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Post by Den60 on Apr 29, 2023 15:13:12 GMT -8
For once you are absolutely right. Just got sent a picture of Yourmark waiting the the PAC exodus to the B12:  When did Pablo Escobar get involved in this conversation? Oops, you're right, posted the wrong picture. This was the one I meant to post:  |
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Post by gocoaztec on Apr 29, 2023 15:59:07 GMT -8
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Post by Cwag on Apr 29, 2023 16:03:59 GMT -8
has JD said the B12 is a better conference or is that your wet dream? |
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Post by gocoaztec on Apr 29, 2023 16:18:54 GMT -8
has JD said the B12 is a better conference or is that your wet dream? I think JD can do the math. OTOH, DLT is Cal/P12 thru and thru. We can only hope the P12 continues to flounder like a Kardashian on Jeopardy. So far, so good. |
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Post by Boise Aztec on Apr 29, 2023 16:21:48 GMT -8
1. Find it very difficult to believe that the Big 12 would feel any regret if PAC teams left the PAC to join the Big 12 - it could easily increase their TV Deal and possibly higher then the ACC and of course over the PAC . Would move them to the third best P5 conference . Big 12 has been openly courting PAC schools . 2. Would venture a guess that if the PAC stays together or at least 8 key members - the Big 12 would say they were not even trying to get PAC schools were just being nice 3. As some have reported Fox Sports has been trying to increase their value over ESPN - so had a very Large input into the BIG getting UCLA / USC and also working with the BIG - again mostly to increase their stature and take down ESPN - not hurt the PAC 4. Both sides of the PAC TV deal - are now letting their various surrogates put comments out there for leverage as this is a Big Business Deal - both sides working various media with "inside or Expert Opinions . 5. By the way the BIG Alums have organized to halt expansion until they at least see what happens with USC and UCLA - does it work for the current BIG schools 6. Yoda know you are a fan of both Fresno and SDSU - and realize that if the Big 12 could add PAC schools there might not be any need to add any MW schools - So you might prefer that the PAC survives and might want to add schoolS and or maybe the Big 12 also think of expansion 1. I think that the Big 12 would love to pick up as many as 3 of the bigger PAC schools / markets. But I don't think that they want their fingerprints on it. Hence, I don't think you will find any comments by the Big 12 or its members expressing a desire to add any particular PAC schools. Recall that, last week, the Colorado president stated that they hadn't been asked to join the Big 12. Yormark is taking phone calls but I don't think he's going to ask; I think he'll wait to be asked. 2. As long as the Big 12 doesn't ask, he can honestly state that they were not trying to get any PAC schools. It's a technicality -- everybody knows that they want some PAC schools. 3. I know nothing about that... 4. Honestly, I don't buy that. The presidents and their consultants (for both conferences) are not that stupid that they would be impacted by leaked or planted stories in the media. Most of the media stuff has to do with selling product/clicks. 5. Maybe, but I think that the conference will do what it needs to do -- not what its alums necessarily want them to do. If the PAC alumni said "No to SDSU" for academic reasons, I don't think that the PAC's consultants or presidents would pay them any heed at all. 6. I'm a fan of Fresno State first and a fan of maintaining our rivalry second. I'm sort of a fan of SDSU -- as much as a fan as you can be, considering the rivalry. It is better for the rivalry if you and we rise together. So I wish you well -- unless you are playing us or unless we need you to lose. As for the PAC surviving, I don't care. What I care about is that be get into the Big 12 and this damn thing gets resolved very soon. Fingerprints… they openly called for P12 members to come to the B12 😂😂😂 |
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Post by darksidereturns on Apr 29, 2023 17:55:08 GMT -8
The B12 is the the safety school you applied to just to make sure you had a place to attend. The PAC is the school you applied to hoping to get in. So the BIG10 announced their media rights in mid August with a start date 10.5 months later. The Pac media right are good for what 14 more months? I get that people have said it will be done soon, but is there really a hurry? If the reply is yes they should hurry because members will jump to the B12....well that isn't what anyone has said. The PAC consistently says we're are working out a deal, we are unified and it will come soon. I'd guess the June 30 is the day that we would all say they are floundering and blundering their opportunity. That means they have two months to negotiate. And if they get the deal done by June 30 that will be a month and a half before the B10 in terms of the expiration date. |
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Post by Den60 on Apr 29, 2023 19:37:56 GMT -8
Just have to ask, what blunders has Klaivikoff made during this current realignment? |
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Post by Den60 on Apr 29, 2023 19:42:37 GMT -8
1. I think that the Big 12 would love to pick up as many as 3 of the bigger PAC schools / markets. But I don't think that they want their fingerprints on it. Hence, I don't think you will find any comments by the Big 12 or its members expressing a desire to add any particular PAC schools. Recall that, last week, the Colorado president stated that they hadn't been asked to join the Big 12. Yormark is taking phone calls but I don't think he's going to ask; I think he'll wait to be asked. 2. As long as the Big 12 doesn't ask, he can honestly state that they were not trying to get any PAC schools. It's a technicality -- everybody knows that they want some PAC schools. 3. I know nothing about that... 4. Honestly, I don't buy that. The presidents and their consultants (for both conferences) are not that stupid that they would be impacted by leaked or planted stories in the media. Most of the media stuff has to do with selling product/clicks. 5. Maybe, but I think that the conference will do what it needs to do -- not what its alums necessarily want them to do. If the PAC alumni said "No to SDSU" for academic reasons, I don't think that the PAC's consultants or presidents would pay them any heed at all. 6. I'm a fan of Fresno State first and a fan of maintaining our rivalry second. I'm sort of a fan of SDSU -- as much as a fan as you can be, considering the rivalry. It is better for the rivalry if you and we rise together. So I wish you well -- unless you are playing us or unless we need you to lose. As for the PAC surviving, I don't care. What I care about is that be get into the Big 12 and this damn thing gets resolved very soon. Fingerprints… they openly called for P12 members to come to the B12 😂😂😂 One thing for certain, in Yoda land, when we finally get to announce we are in the PAC the B12 will surely counter that quickly by announcing they have invited Fresno St. Right? Yoda, right? |
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Post by myownwords on Apr 29, 2023 19:45:06 GMT -8
Just have to ask, what blunders has Klaivikoff made during this current realignment? \ In my mind, what beclowns Kick-Ass Kliavkoff is that he promised too much at the outset. He didn't know how much he didn't know and may have set in motion this protracted imbroglio. |
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Post by gocoaztec on Apr 29, 2023 19:50:55 GMT -8
The B12 is the the safety school you applied to just to make sure you had a place to attend. The PAC is the school you applied to hoping to get in. So the BIG10 announced their media rights in mid August with a start date 10.5 months later. The Pac media right are good for what 14 more months? I get that people have said it will be done soon, but is there really a hurry? If the reply is yes they should hurry because members will jump to the B12....well that isn't what anyone has said. The PAC consistently says we're are working out a deal, we are unified and it will come soon. I'd guess the June 30 is the day that we would all say they are floundering and blundering their opportunity. That means they have two months to negotiate. And if they get the deal done by June 30 that will be a month and a half before the B10 in terms of the expiration date. The B10 deal was ground breaking in scope. The B12 deal was similar to the P12 deal and done in about 2 months. Remember when Wilner, who is about as pro PAC as you’re going to find, made this bold prediction: “If the end of March arrives and the same state of uncertainty still exists, then survival will be favored over extinction by merely a field goal”. He quickly realized that if he stuck with his stated 0.5 point reduction per week, he would soon have to report that the extinction of the P12 was favored over survival, so he changed the rules (it’s his game after all) and froze the odds as favoring the P12 by 3.5 points. And it’s remained there - last I read he still believes that the P12 is favored over….EXTINCTION….by a mighty 3.5 points. Many on here seem to love Wilner and believe he has the most and best PAC info, but they seem perfectly fine with his stated belief that there is a very high probability that the PAC goes extinct. As Wilner originally opined, the longer this drags out, the lower the probability of success - but at a certain point you have to temper the truth or you lose too many readers. Its like a bunch of T Rex’s are looking up at a meteor racing towards earth, and one of them says “don’t worry, we’re favored by 3.5 points”. |
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Post by Yoda on Apr 29, 2023 20:28:38 GMT -8
Remember when Wilner, who is about as pro PAC as you’re going to find, made this bold prediction: “If the end of March arrives and the same state of uncertainty still exists, then survival will be favored over extinction by merely a field goal”. He quickly realized that if he stuck with his stated 0.5 point reduction per week, he would soon have to report that the extinction of the P12 was favored over survival, so he changed the rules (it’s his game after all) and froze the odds as favoring the P12 by 3.5 points. And it’s remained there - last I read he still believes that the P12 is favored over….EXTINCTION….by a mighty 3.5 points. Many on here seem to love Wilner and believe he has the most and best PAC info, but they seem perfectly fine with his stated belief that there is a very high probability that the PAC goes extinct. As Wilner originally opined, the longer this drags out, the lower the probability of success - but at a certain point you have to temper the truth or you lose too many readers. Its like a bunch of T Rex’s are looking up at a meteor racing towards earth, and one of them says “don’t worry, we’re favored by 3.5 points”. In fairness to Wilner, his mistake was in believing the timelines that the PAC and its members were advancing. GK controlled the narrative and made Wilner look stupid in the process. The delays rendered his little formula absurd and he had to drop it. I have no idea whether the PAC is going to survive or not. As always, it depends on the TV deal -- the amount and particularly the exposure. GK has been clueless on the TV piece from day one. I think he predicted $50 mil a school at the start. I know he predicted $40 mil at one point, then beating the Big 12's deal was going to be a slam dunk and tier one was going to be linear and the deal would be announced "soon", a half dozen "soons" ago. Now recent reports, if they are to be believed, puts the figure at more like a conditional $22 mil with 80% streaming. But I don't know if those reports should be believed or not. And neither do you -- which makes absolutist claims about how great everything will turn out just look silly. Months into this, we could both end up in a P-5 conference or we could both end up in the MWC -- or anywhere in between. I'm ready for this to be over.... |
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Post by jdaztec on Apr 29, 2023 21:07:20 GMT -8
I strongly believe that the possibility of stronger academics and research are huge drivers for our desire to ba a part of The PAC. If you are talking sports alone then The Big12 is possibly the better option in that case maybe we can carve out The Innovation District and deed it over to UCSD.
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Post by SD Johnny on Apr 29, 2023 22:44:27 GMT -8
If the Big 12 had the ability they would take Pac 12 schools without question and they aren’t concerned with decorum one bit. The Big Ten can kill the Pac but Oregon and Washington are money losers so that’s not happening…at least this cycle. If the typical Fresno fan is like Yoda and legitimately things the Big 12 has interest in then I can’t imagine how painful the reality check is going to be once they realize they are Mountain West for life.
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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on Apr 30, 2023 0:14:31 GMT -8
Do you really think the president at Oregon and Washington are listening to Twitter and using that to base their decisions? Are you serious? If that tweet is true, do you really think that the Presidents of Oregon and Washington didn't know about it long before the guy who posted it to Twitter? Bro, you said “NOW” Oregon and Washington have another reason not to sign a GOR. That implies that since the story was leaked by this source Oregon and Washington may reconsider. If you’re saying the schools knew about this previously you wouldn’t use now, as now implies a present tense. Soo based upon the language used in your tweets it appears you believe this new leak will affect Oregon and Washington’s decisions. |
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Post by Yoda on Apr 30, 2023 3:09:34 GMT -8
Are you serious? If that tweet is true, do you really think that the Presidents of Oregon and Washington didn't know about it long before the guy who posted it to Twitter? Bro, you said “NOW” Oregon and Washington have another reason not to sign a GOR. That implies that since the story was leaked by this source Oregon and Washington may reconsider. If you’re saying the schools knew about this previously you wouldn’t use now, as now implies a present tense. Soo based upon the language used in your tweets it appears you believe this new leak will affect Oregon and Washington’s decisions. LOL... Okay, fine. If that interpretation is what you choose to believe, then you run with that. I am not going to debate semantics with you. You can keep your "gotcha moment", unchallenged. Yoda, who says that he doesn't trust anybody's sources, believes that the PAC Presidents are so ignorant that they make policy decisions based upon internet reports and rumors. Boy is that Yoda stupid. Yeah, you. |
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Post by Yoda on Apr 30, 2023 3:41:39 GMT -8
Fingerprints… they openly called for P12 members to come to the B12 😂😂😂 Do you have a link to support that? I honestly don't recall a single instance where the Big 12, be it Yormark or a president, has "openly called for P12 members to come to the B12?" The closest that I can think of was when Yormark said that the Big 12 was "open for business" -- to which Kliavkoff responded: "With respect to the Big 12 being open for business, I appreciate that. We haven't decided if we're going shopping there yet or not." The problem was, Kliavkoff made that comment about the PAC; Yormark didn't. He didn't mention the PAC or it's members as being targets and they were and are looking at schools in the east as well. In fact, I'd be stunned if the first call he took wasn't from Memphis. And even now, there is some sentiment within the conference that the Big 12 should only take two western teams in the belief that a couple of spots should be reserved for ACC schools, once the Big 10 and SEC carve that conference up. So again, do you have any link that supports your claim that the Big 12 has "openly called for P12 members to come to the B12?" |
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Post by gocoaztec on Apr 30, 2023 4:07:21 GMT -8
Just have to ask, what blunders has Klaivikoff made during this current realignment? “The historic alliance announced today between the Pac-12, ACC and Big Ten is grounded in a commitment to our student-athletes,” said Pac-12 Commissioner George Kliavkoff. “We believe that collaborating together we are stronger in our commitment to addressing the broad issues and opportunities facing college athletics.” - Aug 2021. “When Dellenger asked Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff whether the Alliance would continue, Kliavkoff had a one-word answer: “No.” - Jul 2022. Do you need more? |
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Post by Yoda on Apr 30, 2023 4:17:47 GMT -8
Just have to ask, what blunders has Klaivikoff made during this current realignment? “The historic alliance announced today between the Pac-12, ACC and Big Ten is grounded in a commitment to our student-athletes,” said Pac-12 Commissioner George Kliavkoff. “We believe that collaborating together we are stronger in our commitment to addressing the broad issues and opportunities facing college athletics.” - Aug 2021. “When Dellenger asked Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff whether the Alliance would continue, Kliavkoff had a one-word answer: “No.” - Jul 2022. Do you need more? His biggest failing, in my view, is that he has done a horrible job of managing expectations. He's made a shambles of "under promise and over deliver" -- promising a continually decreasing contract size while consistently failing to meet stated (or at least implied) timelines. One could make the argument, not necessarily convincingly, that the current instability in the PAC is less a result of USC and UCLA leaving than it is of Kliavkoff's mismanagement of the aftermath. |
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Post by docmm on Apr 30, 2023 6:51:03 GMT -8
Story in "The Athletic" today quoting a lot from the Univ of Illinois Chancellor when questioned about possible further BIG10 expansion. This Chancellor is also the chair of the BIG10's Council of Presidents and Chancellors.
"We’re doing analysis, the cost, the benefits of staying at 16 or moving up. It’s not something we’re going to do just to react to what other conferences may choose to do. We’re only going to do what’s best for our current membership, and there has to be some value added for expanding beyond.”
"He said the conference has not decided whether it would only add future schools as full members, which earn the exact same share of media rights revenue as the existing members. “We don’t have a position on that yet,” Jones said. He reiterated that the league would need to know that any additional schools bring enough value to make such a move worthwhile. He said it would be a “data-driven decision that aligns with the vision of where we want to see the conference in the next decade and the decades beyond.”
It certainly sounds like Oregon, Washington, Stanford and/or Cal are still on the table down the road. It would make more sense that their conference have a whole Western Division instead of just UCLA and USC.
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Post by Yoda on Apr 30, 2023 7:15:02 GMT -8
It certainly sounds like Oregon, Washington, Stanford and/or Cal are still on the table down the road. It would make more sense that their conference have a whole Western Division instead of just UCLA and USC. Like the NBA and the NFL, the B1G doesn't need two members in the Pacific Northwest -- Washington will be in; Oregon will not. Likewise, they don't need two in the Bay Area. I would expect Cal to get the nod, except that Stanford and Notre Dame are in love -- so who knows? |
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