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Post by longtimebooster on Jun 30, 2022 9:57:56 GMT -8
Now that it appears USC and UCLA are bolting for $Greener Pastures$, how will the P12 be constituted in the future?
Here's my whack at it:
Washington
Washington St.
Oregon
Oregon St.
Cal
Stanford
Arizona
Arizona St.
Colorado
Utah
UNLV
SDSU
Other Possible Additions:
Fresno St.
Boise St.
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Post by laaztec on Jun 30, 2022 10:05:48 GMT -8
SDSU,UNLV, Boise are all real possibles. Fresno doesn’t bring anything new if Stanford and Cal Stay. Boise might be better suited for the Big 12 though.
Either way SDSU and Boise won’t be in the MWC much longer.
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Post by longtimebooster on Jun 30, 2022 10:32:13 GMT -8
SDSU,UNLV, Boise are all real possibles. Fresno doesn’t bring anything new if Stanford and Cal Stay. Boise might be better suited for the Big 12 though. Either way SDSU and Boise won’t be in the MWC much longer. I have been saying for 25 years that SDSU and UNLV make the best tandem partners for an addition to any league. Yes, UNLV's academics are iffy, but they are much improved from a couple decades ago, and they've added both a med school and law school. Both schools have sparkling new stadia, though UNLV shares theirs with the Raiders, and both are world-class destinations. Further, it's telling that the P12 relocated their conference HQ to Vegas last year. |
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Post by Snohomie-Aztec on Jun 30, 2022 10:39:07 GMT -8
It might already be time to do that stadium expansion.
PS - does anyone know how that would work?
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Post by chris92065 on Jun 30, 2022 11:05:18 GMT -8
Now that it appears USC and UCLA are bolting for $Greener Pastures$, how will the P12 be constituted in the future? Here's my whack at it: Washington Washington St. Oregon Oregon St. Cal Stanford Arizona Arizona St. Colorado Utah UNLV
SDSU
Other Possible Additions: Fresno St. Boise St. I agree. Unlv and sdsu are the only 2 schools that make sense. Question is what types of tv package would sdsu and unlv bring? |
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Post by longtimesdsufan on Jun 30, 2022 11:10:44 GMT -8
Colorado St would make a good partner for Colorado, so they are in it also.
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Post by longtimebooster on Jun 30, 2022 11:11:04 GMT -8
Wicker has called a press conference for 2 pm today.
He’s going to be on with Darren Smith at 12:30.
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Post by sdcoug on Jun 30, 2022 11:14:12 GMT -8
Colorado St would make a good partner for Colorado, so they are in it also. Which would make it difficult for Utah. I think CSU is a better fit with the B12. |
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Post by socalaztecfan on Jun 30, 2022 11:42:58 GMT -8
Don't forget, SDSU La Crosse is already in the Pac 12.
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Post by survalli on Jun 30, 2022 11:50:00 GMT -8
Pac12 is dead, discussion is that they will be poached by both the B12 and B10
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Post by sdcoug on Jun 30, 2022 12:00:47 GMT -8
Pac12 is dead, discussion is that they will be poached by both the B12 and B10 The main P12 schools aren't leaving for the B12. Oregon would jump to B1G, assuming their state legislature lets them, but not the B12. Same with UW, Stanford, etc. The B12's revenue isn't going to be any higher than P12 sans LA. |
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Post by survalli on Jun 30, 2022 12:10:04 GMT -8
Pac12 is dead, discussion is that they will be poached by both the B12 and B10 The main P12 schools aren't leaving for the B12. Oregon would jump to B1G, assuming their state legislature lets them, but not the B12. Same with UW, Stanford, etc. The B12's revenue isn't going to be any higher than P12 sans LA. Media deal for Pac2 expires in 2023, if the schools cannot get more than what they get from the B12 or B1G then its over. That is what the PAC12 fans are speculating right now. 4 Conferences with 16 members. you do math on the teams. some schools are going to get screwed over, and those package deals with Oregon/OSU, WA/WSU, Zona/ASU, are going to leave some schools holding the bag, but the majority are going to find soft landings. |
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Post by sdcoug on Jun 30, 2022 12:20:34 GMT -8
The main P12 schools aren't leaving for the B12. Oregon would jump to B1G, assuming their state legislature lets them, but not the B12. Same with UW, Stanford, etc. The B12's revenue isn't going to be any higher than P12 sans LA. Media deal for Pac2 expires in 2023, if the schools cannot get more than what they get from the B12 or B1G then its over. That is what the PAC12 fans are speculating right now. 4 Conferences with 16 members. you do math on the teams. some schools are going to get screwed over, and those package deals with Oregon/OSU, WA/WSU, Zona/ASU, are going to leave some schools holding the bag, but the majority are going to find soft landings. As a P12 alum, I'm aware of the speculation. But also know that the B12 has zero appeal. The P12's projected deal was expected to fall way short of the B1G - it'll never be on their level even with LA, but it was expected to greatly exceed the B12's & it still should match the B12s even without LA. The wildcards are Colorado & Utah, which could flip the script. Only time will tell. |
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Post by Aztec For Life on Jun 30, 2022 12:31:36 GMT -8
I see SDSU and Lambs as top 2 choices. CSU is very good academically, has a new stadium, and is very close to Boulder.
If they took 4 MWC teams, I think the next two would be UNLV and either Boise or Fresno.
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Post by survalli on Jun 30, 2022 12:35:32 GMT -8
Media deal for Pac2 expires in 2023, if the schools cannot get more than what they get from the B12 or B1G then its over. That is what the PAC12 fans are speculating right now. 4 Conferences with 16 members. you do math on the teams. some schools are going to get screwed over, and those package deals with Oregon/OSU, WA/WSU, Zona/ASU, are going to leave some schools holding the bag, but the majority are going to find soft landings. As a P12 alum, I'm aware of the speculation. But also know that the B12 has zero appeal. The P12's projected deal was expected to fall way short of the B1G - it'll never be on their level even with LA, but it was expected to greatly exceed the B12's & it still should match the B12s even without LA. The wildcards are Colorado & Utah, which could flip the script. Only time will tell. certainly the Big12 has zero appeal at the moment, but if it gains WA, Oregon, CAL, AZ, for example; You would think there negotiating power increases over what it would be if the Pac12 stands pat with the exit of UCLA and USC. If Oregon and WA for instance go to the B1G, what is the value for the remaining members? Interesting times. i think and i've been arguing with my AZ coworker that AZ/ASU are going to get screwed and SDSU is in a good position, but even the most hardcore Aztec fan should be nervous of the prospect of being shut out of the Power 64 group. |
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Post by sdcoug on Jun 30, 2022 12:45:44 GMT -8
As a P12 alum, I'm aware of the speculation. But also know that the B12 has zero appeal. The P12's projected deal was expected to fall way short of the B1G - it'll never be on their level even with LA, but it was expected to greatly exceed the B12's & it still should match the B12s even without LA. The wildcards are Colorado & Utah, which could flip the script. Only time will tell. certainly the Big12 has zero appeal at the moment, but if it gains WA, Oregon, CAL, AZ, for example; You would think there negotiating power increases over what it would be if the Pac12 stands pat with the exit of UCLA and USC. If Oregon and WA for instance go to the B1G, what is the value for the remaining members? Interesting times. i think and i've been arguing with my AZ coworker that AZ/ASU are going to get screwed and SDSU is in a good position, but even the most hardcore Aztec fan should be nervous of the prospect of being shut out of the Power 64 group. SDSU is positioned extremely well. We shouldn't be nervous. We should be excited. If we should be nervous about anything IMO its that D1 breaks into 2 subdivisions - the top 40, meaning the B1G/SEC add the top 8 remaining programs, with the BOR forming a 2nd tier. But even in that scenario I think we're positioned very well & the net-net from that BOR could mean a combination of the best from the P12, B12 & MWC, where we're the best of the MWC. UW & Oregon are going to have a difficult time going to the B1G w/o WSU & OSU going with them. The state legislature would fight it very hard. There have been conversations in the past about the very same thing. They're definitely not leaving the P12 for the B12 unless Colorado/Utah bolt for the B1G (or ASU/UA go to the B12) first, all which are unlikely. The B1G is at a strong 16, on par size wise with the SEC. I doubt they go to 18. I just don't see Colorado/Utah/ASU/UA bolting for the current B12, which would be necessary to drag anyone else there. PS. I could see a scenario where Stanford & Cal also jump, but think that's a longshot. USC/UCLA have always fought to ensure they play each other every year despite being in different divisions, and both Stan/Cal are AAU institutions. I'm just not sure they go bigger than 16. But any invite to the B1G would make financial sense. Just not the B12, yet. |
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Post by goodonyou on Jun 30, 2022 12:48:33 GMT -8
Don't forget, SDSU La Crosse is already in the Pac 12. So is men's soccer. |
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Post by AzTex on Jun 30, 2022 13:32:08 GMT -8
It might already be time to do that stadium expansion. PS - does anyone know how that would work? I don't know how it would work, but my best guess would be to add upper decks on the north and south end zones like there is on the east side. |
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Post by aztecfred on Jun 30, 2022 13:38:47 GMT -8
It might already be time to do that stadium expansion. PS - does anyone know how that would work? I don't know how it would work, but my best guess would be to add upper decks on the north and south end zones like there is on the east side. North end yes! South??? |
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Post by standiego on Jun 30, 2022 13:47:21 GMT -8
First and most important for TV deals and would guess that is where the BIG is looking - What have TV Networks told the BIG
USC and UCLA provide a good amount of viewers and advertisers
So does the BIG strictly want to add those 2 schools or does it possibly want to make a BIG West / Midwest - Division - Again this decision is up to the TV Networks as to what they would pay
Is adding USC and UCLA enough so TV pays more then SEC with Texas and Sooners. Money is so key
Schools that would add viewers Houston , Stanford , Ducks If they do not have to bring OSU , Same with Huskies and WSU , others that maybe considered , Utah , Colorado , not sure if Arizona beats out ASU that has Phoenix area ? or would BIG consider Memphis and UCF to dip into the South
Most important is what does TV want ? Viewers and Businesses that would buy ads
Does put the remaining PAC or Left Over Pac and Left Over Big 12 in a very interesting Position - do they merge into the Left Over Conference
Going to be very interesting to see what Money Group is in the drivers seat
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