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Post by namssa on Jul 1, 2022 19:27:54 GMT -8
Looking at this our metrics are excellent against the other candidates.
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Post by chris92065 on Jul 1, 2022 19:47:15 GMT -8
Looking at this our metrics are excellent against the other candidates. I would be a lot more excited if I knew the 10 schools remaining were locked in. The only good news I can see is that the big ten doesn’t need any more west coast representation and the pac with sdsu still might get a better tv deal than the big 12. |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Jul 1, 2022 19:59:13 GMT -8
It is in the middle of nowhere, but there is plenty of eyeballs. thevab.com/storage/app/media/Toolkit/DMA_Map_2019.pdfThe valley is Fresno-Visalia and Bakersfield - 573,180 households and 223,250 respectively. That is almost 800K households between those two DMA's. Monterey-Salins could be had as well, and that would be another 226,630 households. That would be 1M households. Vegas has 757,840 households and a ton of transplants. I don't think anyone is living in those three AG DMA's are transplants. JMO. Interesting how you included Visalia, Bakersfield and Monterey-Salins with Fresno, yet you excluded Las Vegas' surrounding communities. As of 2021, the population of Las Vegas Metro is 2.8 million. Neilsen created the DMA Fresno-Visala. Bakersfield and Salinas-Monterey are the DMA's that are right next to that DMA. Having spent some time in the central coast and valley, I can tell you they are more closely aligned together than the LA DMA. Just as the Santa Barbara DMA is closer aligned to LA. Keep in mind that populations and households are not one in the same. Even if Las Vegas was the size of NY, I would not support UNLV. Just like SJSU, they are in huge metro where no one cares. |
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Post by Boise Aztec on Jul 1, 2022 20:12:21 GMT -8
The Big 12 does work for SDSU if they add other western teams. They'd have to add 3 other Western teams to make it work well. ASU UA SDSU UNLV |
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Post by sdcoug on Jul 1, 2022 21:06:08 GMT -8
Fresno in the middle of nowhere. As in nowhere,nohow,noway! Worse than WSU. Las Vegas growing by the minute! It is in the middle of nowhere, but there is plenty of eyeballs. thevab.com/storage/app/media/Toolkit/DMA_Map_2019.pdfThe valley is Fresno-Visalia and Bakersfield - 573,180 households and 223,250 respectively. That is almost 800K households between those two DMA's. Monterey-Salins could be had as well, and that would be another 226,630 households. That would be 1M households. Vegas has 757,840 households and a ton of transplants. I don't think anyone is living in those three AG DMA's are transplants. JMO. Vegas is the 40th largest DMA at 760k while Fresno is 54th at 570k. Those + streaming penetration are the only #s that really matter. Not a huge difference but Vegas brings other benefits such as recruiting and better facilities. |
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Post by Aztec Since 88 on Jul 1, 2022 21:33:19 GMT -8
DMA'S are ranking by TV households not population. It is roughly a 1 to 3 ratio, which is 1 household for every 3 peeps.
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Post by AzTex on Jul 1, 2022 21:44:06 GMT -8
I don't understand how our "Travel Ease" is only "Easy" when CSU and AFA are "Ideal." For those two you have to land in Denver and bus to Ft. Collins and Colorado Springs.
But I do like his opinion that we're a great candidate.
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Post by sdcoug on Jul 1, 2022 21:45:56 GMT -8
With your scenario are you assuming Oregon & UW are gone to the B1G? Right now the B12's brand isn't any better than the P12's, even without USC/UCLA. Not sure why the B12 would survive but not the P12? Legislature in WA & OR are already fighting a potential UW & UO move. If the P12 can keep them, then the holes to fill wouldn't be as drastic & SDSU fills the SoCal angle. It's funny, people were writing the B12's epitaph when UT & OK left, saying there's no way they could survive. They have. Now they're saying the same about the P12. Long term, I have no doubt D1 football will be divided into 2 tiers - the haves & the have nots, which could be anywhere from 40-60+ teams in Tier 1 & the rest in Tier 2. That could be 2 conferences - B1G & SEC, OR just some of the teams in those 2 conferences (sans Vandy, etc.) + the best of the rest? The real question is why jump from the P12 to the B12 or vice versa if ultimately this changes even more in a few more years & neither exist? The Big 12 offers a near coast to coast blue print.. they were the first, B1G is the second. Does the SEC go coast to coast too? Can the PAC12 survive without going coast to coast? if they do where does that leave SDSU? the thought was...it just wasnt worth the effort to expand east, when its already been done by the BIG12. The Big12 took the names worth taking in their expansion run. If the PAC12 expands east their options will be severely limited. Would you leave the BIG12 for the PAC12? doubtful. They may waste a year trying and if they do that without wining and dining BOISE, SDSU, UNLV... then they pretty much are writing their epitaph. Cause the BIG12 would love to poach themselves some PAC12 and there are members who would love to leave the PAC12 and join the Big12 right now. If UW and UO are in the P12 there is zero motivation to leave the P12 for the B12. The B12's brand isn't close to the P12's with those 2 schools. The B12 doesn't have any major anchors. |
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Post by Ambivalent_Fan on Jul 1, 2022 22:15:34 GMT -8
SDSU in NOT going to the Big XII…maybe it would work for football and maybe MBB…but the remaining sports teams need to play in a conference as well…and we aren’t flying them to eastern or central time zones anytime soon… The only conference that works for the Aztecs is the PAC-12 The Big 12 does work for SDSU if they add other western teams. If the Big XII adds several west coast teams…it certainly wouldn’t include SDSU… If they added multiple west coast teams it would mean that the PAC-12 has imploded and the Big XII would likely add teams like Cal / Stanford / ASU / U of A before ever inviting SDSU… The only way for the BIG XII to add SDSU would be to also add FSU / UNLV / BSU (no big TV markets)…which would mean we’d be sending our non-rev sports to a lot of remote places (costing a lot of money and time) Not gonna happen |
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Post by campanile on Jul 1, 2022 22:16:20 GMT -8
Why isn’t Hawaii on Tony’s list? Hawaii has the academic R1 standing and proud athletic tradition. SDSU/UHM to the Pac12 seems like a logical duo to explore.
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Post by sdsuball on Jul 2, 2022 0:17:08 GMT -8
I don't understand why he has us ranked so low for basketball. How in the hell does he have us at #71st for our 10year ranking, and #129 for our two year ranking?
Is he including WBB in the mix?
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Post by survalli on Jul 2, 2022 0:25:29 GMT -8
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Jul 2, 2022 6:29:04 GMT -8
It is in the middle of nowhere, but there is plenty of eyeballs. thevab.com/storage/app/media/Toolkit/DMA_Map_2019.pdfThe valley is Fresno-Visalia and Bakersfield - 573,180 households and 223,250 respectively. That is almost 800K households between those two DMA's. Monterey-Salins could be had as well, and that would be another 226,630 households. That would be 1M households. Vegas has 757,840 households and a ton of transplants. I don't think anyone is living in those three AG DMA's are transplants. JMO. Vegas is the 40th largest DMA at 760k while Fresno is 54th at 570k. Those + streaming penetration are the only #s that really matter. Not a huge difference but Vegas brings other benefits such as recruiting and better facilities. As a destination city, Vegas is obviously light years better than Fresno. My Biggest problem with UNLV is that vast majority of the people in Vegas do not care about UNLV. This was true before The Golden Knights came to town, and since then UNLV was pushed further out of the limelight. With the Raiders in Town, they are an afterthought in the Vegas Market. UNLV is starving for oxygen and it appears that it will only get worse with the NBA and MLB eyeing the market. |
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Post by darksidereturns on Jul 2, 2022 6:51:16 GMT -8
I still say the smart move for the PAC is to kill the B12. Take a piece of TX with TCU and Baylor, grab OKSt and maybe KSU. Grab Socal with SDSU and NV with UNLV. That locks in western states of WA, OR, CA, NV, AZ, CO, UT and gets you a serious footprint in TX.
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Post by sdcoug on Jul 2, 2022 7:21:28 GMT -8
Vegas is the 40th largest DMA at 760k while Fresno is 54th at 570k. Those + streaming penetration are the only #s that really matter. Not a huge difference but Vegas brings other benefits such as recruiting and better facilities. As a destination city, Vegas is obviously light years better than Fresno. My Biggest problem with UNLV is that vast majority of the people in Vegas do not care about UNLV. This was true before The Golden Knights came to town, and since then UNLV was pushed further out of the limelight. With the Raiders in Town, they are an afterthought in the Vegas Market. UNLV is starving for oxygen and it appears that it will only get worse with the NBA and MLB eyeing the market. Definitely a concern but moving from the G5 to a P5 opens a lot of oxygen holes and will generate interest. It changes that dynamic considerably. A lot of the Vegas professional team fans come from LA and Oakland, among other markets. There's a large base of UNLV alums in Vegas. But do agree, at some point when is it too much for 1 market? Phoenix has everything and supports 2 P5 teams, with Tucson 70 minutes south. Its doable. |
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Post by chris92065 on Jul 2, 2022 7:29:48 GMT -8
Does anyone have a guestimate until the “super league” is formed? If the “super league” is still a few years out then we have a
chance to join the pac 12 while it is still a good Confrence.
One the “super league” is formed we will be regulated back to mwc type conference.
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Post by laaztec on Jul 2, 2022 7:32:57 GMT -8
Does anyone have a guestimate until the “super league” is formed? If the “super league” is still a few years out then we have a chance to join the pac 12 while it is still a good Confrence. One the “super league” is formed we will be regulated back to mwc type conference. Just worry about what’s in front of us today. The Super Conference stuff is a decade away. |
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Post by sdsustoner on Jul 2, 2022 7:35:08 GMT -8
Does anyone have a guestimate until the “super league” is formed? If the “super league” is still a few years out then we have a chance to join the pac 12 while it is still a good Confrence. One the “super league” is formed we will be regulated back to mwc type conference. Just worry about what’s in front of us today. The Super Conference stuff is a decade away. Isn't the new playoff format for 2026? |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Jul 2, 2022 7:41:43 GMT -8
As a destination city, Vegas is obviously light years better than Fresno. My Biggest problem with UNLV is that vast majority of the people in Vegas do not care about UNLV. This was true before The Golden Knights came to town, and since then UNLV was pushed further out of the limelight. With the Raiders in Town, they are an afterthought in the Vegas Market. UNLV is starving for oxygen and it appears that it will only get worse with the NBA and MLB eyeing the market. Definitely a concern but moving from the G5 to a P5 opens a lot of oxygen holes and will generate interest. It changes that dynamic considerably. A lot of the Vegas professional team fans come from LA and Oakland, among other markets. There's a large base of UNLV alums in Vegas. But do agree, at some point when is it too much for 1 market? Phoenix has everything and supports 2 P5 teams, with Tucson 70 minutes south. Its doable. I don't see it, but maybe it is a build it and it will come scenario for them. But I doubt it, they have squandered everything that Tark built in a brand. |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Jul 2, 2022 8:16:12 GMT -8
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