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Post by The Aztec Panther on Sept 21, 2022 21:44:27 GMT -8
Let's talk about God. He did some really horrible stuff. I mean, sadistic, heinous, psychopathic stuff... 1) Sending Bears to Murder Children So a guy named Eliseus was traveling to Bethel when a bunch of kids popped up and made fun of him for being bald. That had to suck, and you can't blame Eliseus for being pissed and cursing them to God. But God had Eliseus' back, by which I mean he sent two bears to maul 42 of these kids to death. For making fun of a bald dude. I have to think Eliseus was looking for something along the lines of a spanking, or maybe the poetic justice of having the kids go bald, but nope, God went straight for the bear murder. But on the plus side, that pile of 40+ children's corpses never made fun of anybody again. (4 Kings 2:23-24) 2) Turning Lot's Wife to Salt Most folks know about the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, two cities of sin God decided to kill everyone in instead of, you know, making them not full of sin. But this was a town that, when two angels were staying at Lot's place, gathered en masse and asked if they could rape them. I repeat: They wanted to rape angels. So they kind of had their destruction coming. Lot and his family were sent from the city before things went down, and Lot's wife looked back, and God turned her into a pillar of salt. It's generally understood that Lot's wife was looking back in a wistful kind of way at her angel-raping hometown, but the fact is there's nothing in the Bible to suggest this. Nor was Lot's family warned about looking back. Maybe Lot's wife wanted to see Sodom and Gomorrah get what was coming to it. Maybe she was thinking wistfully of the things she had to leave behind. Maybe she wondered if she had left the oven on. We'll never know, because God turned her into seasoning for breaking a rule she didn't know existed. (Genesis 19:26) 3) Hating Ugly People In what should be good news for intolerant religious conservatives, God really does hate people who are different from the norm. Of course, God isn't as worried about skin color or sexual orientation as he is about whether you're ugly or not. Because if you're ugly, you can just go worship some other god, okay? (Even though God will punish you if you do and also they don't exist.) Here's the people God does not want coming into his churches: People with blemishes, blind people, the lame, those with flat noses, dwarves, people with scurvy, people with bad eyes, people with bad skin, and those that "hath their stones broken." Given that God is technically responsible for giving people all of these afflictions in the first place, this is an enormous dick move. (Leviticus 21:17-24) 4) Trying to Kill Moses In terms of people who God likes, you'd think Moses would be pretty high up on the list, right? I mean, God appointed him to lead the Jews out of Egypt, parted the Red Sea for him, and even picked him to receive the 10 Commandments, right? Yet this didn't stop God from trying to kill Moses when he ran into him at "a lodging place." There is literally no explanation given in the Bible for God's decision to murder one of his chief supporters. The line is "At a lodging place on the way, the Lord met Moses and was about to kill him." The only sensible explanation for this is that God was drunk out of his mind and looking for a bar fight, and you better hope that's correct because the alternative is that God's a psychopath. How was God stopped from murdering his #1 fan? "But [Moses' wife] Zipporah took a flint knife, cut off her son's foreskin and touched Moses' feet with it ... So the Lord let him alone." Either the sight of a very unexpected circumcision sobered God up quickly, or he didn't want to touch a dude who just touched a severed foreskin. Still, it's Moses' son who's the real victim here. (Exodus 4:24-26) 5) Committing So Much Genocide God has killed so many people, you guys. Okay, I mean technically, God has killed everyone if you subscribe to Judeo-Christian thought, but I'm not talking about indirect methods, I'm talking about God murdering countless people in horrible ways simply because he's pissed off. God drowning every single person on the planet besides Noah and his family is pretty well known, but he also helped the Israelites murder everyone in Jericho, Heshbon, Bashan and many more, usually killing women, children and animals at the same time. Hell, God once helped some Israelites kill 500,000 other Israelites. God's crazy. 6) Ordering His Underlings to Kill Their Own Children God is obviously good at big picture dickishness, but he also took the time to be a dick on a more personal level. Abraham was another devout man God decided to f x x x with, apparently because he knew he could. God ordered him to sacrifice his son to God (God was a fan of human sacrifice at the time). We know Abraham loved his son, so he was probably kind of upset with this, but hey, God's God. So Abraham tricked his unsuspecting son up a mountain onto a sacrificial altar and prepared to murder him. This story actually has a happy ending, in that right before Abraham drove a knife into his son's throat, God yelled "Psych!" and told him it was only a test. And then Abraham received some blessings after that for being willing to kill his own child at God's whim. And all it took was the dread of being forced to kill his own child on behalf of his angry deity and, presumably, a $#!+-ton of awkward family dinners for the rest of his life. Abraham got off better than Jephthah, who had to follow through with murdering his daughter (burning her alive, specifically) in order to get on God's good side before battling the Ammonites. (Genesis 22:1-12) 7) Killing Egyptian Babies Let's be completely up front: The Egyptians and the Jews did not get along. According to the Bible, the Egyptians enslaved the Jews, but the Jews had God on their side, if you kind of ignore God letting his people be enslaved in the first place. Rather getting his worshippers the hell out of there, God wanted to show those damned Egyptians what for, releasing 10 plagues that began with turning the river Nile into pure blood, and ending with the slaughter of the first-born of every single Egyptian man and animal. Now, I suppose it's possible that some, or even most of these first-borns were adults who were s#!++y to the Israelites. But some of them were babies who didn't even have the time to persecute the Jews yet. And what the hell did the animals do to the Jews to get caught up in this nightmare? You realize there were cats in Egypt, right? Cats who had first-borns? God killed kittens. (Numbers 16:41-49) 9) Helping Samson Murder People to Pay Off a Bet More evidence that God is possibly a low-level mobster: When his pal Samson got married, he was given 30 friends, and he posed them (a completely insane) riddle. Then he made a bet that if they could solve it in a week, Samson would give them all new clothes, but if they couldn't they would give Samson 30 pairs of new clothes. Well, Samson's wife wheedled the answer out of him and then told these dudes, at which point an angry Samson had to pay up. And here's where God comes in — literally, into Samson, giving him the power to murder 30 random people for their clothes. Only a true friend would help you commit mass murder to settle a completely stupid bet. (Judges 14:1-19) 10) Trying to Wrestle a Guy, Cheating, and Still Losing And here's more evidence that God is a drunk maniac: Jacob was traveling with his two wives, his 11 kids, and all his earthly possessions and had sent them across a river. At that moment, a guy essentially leapt out of the bushes and started wrestling. It's God! They wrestle all night, and God cannot beat Jacob, so he uses his magic God powers to wrench Jacob's hip out of its socket. But Jacob still won't let him out of a headlock until God blesses him, because Jacob has figured out who this bizarre man is. God blesses him and wanders off, presumably to go get in a bar fight somewhere. (Genesis 32: 22-31) 11) Killing People for Complaining About God Killing Them To be fair, after God freed the Israelites from Egyptian slavery, they were extraordinarily bitchy about not instantly being in a land of milk and honey. It got so bad that God was ready to kill all of them and let Moses start the Jews over, although Moses managed to talk him out of it. But one of their more sensible complaints was that Moses was lording himself over the rest of them, which was probably true, seeing as God had given him the 10 Commandments and all that. So Moses summoned the three tribal elders who had made the complaint to a Monday morning staff meeting, but two of them didn't come. Neither Moses nor God cared for that, and God opened up the grounds beneath their people's tents, killing both tribes (God also set fire to 250 Israelite princes who'd made the same complaint). Having been well admonished that Moses was putting himself above the rest of the people with God's permission, a number of surviving Israelites were kind of pissed that Moses and God had killed so many of their fellow people to prove a point. God responded by killing another 14,700 of them with a plague. The complaints stopped. (Numbers 16:1-49) 12) Everything He Did to Job Oh, Job. Other than a $#!+-ton of babies, no one had it worse in the Bible than Job, who was a righteous, good-hearted man who believed in God with every fiber in his being — which is when God decides to see how miserable he can make this dude before he gets upset. Note: This is a result of a bet between God and Satan. Also note: The bet is God's idea. He's literally just hanging out with Satan — which is kinda weird when you think about it — when he started bragging about how awesome Job is. Satan points out that Job's pretty blessed — he's rich, he's got a lot of kids, etc., and he probably wouldn't be quite so thrilled with God if he didn't have that stuff. God downs his bourbon, presumably, and tells Satan he can mess with Job all he wants. Satan does. He kills all of Job's children and animals, burns down his house, destroys his wealth, and then covers him in boils. Job doesn't curse God, but he does wish he'd never been born (literally) and begs God to kill him, but no dice. This lasts a long time until finally Job wonders why a just God would be so cruel. This is when God pops up and basically tells him, "Shut up, I don't have to explain anything to you." Job, having finally done something wrong, pleads for mercy, and God eventually gives him back animals and children — new ones, because the old ones are still dead. Because of a bet. That God made with Satan. For kicks. (Job 1)  DAMN!!!!! |
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 21, 2022 22:01:47 GMT -8
Let's talk about God. He did some really horrible stuff. I mean, sadistic, heinous, psychopathic stuff... 1) Sending Bears to Murder Children So a guy named Eliseus was traveling to Bethel when a bunch of kids popped up and made fun of him for being bald. That had to suck, and you can't blame Eliseus for being pissed and cursing them to God. But God had Eliseus' back, by which I mean he sent two bears to maul 42 of these kids to death. For making fun of a bald dude. I have to think Eliseus was looking for something along the lines of a spanking, or maybe the poetic justice of having the kids go bald, but nope, God went straight for the bear murder. But on the plus side, that pile of 40+ children's corpses never made fun of anybody again. (4 Kings 2:23-24) 2) Turning Lot's Wife to Salt Most folks know about the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, two cities of sin God decided to kill everyone in instead of, you know, making them not full of sin. But this was a town that, when two angels were staying at Lot's place, gathered en masse and asked if they could rape them. I repeat: They wanted to rape angels. So they kind of had their destruction coming. Lot and his family were sent from the city before things went down, and Lot's wife looked back, and God turned her into a pillar of salt. It's generally understood that Lot's wife was looking back in a wistful kind of way at her angel-raping hometown, but the fact is there's nothing in the Bible to suggest this. Nor was Lot's family warned about looking back. Maybe Lot's wife wanted to see Sodom and Gomorrah get what was coming to it. Maybe she was thinking wistfully of the things she had to leave behind. Maybe she wondered if she had left the oven on. We'll never know, because God turned her into seasoning for breaking a rule she didn't know existed. (Genesis 19:26) 3) Hating Ugly People In what should be good news for intolerant religious conservatives, God really does hate people who are different from the norm. Of course, God isn't as worried about skin color or sexual orientation as he is about whether you're ugly or not. Because if you're ugly, you can just go worship some other god, okay? (Even though God will punish you if you do and also they don't exist.) Here's the people God does not want coming into his churches: People with blemishes, blind people, the lame, those with flat noses, dwarves, people with scurvy, people with bad eyes, people with bad skin, and those that "hath their stones broken." Given that God is technically responsible for giving people all of these afflictions in the first place, this is an enormous dick move. (Leviticus 21:17-24) 4) Trying to Kill Moses In terms of people who God likes, you'd think Moses would be pretty high up on the list, right? I mean, God appointed him to lead the Jews out of Egypt, parted the Red Sea for him, and even picked him to receive the 10 Commandments, right? Yet this didn't stop God from trying to kill Moses when he ran into him at "a lodging place." There is literally no explanation given in the Bible for God's decision to murder one of his chief supporters. The line is "At a lodging place on the way, the Lord met Moses and was about to kill him." The only sensible explanation for this is that God was drunk out of his mind and looking for a bar fight, and you better hope that's correct because the alternative is that God's a psychopath. How was God stopped from murdering his #1 fan? "But [Moses' wife] Zipporah took a flint knife, cut off her son's foreskin and touched Moses' feet with it ... So the Lord let him alone." Either the sight of a very unexpected circumcision sobered God up quickly, or he didn't want to touch a dude who just touched a severed foreskin. Still, it's Moses' son who's the real victim here. (Exodus 4:24-26) 5) Committing So Much Genocide God has killed so many people, you guys. Okay, I mean technically, God has killed everyone if you subscribe to Judeo-Christian thought, but I'm not talking about indirect methods, I'm talking about God murdering countless people in horrible ways simply because he's pissed off. God drowning every single person on the planet besides Noah and his family is pretty well known, but he also helped the Israelites murder everyone in Jericho, Heshbon, Bashan and many more, usually killing women, children and animals at the same time. Hell, God once helped some Israelites kill 500,000 other Israelites. God's crazy. 6) Ordering His Underlings to Kill Their Own Children God is obviously good at big picture dickishness, but he also took the time to be a dick on a more personal level. Abraham was another devout man God decided to f x x x with, apparently because he knew he could. God ordered him to sacrifice his son to God (God was a fan of human sacrifice at the time). We know Abraham loved his son, so he was probably kind of upset with this, but hey, God's God. So Abraham tricked his unsuspecting son up a mountain onto a sacrificial altar and prepared to murder him. This story actually has a happy ending, in that right before Abraham drove a knife into his son's throat, God yelled "Psych!" and told him it was only a test. And then Abraham received some blessings after that for being willing to kill his own child at God's whim. And all it took was the dread of being forced to kill his own child on behalf of his angry deity and, presumably, a $#!+-ton of awkward family dinners for the rest of his life. Abraham got off better than Jephthah, who had to follow through with murdering his daughter (burning her alive, specifically) in order to get on God's good side before battling the Ammonites. (Genesis 22:1-12) 7) Killing Egyptian Babies Let's be completely up front: The Egyptians and the Jews did not get along. According to the Bible, the Egyptians enslaved the Jews, but the Jews had God on their side, if you kind of ignore God letting his people be enslaved in the first place. Rather getting his worshippers the hell out of there, God wanted to show those damned Egyptians what for, releasing 10 plagues that began with turning the river Nile into pure blood, and ending with the slaughter of the first-born of every single Egyptian man and animal. Now, I suppose it's possible that some, or even most of these first-borns were adults who were s#!++y to the Israelites. But some of them were babies who didn't even have the time to persecute the Jews yet. And what the hell did the animals do to the Jews to get caught up in this nightmare? You realize there were cats in Egypt, right? Cats who had first-borns? God killed kittens. (Numbers 16:41-49) 9) Helping Samson Murder People to Pay Off a Bet More evidence that God is possibly a low-level mobster: When his pal Samson got married, he was given 30 friends, and he posed them (a completely insane) riddle. Then he made a bet that if they could solve it in a week, Samson would give them all new clothes, but if they couldn't they would give Samson 30 pairs of new clothes. Well, Samson's wife wheedled the answer out of him and then told these dudes, at which point an angry Samson had to pay up. And here's where God comes in — literally, into Samson, giving him the power to murder 30 random people for their clothes. Only a true friend would help you commit mass murder to settle a completely stupid bet. (Judges 14:1-19) 10) Trying to Wrestle a Guy, Cheating, and Still Losing And here's more evidence that God is a drunk maniac: Jacob was traveling with his two wives, his 11 kids, and all his earthly possessions and had sent them across a river. At that moment, a guy essentially leapt out of the bushes and started wrestling. It's God! They wrestle all night, and God cannot beat Jacob, so he uses his magic God powers to wrench Jacob's hip out of its socket. But Jacob still won't let him out of a headlock until God blesses him, because Jacob has figured out who this bizarre man is. God blesses him and wanders off, presumably to go get in a bar fight somewhere. (Genesis 32: 22-31) 11) Killing People for Complaining About God Killing Them To be fair, after God freed the Israelites from Egyptian slavery, they were extraordinarily bitchy about not instantly being in a land of milk and honey. It got so bad that God was ready to kill all of them and let Moses start the Jews over, although Moses managed to talk him out of it. But one of their more sensible complaints was that Moses was lording himself over the rest of them, which was probably true, seeing as God had given him the 10 Commandments and all that. So Moses summoned the three tribal elders who had made the complaint to a Monday morning staff meeting, but two of them didn't come. Neither Moses nor God cared for that, and God opened up the grounds beneath their people's tents, killing both tribes (God also set fire to 250 Israelite princes who'd made the same complaint). Having been well admonished that Moses was putting himself above the rest of the people with God's permission, a number of surviving Israelites were kind of pissed that Moses and God had killed so many of their fellow people to prove a point. God responded by killing another 14,700 of them with a plague. The complaints stopped. (Numbers 16:1-49) 12) Everything He Did to Job Oh, Job. Other than a $#!+-ton of babies, no one had it worse in the Bible than Job, who was a righteous, good-hearted man who believed in God with every fiber in his being — which is when God decides to see how miserable he can make this dude before he gets upset. Note: This is a result of a bet between God and Satan. Also note: The bet is God's idea. He's literally just hanging out with Satan — which is kinda weird when you think about it — when he started bragging about how awesome Job is. Satan points out that Job's pretty blessed — he's rich, he's got a lot of kids, etc., and he probably wouldn't be quite so thrilled with God if he didn't have that stuff. God downs his bourbon, presumably, and tells Satan he can mess with Job all he wants. Satan does. He kills all of Job's children and animals, burns down his house, destroys his wealth, and then covers him in boils. Job doesn't curse God, but he does wish he'd never been born (literally) and begs God to kill him, but no dice. This lasts a long time until finally Job wonders why a just God would be so cruel. This is when God pops up and basically tells him, "Shut up, I don't have to explain anything to you." Job, having finally done something wrong, pleads for mercy, and God eventually gives him back animals and children — new ones, because the old ones are still dead. Because of a bet. That God made with Satan. For kicks. (Job 1) DAMN!!!!! Wait a minute. How can God be a dick if all of this is fiction? I thought there was no God?? |
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 21, 2022 22:12:30 GMT -8
There were 2 covenants. The Old and New Testaments. The world was different back then. I'll get back to you tomorrow concerning this, but don't take things out of context. Read some more about the issues you've presented. Talk to you tomorrow.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Sept 21, 2022 22:51:40 GMT -8
There were 2 covenants. The Old and New Testaments. The world was different back then. I'll get back to you tomorrow concerning this, but don't take things out of context. Read some more about the issues you've presented. Talk to you tomorrow. Right is right and wrong is wrong - and what, "God," did in those cases was as wrong as possible (of course I don't believe they actually happened, but if you do God's got a lot of 'splainin' to do). Seriously, that is sadistic, psychopathic behavior. I don't care if the world was different. That kind of behavior is utterly unacceptable. Thank goodness God isn't real and the Bible is fiction, because if it were real we'd all be screwed. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Sept 21, 2022 23:13:39 GMT -8
More interesting and fascinating details from the Bible, the New Testament this time...
Lots of death and victim shaming in the Bible.
Lots of inequality and oppression, too.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Sept 23, 2022 8:07:26 GMT -8
johneaztec - Well? There's an awful lot in the Bible that I'm sure you don't like, or even believe. And that's the thing about being a modern Christian. You either have to pick and choose which parts of the Bible are acceptable and you follow, and which parts are not acceptable (thererfore either becoming, "Metaphors," or complete misinterpretations), or you follow the whole thing and are branded a nutjob. So if you can pick and choose which parts of the Bible are real, or are acceptable, how can you believe any of it? It's either all 100% accurate, or none of it can be taken as accurate. You can't just pick and choose the parts of the Bible that you like and agree with.
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 23, 2022 16:41:08 GMT -8
johneaztec - Well? There's an awful lot in the Bible that I'm sure you don't like, or even believe. And that's the thing about being a modern Christian. You either have to pick and choose which parts of the Bible are acceptable and you follow, and which parts are not acceptable (thererfore either becoming, "Metaphors," or complete misinterpretations), or you follow the whole thing and are branded a nutjob. So if you can pick and choose which parts of the Bible are real, or are acceptable, how can you believe any of it? It's either all 100% accurate, or none of it can be taken as accurate. You can't just pick and choose the parts of the Bible that you like and agree with. I believe in everything that the Bible says, and is about. God is our Heavenly father. He created us, and he had laws/rules for the different times in civilization, because that's what it required. Remember, you have to put things in context. In the Old Testament times, there was much chaos and unruly behavior throughout the world. Man's laws were not upheld. It was a free - for- all lifestyle. God had to get his point across in those times, to stop this behavior. For example, the situation that you brought up where the bears attacked forty two people and killed them, was a situation where those forty two people would be considered a gang nowadays. They messed around with one of Gods disciple's and the lessoned was learned not to. They were also mocking God. Considering the Amalekites, they were wicked people who tortured children, women, etc... God's acts of this nature we're not against innocent people. They were against VERY wicked people. Just like in a War, there are situations where good must defend against evil and people die as a result. Sodom and Gomorrah is another example. Like I said, those were VERY different times back then. God's wrath needed to come out at times. In God's wisdom, he knew he needed to take these measures for future generations. It was VERY evil times. God needed to make himself known during that era. In the New Testament times, God sent his Son to the world to spread the news of what will happen if you don't repent of your evil ways, and how to receive the gift of an eternal life in bliss. Unfortunately, Jesus lost his life during this process. So, just like in a War, sometimes harsh decisions need to made. Back then there were no Police, etc.... It was pretty much gluttony, so to speak. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Sept 23, 2022 20:48:29 GMT -8
johneaztec - Well? There's an awful lot in the Bible that I'm sure you don't like, or even believe. And that's the thing about being a modern Christian. You either have to pick and choose which parts of the Bible are acceptable and you follow, and which parts are not acceptable (thererfore either becoming, "Metaphors," or complete misinterpretations), or you follow the whole thing and are branded a nutjob. So if you can pick and choose which parts of the Bible are real, or are acceptable, how can you believe any of it? It's either all 100% accurate, or none of it can be taken as accurate. You can't just pick and choose the parts of the Bible that you like and agree with. I believe in everything that the Bible says, and is about. God is our Heavenly father. He created us, and he had laws/rules for the different times in civilization, because that's what it required. Remember, you have to put things in context. In the Old Testament times, there was much chaos and unruly behavior throughout the world. Man's laws were not upheld. It was a free - for- all lifestyle. God had to get his point across in those times, to stop this behavior. For example, the situation that you brought up where the bears attacked forty two people and killed them, was a situation where those forty two people would be considered a gang nowadays. They messed around with one of Gods disciple's and the lessoned was learned not to. They were also mocking God. Considering the Amalekites, they were wicked people who tortured children, women, etc... God's acts of this nature we're not against innocent people. They were against VERY wicked people. Just like in a War, there are situations where good must defend against evil and people die as a result. Sodom and Gomorrah is another example. Like I said, those were VERY different times back then. God's wrath needed to come out at times. In God's wisdom, he knew he needed to take these measures for future generations. It was VERY evil times. God needed to make himself known during that era. In the New Testament times, God sent his Son to the world to spread the news of what will happen if you don't repent of your evil ways, and how to receive the gift of an eternal life in bliss. Unfortunately, Jesus lost his life during this process. So, just like in a War, sometimes harsh decisions need to made. Back then there were no Police, etc.... It was pretty much gluttony, so to speak. They were children that God supposedly sent the bears to kill. And what about the whole, "Well if you rape a girl, you just have to pay her father off and marry her," thing? What about the supporting slavery thing? What about the discrimination against women? What about all the vile, reprehensible, sadistic stuff God did to Job just for the heck of it? There is a ton of vile $#!+ in the Bible. If you believe in all of that you are not a good person. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Sept 26, 2022 20:16:38 GMT -8
How about this stuff, johneaztec? The men of her town shall stone her to death.(Deuteronomy 22:20–21) What do you do if your daughter loses her virginity before marriage? Be careful how you answer—because this is what the Bible clearly says: If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the young woman’s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done an outrageous thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house. You must purge the evil from among you. Seriously? I mean, you can be judgmental if you want and say that her morals are lacking if that's what you believe, but to stone her to death for it? Come on. Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.(Leviticus 20:9) Seems harsh, right? Too bad. Ouch. I guess my daughter should face the death penalty many times over, then. Now that I think about it, I'm in a bit of a gray area. I've never actually cursed (at or otherwise) my father, but I have argued with him on occasion. Uh-oh. God's gonna be pissed! Deformed People Cannot Approach God"For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous, Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded, Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken. No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the Lord made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God." (Leviticus 21:18-21) Christians are always saying God loves everyone but this list of "or"s excludes a whole group of people who actually have no control over what they look like most of the time. From something as superficial as a flat nose to once again with the "broken stones" (Women may be inferior in God's eyes, but he sure knows how to make a man feel worthless.) Congrats God, you've found a way to hold every disabled and unprotected person responsible for things out of their control and make them feel like crap about it. If you're born out of wedlock you can't go to Church, and god doesn't love you."A bitched shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord." (Deuteronomy 23:2) A bitched is someone who was born outside of wedlock, which means you were born before your parents were married. Being born out of wedlock makes you filthy, apparently; so filthy in fact that it takes ten genetic steps down the line to wash how filthy it makes you. So your family's 100% awesome to come to church in like a century or two if you're a bitched, which I guess is fair. Wait, but what if your dad abandoned you and your mom after she had given birth to you... that means you're going to be held responsible and deprived of God's love... God himself will kill tens of thousands if it pleases him: 1st Samuel 6:19 in the King James Version: “And he smote the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the LORD, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men (50,070)”. Kill 50 000 men for looking at something? God encourages the murder of pagan children—and infants(Hosea 13:4, 9, 16) You shall acknowledge no God but me. . . . You are destroyed, Israel. . . . The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open. Wait... what? Ummmm... Doesn't that sound like a really bad, over the top horror movie from the 80's? God really is a sadistic a-hole. Needy, narcissistic, insecure, cruel... Come on. Any advanced, superior being is going to be beyond that kind of behavior, but that's what fills the Bible. Not a God of love and compassion and caring, but a God of harsh rules and punishment - and sadism, all based on feelings of insecurity and a need to be worshipped. Kind of sounds like spoiled kid (if the kid was the child of a Czar in Russia, or one of Saddam's kids). I mean, it’s kind of hard to maintain a pro-life stance in the face of this clear statement in the Bible. God's all about killing the unborn, apparently. Well, he likes to kill a lot of people for minor transgressions. Seriously, you read that stuff and it reads like the worst psychopathic behavior ever. Stuff that makes Hitler and Pol Pot seem like amateurs. And this is all from The Bible. It's not what someone else is making up, it's actually IN the Bible, just like the stuff posted above. And there's lots more like it. As in, how about the great flood. God killed almost everyone on Earth just because he didn't like how they were behaving. No chance for redemption, no second chances at all - just, "You people suck, so die by flood!" I'm sorry, but with batshit crazy stuff like that I just can't follow your religion. It's anti-science and anti-decency while being pro sadism. WTF?? |
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 26, 2022 20:44:38 GMT -8
How about this stuff, johneaztec? The men of her town shall stone her to death.(Deuteronomy 22:20–21) What do you do if your daughter loses her virginity before marriage? Be careful how you answer—because this is what the Bible clearly says: If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the young woman’s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done an outrageous thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house. You must purge the evil from among you. Seriously? I mean, you can be judgmental if you want and say that her morals are lacking if that's what you believe, but to stone her to death for it? Come on. Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.(Leviticus 20:9) Seems harsh, right? Too bad. Ouch. I guess my daughter should face the death penalty many times over, then. Now that I think about it, I'm in a bit of a gray area. I've never actually cursed (at or otherwise) my father, but I have argued with him on occasion. Uh-oh. God's gonna be pissed! God himself will kill tens of thousands if it pleases him: 1st Samuel 6:19 in the King James Version: “And he smote the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the LORD, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men (50,070)”. Kill 50 000 men for looking at something? God encourages the murder of pagan children—and infants(Hosea 13:4, 9, 16) You shall acknowledge no God but me. . . . You are destroyed, Israel. . . . The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, because they have rebelled against their God. They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open. Wait... what? Ummmm... Doesn't that sound like a really bad, over the top horror movie from the 80's? God really is a sadistic a-hole. Needy, narcissistic, insecure, cruel... Come on. Any advanced, superior being is going to be beyond that kind of behavior, but that's what fills the Bible. Not a God of love and compassion and caring, but a God of harsh rules and punishment - and sadism, all based on feelings of insecurity and a need to be worshipped. Kind of sounds like spoiled kid (if the kid was the child of a Czar in Russia, or one of Saddam's kids). I mean, it’s kind of hard to maintain a pro-life stance in the face of this clear statement in the Bible. God's all about killing the unborn, apparently. Well, he likes to kill a lot of people for minor transgressions. Seriously, you read that stuff and it reads like the worst psychopathic behavior ever. Stuff that makes Hitler and Pol Pot seem like amateurs. And this is all from The Bible. It's not what someone else is making up, it's actually IN the Bible, just like the stuff posted above. And there's lots more like it. As in, how about the great flood. God killed almost everyone on Earth just because he didn't like how they were behaving. No chance for redemption, no second chances at all - just, "You people suck, so die by flood!" I'm sorry, but with batshit crazy stuff like that I just can't follow your religion. It's anti-science and anti-decency while being pro sadism. WTF?? Erik, have you heard the Bible verse where Jesus says, "If your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out, for it's better to lose one part of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell." And, "If your right hand causes you to sin, throw it away for it is better to lose one part of your body than to enter into hell." It's hyperbole. It's not meant to be taken literally. But, Atheists like yourself will jump on it and do exactly what you're doing. It's an example. Jesus doesn't want you to gouge your eye out, but he wants you to understand how important it is to not sin, and have a relationship with him. |
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 26, 2022 20:48:26 GMT -8
Like most Atheists, you will not try to understand that the times back then we're COMPLETELY different. God, during those times, HAD to put the smack down, so to speak, since it was incredibly sinful and unruly, (Sodom and Gomorrah as another example) throughout the world. Civilization was going to hell, and there was NO stopping it until God intervened when he had to. There was no police force, etc....
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 26, 2022 20:52:50 GMT -8
After Jesus came to earth to save everybody from going to hell and Christianity was formed, the times started to change for the better. But, before that and during the Old Testament days, God was the ruler overall and let his presence be known when needed.
As I said before, just like in a military War, it's typically a fight against good and evil and people are going to die fighting for it. That's what happened when in the Old Testament days, and God declared war on evil when needed.
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 26, 2022 20:57:24 GMT -8
You need to put things into context in some of the verses you pull out, instead of just throwing them up there. For example, those "children" that we're mauled by bears could have actually been anywhere from 12-31 years old, but even if they were on the young side you still need to understand it in context.
Those 42 kids were a gang, comparable to the likes of an MS 13 gang, or bloods or crips of nowadays. They hated God and everybody that loved God. They tortured children, killed at random and we're simply outrageously horrible people. Again, back then, God had to take things into his own hands at times to make a point and help destroy evil.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Sept 26, 2022 21:18:54 GMT -8
Like most Atheists, you will not try to understand that the times back then we're COMPLETELY different. God, during those times, HAD to put the smack down, so to speak, since it was incredibly sinful and unruly, (Sodom and Gomorrah as another example) throughout the world. Civilization was going to hell, and there was NO stopping it until God intervened when he had to. There was no police force, etc.... You're making excuses and justifying horrific behavior. As in the worst ever. Worse than Satan. God invented hell, right? Satan didn't. (FYI - there is no Satan, either.) God TORMENTED people. He discriminated against those who were victims of genetic chance (the deformed and imperfect). Mass murder is unnecessary, and if you're really justifying it you need to step back and think about that. There's laying the smack down, and then there's going on a genocidal rampage! Committing murder because someone annoys you? Ever hear of cruel and unusual (and unjustifiable) punishment? Come on. Stop. You know that the kind of behavior that God behaves in in the Bible is unacceptable. Good grief. You know this. Killing people is unacceptable unless your life is threatened and you do it in self defense! These people could do NOTHING to harm God, so he's just a coward on top of everything else. So insecure and needy that any time someone did the slightest thing that he perceived as disrespectful he killed them or tortured them. Come on, that's classic psychopathic behavior. You've got to see that. No, "Times were different then," rationalization works here. Sick sadistic things done to Job just for the hell of it? No excuse, no rationalization, no way is that acceptable. And, deep down, you know it. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Sept 26, 2022 21:20:19 GMT -8
You need to put things into context in some of the verses you pull out, instead of just throwing them up there. For example, those "children" that we're mauled by bears could have actually been anywhere from 12-31 years old, but even if they were on the young side you still need to understand it in context. Those 42 kids were a gang, comparable to the likes of an MS 13 gang, or bloods or crips of nowadays. They hated God and everybody that loved God. They tortured children, killed at random and we're simply outrageously horrible people. Again, back then, God had to take things into his own hands at times to make a point and help destroy evil. BULL f****** $#!+. They were not a gang. They were CHILDREN MAKING FUN OF A BALD MAN. And God killed all of them. Horribly. They weren't 25 or 30 years old, they were CHILDREN. (And, remember, if you lived to be 30 back then you were considered kind of old, so stop with that lame argument.) |
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 26, 2022 21:28:25 GMT -8
You need to put things into context in some of the verses you pull out, instead of just throwing them up there. For example, those "children" that we're mauled by bears could have actually been anywhere from 12-31 years old, but even if they were on the young side you still need to understand it in context. Those 42 kids were a gang, comparable to the likes of an MS 13 gang, or bloods or crips of nowadays. They hated God and everybody that loved God. They tortured children, killed at random and we're simply outrageously horrible people. Again, back then, God had to take things into his own hands at times to make a point and help destroy evil. BULL f****** $#!+. They were not a gang. They were CHILDREN MAKING FUN OF A BALD MAN. And God killed all of them. Horribly. They weren't 25 or 30 years old, they were CHILDREN. (And, remember, if you lived to be 30 back then you were considered kind of old, so stop with that lame argument.) This just proves that you don't care to dig deeper so you can put things into real context. Do more research about those 42 people. Of course you'll simply say that God had bears maul them because they called someone bald. Sheesh. Also, stop saying they all were killed, mauled is a better description. Context. Also, did you know that life expectancy during those times were lower only because there was a VERY high infant death rate? See, so everything's not so black and white like you try to make it out to be. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Sept 26, 2022 21:29:38 GMT -8
BULL f****** $#!+. They were not a gang. They were CHILDREN MAKING FUN OF A BALD MAN. And God killed all of them. Horribly. They weren't 25 or 30 years old, they were CHILDREN. (And, remember, if you lived to be 30 back then you were considered kind of old, so stop with that lame argument.) This just proves that you don't care to dig deeper so you can put things into real context. Do more research about those 42 people. Also, did you know that life expectancy during those times were lower only because there was a VERY high infant death rate? See, so everything's not so black and white like you try to make it out to be. Are you saying that MURDER is not black and white? God MURDERED those 42 kids FOR MAKING FUN OF A BALD MAN. Come on. Stop. Blind faith is blind. Open your eyes. |
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 26, 2022 21:32:46 GMT -8
This just proves that you don't care to dig deeper so you can put things into real context. Do more research about those 42 people. Also, did you know that life expectancy during those times were lower only because there was a VERY high infant death rate? See, so everything's not so black and white like you try to make it out to be. Are you saying that MURDER is not black and white? God MURDERED those 42 kids FOR MAKING FUN OF A BALD MAN. Come on. Stop. Blind faith is blind. Open your eyes. Again, do more research those forty people were not all killed. Mauled is a better description. Did you not read where I also talked about how HORRIBLE of a gang of people they were? They tortured/killed children, tortured/killed anybody that loved God. So there's that. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Sept 26, 2022 21:46:05 GMT -8
Are you saying that MURDER is not black and white? God MURDERED those 42 kids FOR MAKING FUN OF A BALD MAN. Come on. Stop. Blind faith is blind. Open your eyes. Again, do more research those forty people were not all killed. Mauled is a better description. Did you not read where I also talked about how HORRIBLE of a gang of people they were? They tortured/killed children, tortured/killed anybody that loved God. So there's that. God is a serial killer, and you're justifying his murders. Unreal. He committed genocide with the great flood. Justify that. I am just glad that he's just a made up fairy tale because if he were real it would be like letting Hitler have unlimited power. You cannot say that God, as presented in the Bible isn't insecure, needy, cruel, sadistic, narcissistic, etc. All negative human traits. Should God not be above those things? But he's not. He's an angry, vengeful God with no tolerance for human behavior. No allowance for freedom. So glad he's make believe. |
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 26, 2022 21:50:27 GMT -8
Erik, if we're not created by God in his image, who wanted a family, then who created us? Who designed us, gave us eyes to see, organs to sustain us, etc?
Do you know how complex our body parts are, and how incredible and complex our eyes are, for just one example, to be able see and to see in color, how they move, etc? Who/what created that?
I haven't even mentioned how incredibly complex it is for the earth to survive and work.
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