding of a loan by Biden to Ukraine and the firing of Shokin is impeccable. So it was Obama who ordered it all with no knowledge whatsoever that Hunter and the Big Guy were getting rich from Burisma? Gotcha.

And clients from Russia and the CCP. Our enemies (at least they were when Trump was in office). Who are these people (Bidens included)?

How do real people say nothing the Biden's did was illegal? Marks Indeed.

A special counsel is absolutely warranted. Congress can't charge nor act efficiently enough to get to the bottom of these OBVIOUS bribery and racketeering crimes.

[aztecryan]

Aug 1, 2023 6:30:14 GMT -8 ptsdthor said:

Joe Biden has been forced to walk back lie after lie after lie here. Even the NYT was tasked to revise history for Joe saying "It has long been known that the elder Mr. Biden has at times interacted with his son's business partners". Why lie if what he was doing with Hunter was legitimate and legal?

Please raise your hand if you actually think the reason why Joe was on the phone calls to wealthy foreigners was to discuss the weather?

Hunter and his 10% for the "Big Guy" is out there. Hunter's complaint about having to pay for his dad's upkeep is out there. Why all the complex payment schemes? Why did Joe knowingly say "Where's the money"?

The timing of the Burisma hiring of Hunter, the investigation into Butisma by Shokin, the withholding of a loan by Biden to Ukraine and the firing of Shokin is impeccable. So it was Obama who ordered it all with no knowledge whatsoever that Hunter and the Big Guy were getting rich from Burisma? Gotcha.

And clients from Russia and the CCP. Our enemies (at least they were when Trump was in office). Who are these people (Bidens included)?

How do real people say nothing the Biden's did was illegal? Marks Indeed.

A special counsel is absolutely warranted. Congress can't charge nor act efficiently enough to get to the bottom of these OBVIOUS bribery and racketeering crimes.

Because there's no evidence. Pretty simple.

www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/03/what-really-happened-when-biden-forced-out-ukraines-top-prosecutor/3785620002/

What Hunter did was illegal. He was prosecuted/is being prosecuted for it. If we're going to investigate the entire Biden family (private citizens)....then let's investigate everyone associated with the last administration and see what we find.

[bnastyaztecs]

Jul 31, 2023 17:43:35 GMT -8 johneaztec said:

Jul 31, 2023 17:40:35 GMT -8 aztecryan said:

There's that buzzword again.

There's no evidence of a bribe. At all. Saying it's "obvious" doesn't make it true. Still need proof....of which there isn't any. Archer actually testified to that.

I understand that you need more evidence in a court of law to convict, but some things are just really obvious.

Obvious to a person predisposed to believing the worst his/her mind can conjure...to everybody else...not so much.

[aztecryan]

Aug 1, 2023 6:54:35 GMT -8 bnastyaztecs said:

Jul 31, 2023 17:43:35 GMT -8 johneaztec said:

I understand that you need more evidence in a court of law to convict, but some things are just really obvious.

Obvious to a person predisposed to believing the worst his/her mind can conjure...to everybody else...not so much.

Obvious to a person who doesn't believe in nuance, political agenda, complexities of political reality or discerning between propaganda and the truth.