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Post by johneaztec on Mar 28, 2023 8:06:18 GMT -8
I think a big part of it is that that Ref knew, obviously, that it was a play that everyone was watching intently, basically the final play of the game and if he got it wrong, he was going to be graded for that. I think in that situation, since there was hyper focus on it, what happened all game long was thrown out the door and it became an isolated, hyper focused play for the Refs and that particular Ref had the best view, and great angle on it. He obviously felt it was so obvious that he HAD to call a foul. It also didn't hurt that Trammell fell down. Fell, or flopped? LOL I hear ya. Either way, but with the hand/arm on the hip with a push it's not a stretch for a Ref to believe that he was forced to the ground. |
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Post by hoobs on Mar 28, 2023 8:49:37 GMT -8
The fact that it was a player *in the air* with a clearly visible hand/forearm on the hip/back that changes the trajectory of the player in the air resulting in his falling over to the side... that has to make a lot clearer call that has to be made. If DT had been still on one foot, I don't think the physical effect of the push would have been as visually clear and it would have been a no-call. But seeing a guy in the air being pushed to the side / onto the ground is much more visually obvious and I don't know why that wasn't more of a talking point from the pundits, as that makes it a more dangerous play (although I think the NCAA "rules guy" did make a point about 'the shooter was in the air' one or twice).
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Post by johneaztec on Mar 28, 2023 9:13:32 GMT -8
The fact that it was a player *in the air* with a clearly visible hand/forearm on the hip/back that changes the trajectory of the player in the air resulting in his falling over to the side... that has to make a lot clearer call that has to be made. If DT had been still on one foot, I don't think the physical effect of the push would have been as visually clear and it would have been a no-call. But seeing a guy in the air being pushed to the side / onto the ground is much more visually obvious and I don't know why that wasn't more of a talking point from the pundits, as that makes it a more dangerous play (although I think the NCAA "rules guy" did make a point about 'the shooter was in the air' one or twice). Yes. Good point. By being in the air, with contact, it's definitely an easier call for the Official to make. I think some of those pundits are too hard headed about it, and especially the ones who picked against SDSU, since it hurt their egos to be wrong on the outcome of the game. |
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Post by NCAztec82 on Mar 28, 2023 12:23:20 GMT -8
So does that referee crew get "promoted" to work in Houston this week? Doubt it.
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Post by legkick on Mar 28, 2023 12:27:43 GMT -8
So does that referee crew get "promoted" to work in Houston this week? Doubt it. No, they did not. |
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Post by johneaztec on Mar 28, 2023 14:35:58 GMT -8
So does that referee crew get "promoted" to work in Houston this week? Doubt it. Too bad they can't take the one Ref who had the balls enough to make that call. I understand that they choose a whole crew, but..... |
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Post by AzTex on Mar 28, 2023 17:28:16 GMT -8
The fact that it was a player *in the air* with a clearly visible hand/forearm on the hip/back that changes the trajectory of the player in the air resulting in his falling over to the side... that has to make a lot clearer call that has to be made. If DT had been still on one foot, I don't think the physical effect of the push would have been as visually clear and it would have been a no-call. But seeing a guy in the air being pushed to the side / onto the ground is much more visually obvious and I don't know why that wasn't more of a talking point from the pundits, as that makes it a more dangerous play (although I think the NCAA "rules guy" did make a point about 'the shooter was in the air' one or twice). Yes. Good point. By being in the air, with contact, it's definitely an easier call for the Official to make. I think some of those pundits are too hard headed about it, and especially the ones who picked against SDSU, since it hurt their egos to be wrong on the outcome of the game. You can see DT's hip turning as a result of the push. |
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Post by mfaulkhof2011 on Mar 28, 2023 17:32:23 GMT -8
Yes. Good point. By being in the air, with contact, it's definitely an easier call for the Official to make. I think some of those pundits are too hard headed about it, and especially the ones who picked against SDSU, since it hurt their egos to be wrong on the outcome of the game. You can see DT's hip turning as a result of the push. The foul has to be called when Trammell blows by Nebhard. Clearly pulling down on the hip because he was beat is a foul and affected the shot. I hate the late ticky tack foul on a shooter when he hits the hand after the ball is gone or the new era call that the defender's momentum took him into the shooter's landing spot in that situation. However, in this case Trammell beat him and Nebhard did what he could to alter what was a pretty good look from about 8-10 feet. It clearly affected the shot and was a good call. |
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Post by johneaztec on Mar 28, 2023 17:33:01 GMT -8
Yes. Good point. By being in the air, with contact, it's definitely an easier call for the Official to make. I think some of those pundits are too hard headed about it, and especially the ones who picked against SDSU, since it hurt their egos to be wrong on the outcome of the game. You can see DT's hip turning as a result of the push. Yes, it's plain to see. If a person doesn't have an agenda, they'll say it's a clear foul that should be called. |
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Post by johneaztec on Mar 28, 2023 17:38:35 GMT -8
You can see DT's hip turning as a result of the push. The foul has to be called when Trammell blows by Nebhard. Clearly pulling down on the hip because he was beat is a foul and affected the shot. I hate the late ticky tack foul on a shooter when he hits the hand after the ball is gone or the new era call that the defender's momentum took him into the shooter's landing spot in that situation. However, in this case Trammell beat him and Nebhard did what he could to alter what was a pretty good look from about 8-10 feet. It clearly affected the shot and was a good call. Yes, good point. I also don't like the ticky tack foul where the defender taps the shooters fingers, clearly not affecting the shot at all. But, in this case Nembhard needed to slow Trammell down after Trammell blew by him, so he did what he could, but illegally. I don't blame him, and a lot of times, unfortunately, they won't call a foul no matter how egregious it was, which gives the defender an unfair advantage every single time in that situation, except, thankfully, not in this game. |
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Post by AzTex on Mar 28, 2023 17:39:01 GMT -8
You can see DT's hip turning as a result of the push. The foul has to be called when Trammell blows by Nebhard. Clearly pulling down on the hip because he was beat is a foul and affected the shot. I hate the late ticky tack foul on a shooter when he hits the hand after the ball is gone or the new era call that the defender's momentum took him into the shooter's landing spot in that situation. However, in this case Trammell beat him and Nebhard did what he could to alter what was a pretty good look from about 8-10 feet. It clearly affected the shot and was a good call. When the talking heads were complaining about the foul call, one or more of them opining that the hand on the hip didn't change shot (idiots) I talked about exactly what you brought up. A hand on the arm after the shot is away does not affect whether the shot is going to be good or not. But under the rules it's still a foul. |
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Post by azson on Mar 29, 2023 9:37:36 GMT -8
I got caught up via YouTube last night on all of the fallout/talking heads complaining about the foul call. One thing they brought up, that I actually agree with, is that the refs were letting them play all game long and only calling egregious fouls, and it was only in the last seconds that a relatively soft foul was called. And that is the main reason McDermott was rightfully so pissed at the ref that made the call. That said, after 50 years of SD sports' moments like that going against my teams, finally one went for my team. So all I have to say to CU fans is "Welcome to the party! Now you know how it feels to be gut punched. Experience another lifetime of those and then let's talk."  |
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Post by johneaztec on Mar 29, 2023 10:01:27 GMT -8
I got caught up via YouTube last night on all of the fallout/talking heads complaining about the foul call. One thing they brought up, that I actually agree with, is that the refs were letting them play all game long and only calling egregious fouls, and it was only in the last seconds that a relatively soft foul was called. And that is the main reason McDermott was rightfully so pissed at the ref that made the call. That said, after 50 years of SD sports' moments like that going against my teams, finally one went for my team. So all I have to say to CU fans is "Welcome to the party! Now you know how it feels to be gut punched. Experience another lifetime of those and then let's talk." I hear ya. It's our time, dang it!!! Also, to me, it seems as though when a game is on its basically last play of the game, everything goes out the door on what happened previously in the game, because there's hyper focus on this one play from the Refs and the whole Nation. It's like it's a single, one play game of its own. Like a one play, one on one situation, with the ball coming out of bounds and the Refs would be in their best positions. I think the Ref felt that it was so obvious, he needed to call it even though you have some Refs that would swallow their whistles on it. |
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Post by myownwords on Mar 29, 2023 10:22:26 GMT -8
I got caught up via YouTube last night on all of the fallout/talking heads complaining about the foul call. One thing they brought up, that I actually agree with, is that the refs were letting them play all game long and only calling egregious fouls, and it was only in the last seconds that a relatively soft foul was called. And that is the main reason McDermott was rightfully so pissed at the ref that made the call. That said, after 50 years of SD sports' moments like that going against my teams, finally one went for my team. So all I have to say to CU fans is "Welcome to the party! Now you know how it feels to be gut punched. Experience another lifetime of those and then let's talk." AND YET, if the situation were reversed, the "outrage" expressed by those same people would have been short and attenuated to nothing by Monday---because the "right" school had joined the party. |
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Post by NCAztec82 on Mar 29, 2023 11:12:52 GMT -8
The other side of the case is a valid one, and probably explains why the referee crew will no longer be a part of the tournament. They were inconsistent in their calls,
and we were the beneficiaries of the refs poor performance. Move on to the FAU game for goodness sake.
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Post by zbt69 on Mar 29, 2023 21:26:46 GMT -8
I got caught up via YouTube last night on all of the fallout/talking heads complaining about the foul call. One thing they brought up, that I actually agree with, is that the refs were letting them play all game long and only calling egregious fouls, and it was only in the last seconds that a relatively soft foul was called. And that is the main reason McDermott was rightfully so pissed at the ref that made the call. That said, after 50 years of SD sports' moments like that going against my teams, finally one went for my team. So all I have to say to CU fans is "Welcome to the party! Now you know how it feels to be gut punched. Experience another lifetime of those and then let's talk." AND YET, if the situation were reversed, the "outrage" expressed by those same people would have been short and attenuated to nothing by Monday---because the "right" school had joined the party. I have got to say I'm so tried of fans make comments about the foul call that it shouldn't have been called. First of all the way the foul was committed with a push to the hip area is to try and hide the foul from the ref because it is so hard for the ref to see. It is a very effective way to influence the projectory of the shot. The push was to the left and the shot went to left. This was the propose of the foul. To not call this just because it was near the end of the game would have been ridiculous and not fair to the offense player. So please stop the comments. It sounds like you have never played the game. |
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Post by johneaztec on Mar 29, 2023 23:24:07 GMT -8
AND YET, if the situation were reversed, the "outrage" expressed by those same people would have been short and attenuated to nothing by Monday---because the "right" school had joined the party. I have got to say I'm so tried of fans make comments about the foul call that it shouldn't have been called. First of all the way the foul was committed with a push to the hip area is to try and hide the foul from the ref because it is so hard for the ref to see. It is a very effective way to influence the projectory of the shot. The push was to the left and the shot went to left. This was the propose of the foul. To not call this just because it was near the end of the game would have been ridiculous and not fair to the offense player. So please stop the comments. It sounds like you have never played the game. Yes, and thankfully the Ref was in position to see it and make the correct call. |
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Post by Old School on Mar 30, 2023 7:45:45 GMT -8
The road thus far...
Oldie Out
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Post by azson on Mar 30, 2023 11:38:23 GMT -8
The road thus far... Oldie Out No better clip epitomizes this team than the one at the 0:33 mark: AG gets faked out of his shoes on the drive, shooter's gotta be feeling good about his juke and the easy bucket he's about to get...little does he know Money Matt and LeBEAST are about to slam the door! Offenses trying to score on the Aztecs be like...  |
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Post by sdsuball on Mar 30, 2023 13:06:38 GMT -8
The other side of the case is a valid one, and probably explains why the referee crew will no longer be a part of the tournament. They were inconsistent in their calls, and we were the beneficiaries of the refs poor performance. Move on to the FAU game for goodness sake. I wouldn't say that we were the beneficiary of their performance - just on that specific play we were. They called 11 fouls on both teams, and Creighton shot more free throws |
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