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Post by sdsustoner on Aug 18, 2022 3:37:33 GMT -8
Well I don't know all the regulations but I wouldn't give dump a special passport. He can have a passport to the "big house"! Unfortunately, this is America Where the only time rich people do actual prison time is when they harm somebody with more money |
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Aug 18, 2022 10:38:14 GMT -8
1. Why is this not the standard system globally rather than being a rarity?Most democracies have a multi-party system that fall into conservative and liberal wings...for example Israel is a multi-party (more than two) system based on religious (conservative) and secular (liberal) wings...Likud and Labour are its two major parties...the lesser parties side with one or the other...the same with England...Labour and Conservative parties are the dominants...authoritarian and dictatorships in the rest doesn't mean the people believe in government or not...they are just not in position to exercise their ideology. 2. Why is it the duopoly has to rig the system further to perpetuate the two-party system with their laws to make it more difficult for a 3rd party to rise and thru propaganda?The system is not rigged...there are more than two parties in America...Democratic, Republican, Libertarian and the Green Party...all four are based on either conservative or liberal ideologies (rational/anti-rational)...it's just the two main parties have had time and money to build their brand/systems over time...they've had the resources to get their message (propaganda) out to the masses...thus it's just harder for a 3rd party to rise due to the lack money, name recognition to promote/support their ideology and candidates...nothing is stopping you from forming the Stoner Utopian party...nothing...you can get your funds up...go down to the Federal Election Commission and do so today...so why won't the voters vote for you even though you have great ideas?...MONEY...you may have the greatest ideas that will save the world...but no one will ever know because it cost great sums to blanket the airwaves...that's the advantage Dems and Repubs have...lastly, Libs and Cons are just playing by the rules of the game...policymaking is complicated...it's based on numerous variables...this is what I wrote my thesis on...policy agenda setting and denial...the strategies and tactics for getting what you want done while stopping the another from getting theirs...messaging, stakeholders, subsystems, iron-triangles, focusing events, punctuated equilibrium, garbage-can model...and on and on...all play a role in policymaking...it's tough to do...therefore...a lot of nothing gets done...when it does...it is either by majority domination...or compromise.... Now my opinion is that since the Civil Rights Act...there has been two choices...democracy and white supremacy...Dems are for democracy for all people...Republicans want it just for whites...before CRA...it was just whites arguing and compromising...thus they might've disagreed...but it was all for white advantage...since...it's been multi-race vs white supremacy...democracy doesn't matter to white supremacists...they don't want any policies that benefit non-whites...thus they are using the established political rules (stratigies/tactics) to deny Blacks, Hispanics and others of anything that diminishes white advantage...they hate gays because they are not helping to increase the dwindling white population...which is the same reason they are anti-abortion...so the country is now at a crossroad...is it a white-dominated nation or multi-race one...as to whether democracy is trashed and Balkanization (civil war) prevails.... If the system isn't rigged, then why does the duopoly create more laws to make it more difficult for third parties to rise? If democracy is truly what they wanted, wouldn't they make laws to make it easier for third parties to come into power rather than doing the exact opposite? If the system isn't rigged then why does the propaganda from the "liberal" party claim a third party vote is wasted and all though you don't like the Dems, they're close enough to your ideals so vote for them. Every election, liberals repeat that trash along with the fear-mongering. If you don't vote for Dems, the Republicans will do some evil thing, right? Who got the blame for Trump winning 2016? "Bernie Bros" and other voters who voted third party rather than for the Dems. Bernie bro was liberal propaganda itself trying to paint his voters as misogynists. As a matter of fact, the hell is the Liberal party weaponizing courts to get a third party off the ballot? Seems like the exact opposite of democratic to me. Also, if Dems want equality, then why are they perpetually increasing the police state funding and escalating violence against the poor & minorities? Why have they also cut polling stations in poor and minority areas during their primaries like here in AZ? The places most likely to vote for Sanders. Dems don't want equality. They just want a photo-op to kneel wearing a cloth while legislating in the exact opposite manner of their performative theater. You can't have fascism without enablers Democrats are the enablers Liberals always side with Fascism over Socialism because Fascism doesn't threaten capital Provide an example of Dems rigging the system against third parties...I haven't observed nor have you provided any evidence of the sort. "If the system isn't rigged then why does the propaganda from the "liberal" party claim a third party vote is wasted...."The "liberal" party is self-interested in promoting its brand...therefore they do as any would...promote their product and downplay the competition...nothing unusual about that. " Also, if Dems want equality, then why are they perpetually increasing the police state funding and escalating violence against the poor & minorities?" Provide an example "Why have they also cut polling stations in poor and minority areas during their primaries like here in AZ?"Per the last election: " Pinal County Attorney Kent Volkmer, a Republican, had a much simpler explanation for the "human error" that left some voters stranded in line or disenfranchised altogether. "We just, we didn't order enough ballots. It was always a guess," Volkmer told reporters the day after the election. "And we didn't guess on the side of making sure we had plenty of ballots, and that's the mistake that the county made." " Arizona Democratic Party Chairwoman Raquel Terán issued a statement blaming Pinal County's blunders on " years of underfunding elections and the counties that run them," as well as "dangerous conspiracy theories perpetuated by the AZGOP that we cannot trust our elections." www.npr.org/2022/08/08/1116394618/arizona-pinal-county-election-woesDems don't run elections in AZ...Republicans do.... |
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 18, 2022 11:06:39 GMT -8
Judge says he's "inclined" to release a redacted version of the affidavit. Hearing scheduled for next Thursday.
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Post by sdsuball on Aug 18, 2022 11:45:54 GMT -8
If the system isn't rigged, then why does the duopoly create more laws to make it more difficult for third parties to rise? If democracy is truly what they wanted, wouldn't they make laws to make it easier for third parties to come into power rather than doing the exact opposite? If the system isn't rigged then why does the propaganda from the "liberal" party claim a third party vote is wasted and all though you don't like the Dems, they're close enough to your ideals so vote for them. Every election, liberals repeat that trash along with the fear-mongering. If you don't vote for Dems, the Republicans will do some evil thing, right? Who got the blame for Trump winning 2016? "Bernie Bros" and other voters who voted third party rather than for the Dems. Bernie bro was liberal propaganda itself trying to paint his voters as misogynists. As a matter of fact, the hell is the Liberal party weaponizing courts to get a third party off the ballot? Seems like the exact opposite of democratic to me. Also, if Dems want equality, then why are they perpetually increasing the police state funding and escalating violence against the poor & minorities? Why have they also cut polling stations in poor and minority areas during their primaries like here in AZ? The places most likely to vote for Sanders. Dems don't want equality. They just want a photo-op to kneel wearing a cloth while legislating in the exact opposite manner of their performative theater. You can't have fascism without enablers Democrats are the enablers Liberals always side with Fascism over Socialism because Fascism doesn't threaten capital " Also, if Dems want equality, then why are they perpetually increasing the police state funding and escalating violence against the poor & minorities?" Provide an example Sure. Clinton's 1994 Tough on Crime bill and California's 1994 Three Strikes law. |
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Aug 18, 2022 14:29:06 GMT -8
" Also, if Dems want equality, then why are they perpetually increasing the police state funding and escalating violence against the poor & minorities?" Provide an example Sure. Clinton's 1994 Tough on Crime bill and California's 1994 Three Strikes law. "According to a 1994 Gallup survey, 58% of African Americans supported the crime bill, compared to 49% of white Americans. Most Black mayors, who were grappling with a record wave of violent crime, did so as well. As he joined a delegation of mayors lobbying Congress to back the bill, Baltimore Mayor Kurt L. Schmoke said, “We’re trying very hard to explain to Congress that this is a matter that needs bipartisan support.” In a recent interview Rep. James Clyburn, a member of the House leadership and one of the most powerful African American elected officials, reflected on the reasons for his vote in favor of the bill. “Crack cocaine was a scourge in the Black community,” he recalled. “They wanted it out of those communities, and they had gotten very tough on drugs. And that’s why yours truly, and other members of the Congressional Black Caucus, voted for that 1994 crime bill.” " Since 2006, incarceration rates have fallen by 17% for White Americans, 26% for Hispanics, and 34% for African Americans." www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2020/08/28/did-the-1994-crime-bill-cause-mass-incarceration/The people most effected by crime ask Dem lawmakers to respond to their concerns...and they did....try again |
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Post by sdsuball on Aug 18, 2022 16:50:08 GMT -8
Sure. Clinton's 1994 Tough on Crime bill and California's 1994 Three Strikes law. "According to a 1994 Gallup survey, 58% of African Americans supported the crime bill, compared to 49% of white Americans. Most Black mayors, who were grappling with a record wave of violent crime, did so as well. As he joined a delegation of mayors lobbying Congress to back the bill, Baltimore Mayor Kurt L. Schmoke said, “We’re trying very hard to explain to Congress that this is a matter that needs bipartisan support.” In a recent interview Rep. James Clyburn, a member of the House leadership and one of the most powerful African American elected officials, reflected on the reasons for his vote in favor of the bill. “Crack cocaine was a scourge in the Black community,” he recalled. “They wanted it out of those communities, and they had gotten very tough on drugs. And that’s why yours truly, and other members of the Congressional Black Caucus, voted for that 1994 crime bill.” " Since 2006, incarceration rates have fallen by 17% for White Americans, 26% for Hispanics, and 34% for African Americans." www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2020/08/28/did-the-1994-crime-bill-cause-mass-incarceration/The people most effected by crime ask Dem lawmakers to respond to their concerns...and they did....try again I don't need to try again. It was an awful bill that mass incarcerated millions of African Americans, a bill that (as you put it) had bipartisan support. That bill (in combination with the War on Drugs) is why America at one point had the highest incarceration rates in the world (we still have one of the highest incarceration rates globally). It was an awful bill and I'm not going to sit here and defend awful legislation like you are just because it was passed by Democrats. |
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Post by sdsustoner on Aug 19, 2022 3:20:11 GMT -8
If the system isn't rigged, then why does the duopoly create more laws to make it more difficult for third parties to rise? If democracy is truly what they wanted, wouldn't they make laws to make it easier for third parties to come into power rather than doing the exact opposite? If the system isn't rigged then why does the propaganda from the "liberal" party claim a third party vote is wasted and all though you don't like the Dems, they're close enough to your ideals so vote for them. Every election, liberals repeat that trash along with the fear-mongering. If you don't vote for Dems, the Republicans will do some evil thing, right? Who got the blame for Trump winning 2016? "Bernie Bros" and other voters who voted third party rather than for the Dems. Bernie bro was liberal propaganda itself trying to paint his voters as misogynists. As a matter of fact, the hell is the Liberal party weaponizing courts to get a third party off the ballot? Seems like the exact opposite of democratic to me. Also, if Dems want equality, then why are they perpetually increasing the police state funding and escalating violence against the poor & minorities? Why have they also cut polling stations in poor and minority areas during their primaries like here in AZ? The places most likely to vote for Sanders. Dems don't want equality. They just want a photo-op to kneel wearing a cloth while legislating in the exact opposite manner of their performative theater. You can't have fascism without enablers Democrats are the enablers Liberals always side with Fascism over Socialism because Fascism doesn't threaten capital Provide an example of Dems rigging the system against third parties...I haven't observed nor have you provided any evidence of the sort. "If the system isn't rigged then why does the propaganda from the "liberal" party claim a third party vote is wasted...."The "liberal" party is self-interested in promoting its brand...therefore they do as any would...promote their product and downplay the competition...nothing unusual about that. " Also, if Dems want equality, then why are they perpetually increasing the police state funding and escalating violence against the poor & minorities?" Provide an example "Why have they also cut polling stations in poor and minority areas during their primaries like here in AZ?"Per the last election: " Pinal County Attorney Kent Volkmer, a Republican, had a much simpler explanation for the "human error" that left some voters stranded in line or disenfranchised altogether. "We just, we didn't order enough ballots. It was always a guess," Volkmer told reporters the day after the election. "And we didn't guess on the side of making sure we had plenty of ballots, and that's the mistake that the county made." " Arizona Democratic Party Chairwoman Raquel Terán issued a statement blaming Pinal County's blunders on " years of underfunding elections and the counties that run them," as well as "dangerous conspiracy theories perpetuated by the AZGOP that we cannot trust our elections." www.npr.org/2022/08/08/1116394618/arizona-pinal-county-election-woesDems don't run elections in AZ...Republicans do.... Rigging...https://www.gp.org/hr_1 Cute poison pill disguised as a "Voting rights bill." This is how you rig stuff and claim your innocence. You make laws to make it increasingly difficult for third parties to rise to power like your party one did. Promote their brand? 😂 Thru a system of propaganda so successful that Joseph Goebbels tried unsuccessfully to emulate it down to a Nazi version of Hollywood? Yeah, I'm not sure if your flex on party propaganda is supposed to brag about enabling fascism, but here you are. I just saw you justify ramping up the police state vs poor and minorities because Muricans were propagandized by the police state into supporting draconian policies out of fear of the others...such stereotypical fascist propaganda. I suspect all other examples will be met with the same...bu...bu...but Muricans supported them at the time. And? Remember when most Muricans supported the gradual Civil Rights for Black People because an immediate granting of rights would be too inconvenient? Polls don't mean anything in your defense of the police state, Good German. Ah...yes, blame the closer of polls in poor and minority areas on Republicans because that doesn't happen in states run by Democrats too. I used a lousy example of AZ. With AZ election rigging I should have simply went with the Dem Party in the state purging thousands of registered voters. Or the Lib propaganda calling Hillary's victory prematurely in an attempt to get voters to leave lines. |
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Post by sdsustoner on Aug 19, 2022 3:25:15 GMT -8
"According to a 1994 Gallup survey, 58% of African Americans supported the crime bill, compared to 49% of white Americans. Most Black mayors, who were grappling with a record wave of violent crime, did so as well. As he joined a delegation of mayors lobbying Congress to back the bill, Baltimore Mayor Kurt L. Schmoke said, “We’re trying very hard to explain to Congress that this is a matter that needs bipartisan support.” In a recent interview Rep. James Clyburn, a member of the House leadership and one of the most powerful African American elected officials, reflected on the reasons for his vote in favor of the bill. “Crack cocaine was a scourge in the Black community,” he recalled. “They wanted it out of those communities, and they had gotten very tough on drugs. And that’s why yours truly, and other members of the Congressional Black Caucus, voted for that 1994 crime bill.” " Since 2006, incarceration rates have fallen by 17% for White Americans, 26% for Hispanics, and 34% for African Americans." www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2020/08/28/did-the-1994-crime-bill-cause-mass-incarceration/The people most effected by crime ask Dem lawmakers to respond to their concerns...and they did....try again I don't need to try again. It was an awful bill that mass incarcerated millions of African Americans, a bill that (as you put it) had bipartisan support. That bill (in combination with the War on Drugs) is why America at one point had the highest incarceration rates in the world (we still have one of the highest incarceration rates globally). It was an awful bill and I'm not going to sit here and defend awful legislation like you are just because it was passed by Democrats. Don't forget about our ridiculously high recidivism rates the fascists intentionally created because they combined the private sector with the state to punish the individual far after their court sentence is over, because Murican fascists made inmates & services for them a for-profit item they can buy and sell. Plus, higher recidivism means more police state garbage...so it's almost like the duopoly wants this...yeah, it actually is. It's by design |
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Post by sdsustoner on Aug 19, 2022 3:28:28 GMT -8
Sure. Clinton's 1994 Tough on Crime bill and California's 1994 Three Strikes law. "According to a 1994 Gallup survey, 58% of African Americans supported the crime bill, compared to 49% of white Americans. Most Black mayors, who were grappling with a record wave of violent crime, did so as well. As he joined a delegation of mayors lobbying Congress to back the bill, Baltimore Mayor Kurt L. Schmoke said, “We’re trying very hard to explain to Congress that this is a matter that needs bipartisan support.” In a recent interview Rep. James Clyburn, a member of the House leadership and one of the most powerful African American elected officials, reflected on the reasons for his vote in favor of the bill. “Crack cocaine was a scourge in the Black community,” he recalled. “They wanted it out of those communities, and they had gotten very tough on drugs. And that’s why yours truly, and other members of the Congressional Black Caucus, voted for that 1994 crime bill.” " Since 2006, incarceration rates have fallen by 17% for White Americans, 26% for Hispanics, and 34% for African Americans." www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2020/08/28/did-the-1994-crime-bill-cause-mass-incarceration/The people most effected by crime ask Dem lawmakers to respond to their concerns...and they did....try again Are you trying to be the demonstration portion of my earlier comment about libs always enabling fascism? Or is this just a comical coincidence? |
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 19, 2022 14:41:04 GMT -8
Absolute meltdowns.
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Post by uwphoto on Aug 19, 2022 17:29:07 GMT -8
Because its trump...this is a bit funny. It's so playbook by him. "Atrocities" "vicious" etc. his word use is so predictable. However, the sad thing is his base (cult) just eats this up and believes every word. SAD. |
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Post by sdsustoner on Aug 20, 2022 3:48:32 GMT -8
Because its trump...this is a bit funny. It's so playbook by him. "Atrocities" "vicious" etc. his word use is so predictable. However, the sad thing is his base (cult) just eats this up and believes every word. SAD. The only thing Trump can do to lose supporters is to become a Black Man |
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Post by uwphoto on Aug 20, 2022 5:33:53 GMT -8
Because its trump...this is a bit funny. It's so playbook by him. "Atrocities" "vicious" etc. his word use is so predictable. However, the sad thing is his base (cult) just eats this up and believes every word. SAD. The only thing Trump can do to lose supporters is to become a Black Man hahaha! |
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Post by ptsdthor on Aug 20, 2022 6:06:14 GMT -8
The only thing Trump can do to lose supporters is to become a Black Man hahaha! Yeah, and in the mean time, the very same vote for Larry Elder. Tired. |
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Post by sdsustoner on Aug 21, 2022 4:54:51 GMT -8
Yeah, and in the mean time, the very same vote for Larry Elder. Tired. The guy who has never won an election? He did get disbarred. That's why he no longer practices law. So his ethics are on par for the Republicans. They just didn't care enough about Elder for him to win |
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Post by johneaztec on Aug 21, 2022 14:44:36 GMT -8
Yeah, and in the mean time, the very same vote for Larry Elder. Tired. The guy who has never won an election? He did get disbarred. That's why he no longer practices law. So his ethics are on par for the Republicans. They just didn't care enough about Elder for him to win Can a Republican win in California? |
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Aug 21, 2022 19:07:17 GMT -8
The guy who has never won an election? He did get disbarred. That's why he no longer practices law. So his ethics are on par for the Republicans. They just didn't care enough about Elder for him to win Can a Republican win in California? Well that putz Devin Nunes got elected but he resigned and went to work for t-rumps media company. |
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Aug 21, 2022 19:35:25 GMT -8
I had a clearance for Classified and Secret material. I cant believe that the security agents in the WH didn't remind DJT that classified materials were to be secured. Shipping by rental vans wasn't an option in most cases. This whole deal sounds like one big "Bozo no-no".
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Post by sdsustoner on Aug 22, 2022 2:29:36 GMT -8
The guy who has never won an election? He did get disbarred. That's why he no longer practices law. So his ethics are on par for the Republicans. They just didn't care enough about Elder for him to win Can a Republican win in California? Yeah. Americans aren't that bright. We're intentionally undereducated per John Dewey's public ed plan. So the duopoly switching black dresses is literally in our programming. Create a system of terrible government that pretends it's the exact opposite of what it actually is, then get morons to support it while blaming the other party for its failures as their party is the only one with the solution. Rinse & repeat while they both enact very similar policies The better question would be is it necessary for the Republicans to win if the Dems are going to enact similar economic/border/foreign policies any ways? For the bigots who hate everyone not themselves...yes, it is vital to the future of the nation. 😂 |
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Post by aztecryan on Aug 22, 2022 9:51:34 GMT -8
Let's keep this thread more on topic, please....it was moved for the reason to stand on its own.
So the presiding judge will not unseal the affidavit in its entirety.
Asserting this is an interesting line of thinking by the magistrate.
Back to the heart of the matter - It's probably still 50/50 that an indictment gets handed down just based on historical precedence and optics. The same line of defense from the Trump administration is still being raised - Sweeping declassifications of all the documents stored at Mar-A-Lago. But the charges in the warrant make the classification status irrelevant - Just possessing the documents makes it a crime. Now, the "Gang of Eight" (Schiff, Turner, Pelosi, McCarthy, McConnell, Warner, Rubio and Schumer) want access to the documents. Considering McCarthy's alleged involvement in January 6th, this represents a pretty serious conflict of interest.
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