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Post by jcljorgenson on May 4, 2023 7:01:43 GMT -8
Considering the topic of "Big XII Mexico", where Big XII football & basketball games would be played in Monterrey and Mexico City, name me the #1 possible Big XII school actual fans from "Mexico" would openly favor & cheer for in record numbers (I've already heard opinions of this topic on more than one occasion on these Big XII youtube channels). One video favored the BYU "Cougars" because of the large LDS population metrics throughout the country of Mexico. Another talked about possible future Big XII member Fresno State "Bulldogs" because of the Hispanic population demographics around the Fresno area... while another video pointed towards possible future member Arizona "Wildcats" because the school is located about an hour north of the US/Mexico Border. Each video conversation failed miserably to present the obvious overwhelming choice: The #1 team fans across "Mexico" would obviously cheer for would be none other than potential future Big XII member San Diego State "Aztecs"!!! The "Aztecs" would no doubt dominate local fan support in any given location throughout the country of "Mexico"! And the best part? A local "Mexican" Montezuma could make his appearance throughout the stands among the fans of Mexico... coupled with various local colorful Mexican Aztec Warrior Folkloric Dancers... and the local crowds would scream with delight in support of our team wherever SDSU decided to play their games! In all honesty, Big XII "Mexico" could be the hidden gem SDSU Athletics needs. Maybe the Pac-12 could do the same. Mexico isn't reserved for only the Big XII you know... Or let's market SDSU because we have the Midway and we can play conference basketball games on an aircraft carrier! C'mon, don't take that idea seriously - it's just a gimmicky idea that is not sustainable. You really want the drug cartels running or meddling in or conference/games? They basically run Mexico right now. I used to love visiting Mexico, won't cross the border anymore. Have you ever looked at the list of cities with the highest homicide rates? If not, take a peak: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_homicide_rateFYI, there are 115,000 missing people in Mexico right now, so these stats are way underreported. |
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Post by standiego on May 4, 2023 7:19:41 GMT -8
Padres played baseball game in Mexico City and there were numerous comments about the thin air and breathing there where altitude is even higher then every MW school so can imagine football or basketball games
What I would find useful is for the PAC to investigate how it could expand TV Viewing near the TJ or other areas - as there are fans who like American football as well as Soccer
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Post by azteclou on May 4, 2023 7:46:47 GMT -8
Dennis Dodd doing his thing again. Notice Dodd doesn’t say ESPN is out he says “it appears” ESPN is out. One is definitive one is not. “It appears” is one way journalists can hedge their bet. If he ends up being wrong he will just come back to the “it appears” line. I worked in broadcast for nearly 4 decades. It’s just like when somebody is arrested for murder. You can’t come out and say “person A killed person B”. That would be convicting the person and you could get sued. Instead you will hear “person A allegedly killed person B”. Big difference. |
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Post by Yoda on May 4, 2023 7:58:49 GMT -8
I used to love visiting Mexico, won't cross the border anymore. Have you ever looked at the list of cities with the highest homicide rates? If not, take a peak: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_homicide_rateFYI, there are 115,000 missing people in Mexico right now, so these stats are way underreported. Counterpoint -- tho not necessarily a compelling one -- neither Monterey nor Mexico City are on the list of top 50 "highest homicide rates in the world of all cities not at war, with a population of at least 300,000 people, and all relevant data available online". However, there are seven US cities that are on the list. Tulane is a possible expansion candidate for the PAC -- are you going to refuse to play games there because they are the top US city on the list? Likewise, PAC cities (or nearby cities) Phoenix, Tucson, Portland, Los Angeles, Oakland and Denver have more homicides per 100,000 of population than does Mexico City. I've never really been to Mexico -- at least not in the last 50 years. But I read the stories about the drug cartels and safety should be an obvious concern about scheduling games in Mexico. Fairly or unfairly, I don't think I would ever visit the country. So counterpoint of not, I'm not really disagreeing with you. Hopefully, the Big 12 will be able to provide a secure arrangement. As for San Diego not being on the list of schools with reach into Mexico, you obviously have reach -- although as I understand it, you don't even have a Spanish language radio broadcast in TJ so, if that's true, you aren't trying to take advantage of it. I think that the article was focusing on Big 12 schools and expansion candidates and you are viewed as a PAC candidate. Or maybe they were just dissing you. Anyway, an Aztec warrior would obviously be far more easily marketable in Mexico than would a Bulldog, or really any of the PAC or Big 12 mascots. |
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Post by namssa on May 4, 2023 8:19:36 GMT -8
Mexico City is 7,350 above sea level. That is higher than Wyoming. We know how hard it is to play at that altitude. So good luck to them. PAC-12 has played games in Australia and the BIG and Notre Dame in Ireland. This is a nothing burger.
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Post by azteclou on May 4, 2023 8:38:19 GMT -8
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Post by azteclou on May 4, 2023 8:39:34 GMT -8
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Post by Den60 on May 4, 2023 9:01:46 GMT -8
You are quoting that hack. Now it time for you to disappear. Why do you call him a hack? He's the administrator for the Arizona 247 site and I doubt that anybody on the internet is better connected to UA than he is. He created his website on 24/7 and he wants Zona in the B12 and his agenda is to push that. It ain't gonna happen because of academics. I doubt the fat bastard has a college degree. |
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Post by panammaniac on May 4, 2023 9:35:20 GMT -8
I used to love visiting Mexico, won't cross the border anymore. Have you ever looked at the list of cities with the highest homicide rates? If not, take a peak: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_homicide_rateFYI, there are 115,000 missing people in Mexico right now, so these stats are way underreported. Counterpoint -- tho not necessarily a compelling one -- neither Monterey nor Mexico City are on the list of top 50 "highest homicide rates in the world of all cities not at war, with a population of at least 300,000 people, and all relevant data available online". However, there are seven US cities that are on the list. Tulane is a possible expansion candidate for the PAC -- are you going to refuse to play games there because they are the top US city on the list? Likewise, PAC cities (or nearby cities) Phoenix, Tucson, Portland, Los Angeles, Oakland and Denver have more homicides per 100,000 of population than does Mexico City. I've never really been to Mexico -- at least not in the last 50 years. But I read the stories about the drug cartels and safety should be an obvious concern about scheduling games in Mexico. Fairly or unfairly, I don't think I would ever visit the country. So counterpoint of not, I'm not really disagreeing with you. Hopefully, the Big 12 will be able to provide a secure arrangement. As for San Diego not being on the list of schools with reach into Mexico, you obviously have reach -- although as I understand it, you don't even have a Spanish language radio broadcast in TJ so, if that's true, you aren't trying to take advantage of it. I think that the article was focusing on Big 12 schools and expansion candidates and you are viewed as a PAC candidate. Or maybe they were just dissing you. Anyway, an Aztec warrior would obviously be far more easily marketable in Mexico than would a Bulldog, or really any of the PAC or Big 12 mascots. If you're going to pull Mexico into the discussion, a UTEP/NMSU combo makes almost as much sense as SDSU. You could take two steps out of the Sun Bowl and pee across the border into Mexico if you drank enough beer during the game. Juarez has a population around 1.5 million. El Paso has population approaching a million. Las Cruces is a little over 100k. So between that "metro area" of El Paso, Juarez, and Las Cruces you have over 2.5 million people. NMSU's student base is also 64% Spanish speaking, which I'm guessing is comparable to SDSU's if not higher. Unfortunately it's a weak argument, and I'm pretty sure ESPN doesn't take viewers from Mexican border towns into consideration as part of the DMA. |
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Post by azteclou on May 4, 2023 9:42:38 GMT -8
The disinformation campaign aimed at the Pac-12 Conference jump-started again on Wednesday. CBS Sports reported from the Fiesta Summit spring meetings in Arizona that ESPN was “out” as a Tier 1 option for the Pac-12 Conference’s media rights.
“Murky future,” said the headline.
“If ESPN is not interested,” read the body of the piece, “… there doesn't appear to be an obvious brand-name suitor for the league.”
Among the unnamed sources mentioned in the report was a “Big 12 administrator” who offered in a quote that this was the first time ESPN had publicly confirmed that it wanted nothing to do with the Pac-12’s primary rights.
Trouble is, it wasn’t accurate.
Reporters from The Athletic and Sports Illustrated quickly torpedoed the report. Nicole Auerbach of The Athletic tweeted: “The Pac-12 and ESPN met as recently as today.” Ross Dellenger of SI.com, followed with: “ESPN remains in negotiations with the Pac-12 for its primary TV package.”
I reached a member of the Pac-12 CEO Group on Wednesday evening who told me that it only “took a few minutes to refute the BS.” Additionally, a second source told me Thursday that ESPN executives were disappointed when they saw the report. It wasn’t at all accurate.
College athletics has become high-stakes stuff. The modern major conference media-rights deals scale from $300 million to $1 billion annually. There are plenty of whispers and conflicting agendas. Also, there are a lot of third parties happy to be along for the ride. One high-profile consulting firm currently working behind the scenes, for example, bills its clients $60,000 a month.
I’ve vowed to give you sourced, in-depth reporting and commentary. I’m not here to paint a rosy picture of the Pac-12. The conference has a steep climb in front of it. Mistakes have been made. I’m here for you — my readers — not for clicks or to perpetuate someone else’s tired agenda.
Part of the job is sorting through those competing agendas, vetting unnamed sources and doubling back to ensure what you’re being told is accurate. As journalists, we’re only as good as our sources. You’ve got to report the truth — not just serve as a relay for information that invested parties want thrown out there.
In March, I received a telephone call from a gentleman named Clark Williams at the Big 12. He’s a vice president in charge of brand management. It was a curious call because I hadn’t reached out to the Big 12.
Williams introduced himself. He mentioned his work in Major League Baseball and the NBA. He asked me about my reporting background and complained about his allergies. He positioned the call as a “get to know you” but before we hung up, Williams questioned me about a column I’d written that cast some light on the Big 12’s relationship with a powerful consulting firm.
As my father once told me, “The free lunch is never really free.”
I’ve been critical of the some of the Big 12’s strategies and tactics in the last eight months. It has felt heavy handed at times. This week’s CBS Sports report citing “a Big 12 administrator” as the source is just a small part of a troubling trend. One that I wish would take a nap.
I happen to think the college athletics eco-system is better off with the ACC, Pac-12 and Big 12 all healthy and well-funded enough to keep the surging Big Ten and SEC in view of the front windshield.
A month after my first call with Williams, I received a text message from him. It read: “Hey John! What’s up my friend, Clark Williams here from the Big 12. Have a somewhat random question for you, let me know if you have a minute!”
I called.
Williams proceeded to tell me he read something on Reddit from anonymous poster who claimed I’d reported something inaccurate and critical about the Big 12. Williams said he’d hunted for it but came up empty. He told me he sifted through my radio-show archives, listened back to the weekly podcast I do with Jon Wilner, and read my columns.
“I couldn’t find it anywhere,” he said.
If there’s something I’ve actually written or said that is inaccurate, I want to know about it. I told Williams that. But I’m not in the business of refuting things that I didn’t report. I suspect Williams wanted me to know he was paying close attention to what I was reporting about the Big 12. Or maybe it was a brush-back pitch for some of my previous critical coverage. Who knows? But he was hassling me over something I didn’t report. It felt a little manipulative. I told him as much.
I don’t know who CBS Sports is leaning on for its sourcing. But the entity appears to be openly rooting for the downfall of the Pac-12. I find that odd for a news agency. Particularly when so many high-level Pac-12 sources have gone on the record to underscore how dedicated they are to the conference.
Phil DiStefano, Colorado’s chancellor, is the latest to go public. He told USA Today he thought “there’s a very good possibility” the Pac-12’s media deal would put the conference in the No. 3 spot among the Power 5 conferences, ahead of the Big 12 and ACC.
“We’re committed to the Pac-12,” DiStefano said. “What I’ve said along with the other presidents and chancellors is we’re not going to even think about going anywhere, none of us, until we see what kind of offer we get, and that’s still being worked out. And I’m confident it’s going to be fine.”
Then came the CBS Sports report.
Maybe the source cited in the news story is rooting for the downfall of the Pac-12 for the sport of it. Or maybe it’s more insidious. I’m told by a credible source that ESPN’s position was misrepresented to the CBS Sports reporter.
It’s no secret that the Big 12 would love to poach Colorado, Arizona and maybe Arizona State. To do that, however, would require the Pac-12 to end up with a media-rights deal so subpar that it left those schools little choice but to defect.
The reports in recent months about Ion and CW being engaged in negotiations with the Pac-12’s rights are an interesting study. They were also false. Those familiar with CW were particularly amused. CW had one early conversation with the Pac-12 last summer, but hadn’t talked with the conference in several months. That network cut a deal to broadcast LIV Golf but hired outside consultants to negotiate it. CW doesn’t have an in-house executive with sports-programming expertise.
I’m told that ESPN, Apple and Amazon all continue to expresss interest in carrying Pac-12 games. FS1 also needs to fill some important Pacific Time Zone windows. I’m told by a reliable source that — “yes” — FOX is also still engaged with the Pac-12.
I don’t know if ESPN is going to end up the Tier 1 partner for the Pac-12, but it still makes the most sense. These are strange times. Bob Thompson, the retired Fox Sports Networks president, told me that the layoffs, restructuring and economic pressures currently plaguing the industry are a “minor” factor in these kinds of negotiations.
“Got to have programming,” Thompson said.
For real.
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Post by namssa on May 4, 2023 10:20:40 GMT -8
The BIG12 is desperate not to be relegated to the 5th best conference and is doing everything in its power to try and hurt the PAC10 to stay ahead of them. Sad.
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Post by Boise Aztec on May 4, 2023 10:25:21 GMT -8
Padres played baseball game in Mexico City and there were numerous comments about the thin air and breathing there where altitude is even higher then every MW school so can imagine football or basketball games What I would find useful is for the PAC to investigate how it could expand TV Viewing near the TJ or other areas - as there are fans who like American football as well as Soccer Mexico City is basically Laramie |
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Post by Boise Aztec on May 4, 2023 10:28:49 GMT -8
I used to love visiting Mexico, won't cross the border anymore. Have you ever looked at the list of cities with the highest homicide rates? If not, take a peak: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_homicide_rateFYI, there are 115,000 missing people in Mexico right now, so these stats are way underreported. Counterpoint -- tho not necessarily a compelling one -- neither Monterey nor Mexico City are on the list of top 50 "highest homicide rates in the world of all cities not at war, with a population of at least 300,000 people, and all relevant data available online". However, there are seven US cities that are on the list. Tulane is a possible expansion candidate for the PAC -- are you going to refuse to play games there because they are the top US city on the list? Likewise, PAC cities (or nearby cities) Phoenix, Tucson, Portland, Los Angeles, Oakland and Denver have more homicides per 100,000 of population than does Mexico City. I've never really been to Mexico -- at least not in the last 50 years. But I read the stories about the drug cartels and safety should be an obvious concern about scheduling games in Mexico. Fairly or unfairly, I don't think I would ever visit the country. So counterpoint of not, I'm not really disagreeing with you. Hopefully, the Big 12 will be able to provide a secure arrangement. As for San Diego not being on the list of schools with reach into Mexico, you obviously have reach -- although as I understand it, you don't even have a Spanish language radio broadcast in TJ so, if that's true, you aren't trying to take advantage of it. I think that the article was focusing on Big 12 schools and expansion candidates and you are viewed as a PAC candidate. Or maybe they were just dissing you. Anyway, an Aztec warrior would obviously be far more easily marketable in Mexico than would a Bulldog, or really any of the PAC or Big 12 mascots. Please don’t compare any city in Central, South America, most of Africa and most of Asia with Europe or the US/Canada… they are always way, way off on their crime stats… if you think that cities in Mexico are safe you are smoking crack |
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Post by tuff on May 4, 2023 10:31:57 GMT -8
Considering the topic of "Big XII Mexico", where Big XII football & basketball games would be played in Monterrey and Mexico City, name me the #1 possible Big XII school actual fans from "Mexico" would openly favor & cheer for in record numbers (I've already heard opinions of this topic on more than one occasion on these Big XII youtube channels). One video favored the BYU "Cougars" because of the large LDS population metrics throughout the country of Mexico. Another talked about possible future Big XII member Fresno State "Bulldogs" because of the Hispanic population demographics around the Fresno area... while another video pointed towards possible future member Arizona "Wildcats" because the school is located about an hour north of the US/Mexico Border. Each video conversation failed miserably to present the obvious overwhelming choice: The #1 team fans across "Mexico" would obviously cheer for would be none other than potential future Big XII member San Diego State "Aztecs"!!! The "Aztecs" would no doubt dominate local fan support in any given location throughout the country of "Mexico"! And the best part? A local "Mexican" Montezuma could make his appearance throughout the stands among the fans of Mexico... coupled with various local colorful Mexican Aztec Warrior Folkloric Dancers... and the local crowds would scream with delight in support of our team wherever SDSU decided to play their games! In all honesty, Big XII "Mexico" could be the hidden gem SDSU Athletics needs. Maybe the Pac-12 could do the same. Mexico isn't reserved for only the Big XII you know... Or let's market SDSU because we have the Midway and we can play conference basketball games on an aircraft carrier! C'mon, don't take that idea seriously - it's just a gimmicky idea that is not sustainable. You really want the drug cartels running or meddling in or conference/games? They basically run Mexico right now. I used to love visiting Mexico, won't cross the border anymore. Have you ever looked at the list of cities with the highest homicide rates? If not, take a peak: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_homicide_rateFYI, there are 115,000 missing people in Mexico right now, so these stats are way underreported. I notice one thing in common for the American cities on the top 50 list. Lol. |
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Post by TheSanDiegan on May 4, 2023 11:23:51 GMT -8
I used to love visiting Mexico, won't cross the border anymore. Have you ever looked at the list of cities with the highest homicide rates? If not, take a peak: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_homicide_rateFYI, there are 115,000 missing people in Mexico right now, so these stats are way underreported. Counterpoint -- tho not necessarily a compelling one -- neither Monterey nor Mexico City are on the list of top 50 "highest homicide rates in the world of all cities not at war, with a population of at least 300,000 people, and all relevant data available online". However, there are seven US cities that are on the list. Tulane is a possible expansion candidate for the PAC -- are you going to refuse to play games there because they are the top US city on the list? Likewise, PAC cities (or nearby cities) Phoenix, Tucson, Portland, Los Angeles, Oakland and Denver have more homicides per 100,000 of population than does Mexico City. I've never really been to Mexico -- at least not in the last 50 years. But I read the stories about the drug cartels and safety should be an obvious concern about scheduling games in Mexico. Fairly or unfairly, I don't think I would ever visit the country. So counterpoint of not, I'm not really disagreeing with you. Hopefully, the Big 12 will be able to provide a secure arrangement. As for San Diego not being on the list of schools with reach into Mexico, you obviously have reach -- although as I understand it, you don't even have a Spanish language radio broadcast in TJ so, if that's true, you aren't trying to take advantage of it. I think that the article was focusing on Big 12 schools and expansion candidates and you are viewed as a PAC candidate. Or maybe they were just dissing you. Anyway, an Aztec warrior would obviously be far more easily marketable in Mexico than would a Bulldog, or really any of the PAC or Big 12 mascots. Counterpoint - you're an idiot. Nine of the ten cities with the highest reported homicide rate in the world are in Mexico. And we live adjacent to one of them. So no thanks... you can take your wet dream of a sheep-shaped Big12 piñata filled with happy tissues the F out of here now. Okay now bye bye then.  |
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Post by TheSanDiegan on May 4, 2023 11:26:12 GMT -8
Or let's market SDSU because we have the Midway and we can play conference basketball games on an aircraft carrier! C'mon, don't take that idea seriously - it's just a gimmicky idea that is not sustainable. You really want the drug cartels running or meddling in or conference/games? They basically run Mexico right now. I used to love visiting Mexico, won't cross the border anymore. Have you ever looked at the list of cities with the highest homicide rates? If not, take a peak: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_homicide_rateFYI, there are 115,000 missing people in Mexico right now, so these stats are way underreported. I notice one thing in common for the American cities on the top 50 list. Lol. And what is that? |
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Post by zurac315 on May 4, 2023 11:32:52 GMT -8
Considering the topic of "Big XII Mexico", where Big XII football & basketball games would be played in Monterrey and Mexico City, name me the #1 possible Big XII school actual fans from "Mexico" would openly favor & cheer for in record numbers (I've already heard opinions of this topic on more than one occasion on these Big XII youtube channels). One video favored the BYU "Cougars" because of the large LDS population metrics throughout the country of Mexico. Another talked about possible future Big XII member Fresno State "Bulldogs" because of the Hispanic population demographics around the Fresno area... while another video pointed towards possible future member Arizona "Wildcats" because the school is located about an hour north of the US/Mexico Border. Each video conversation failed miserably to present the obvious overwhelming choice: The #1 team fans across "Mexico" would obviously cheer for would be none other than potential future Big XII member San Diego State "Aztecs"!!! The "Aztecs" would no doubt dominate local fan support in any given location throughout the country of "Mexico"! And the best part? A local "Mexican" Montezuma could make his appearance throughout the stands among the fans of Mexico... coupled with various local colorful Mexican Aztec Warrior Folkloric Dancers... and the local crowds would scream with delight in support of our team wherever SDSU decided to play their games! In all honesty, Big XII "Mexico" could be the hidden gem SDSU Athletics needs. Maybe the Pac-12 could do the same. Mexico isn't reserved for only the Big XII you know... Or let's market SDSU because we have the Midway and we can play conference basketball games on an aircraft carrier! C'mon, don't take that idea seriously - it's just a gimmicky idea that is not sustainable. You really want the drug cartels running or meddling in or conference/games? They basically run Mexico right now. I used to love visiting Mexico, won't cross the border anymore. Have you ever looked at the list of cities with the highest homicide rates? If not, take a peak: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_homicide_rateFYI, there are 115,000 missing people in Mexico right now, so these stats are way underreported. Well, I guess I'll be staying out of New Orleans. |
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Post by mactec on May 4, 2023 11:47:47 GMT -8
I notice one thing in common for the American cities on the top 50 list. Lol. And what is that? Don't fall for the bait, we already know he's going to blame democrats for the fact that large cities have more crime than rural areas. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on May 4, 2023 12:20:51 GMT -8
OK. We've gotten WAY off track here. Let's take a break for a few days until some actual news comes out.
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