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Post by laaztec on Apr 29, 2023 7:32:15 GMT -8
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Post by Boise Aztec on Apr 29, 2023 7:33:43 GMT -8
I just think it's funny that a year and a half from now, we'll be in a P5 conference and this thread will be the closest Fresno will have been to getting into one. šš¤£šš¤£šš¤£ |
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Post by Boise Aztec on Apr 29, 2023 7:39:24 GMT -8
Pretty much everyone with the B1G has said what he said and that is why Warren is goneā¦ he was trying to drive something the schools didnāt wantā¦ No additional P12 schools are leaving for the B1G for at least seven years if everā¦ |
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Post by Yoda on Apr 29, 2023 8:08:35 GMT -8
Supposedly, both the B1G and the Big 12 don't want responsibility for crashing the PAC -- it's not good public relations. That's why the Big 12 is waiting for the PAC schools to come to them, instead of being proactive, putting a clock on them, etc. And that's why the B1G hasn't invited any more PAC schools -- they don't want to crash the conference. But when PAC schools bolt to the Big 12, the B1G can go after more PAC schools and rationalize it as going after the pickings of an already crashed conference.
Trash me if you want but it's a waste of bandwidth.
EDIT: For clarity, "supposedly" means that I've heard it from a couple of sources but I've never seen it in print, there's no video, etc. In other words, I'm passing on a rumor, not making a claim.
ANOTHER EDIT: So now there is someone claiming that they have sources saying more or less the same thing ==>
I have no idea who this tweeter is or how credible he is.
As one of the follow-ups said, now Washington and Oregon have another reason to refuse to sign the Grant of Rights.
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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on Apr 29, 2023 9:25:41 GMT -8
Supposedly, both the B1G and the Big 12 don't want responsibility for crashing the PAC -- it's not good public relations. That's why the Big 12 is waiting for the PAC schools to come to them, instead of being proactive, putting a clock on them, etc. And that's why the B1G hasn't invited any more PAC schools -- they don't want to crash the conference. But when PAC schools bolt to the Big 12, the B1G can go after more PAC schools and rationalize it as going after the pickings of an already crashed conference. Trash me if you want but it's a waste of bandwidth. EDIT: For clarity, "supposedly" means that I've heard it from a couple of sources but I've never seen it in print, there's no video, etc. In other words, I'm passing on a rumor, not making a claim. ANOTHER EDIT: So now there is someone claiming that they have sources saying more or less the same thing ==> I have no idea who this tweeter is or how credible he is. As one of the follow-ups said, now Washington and Oregon have another reason to refuse to sign the Grant of Rights. Big 12 / Endeavor Twitter trolls out in full force today trying to destabilize PAC. Not sure how successful this will be as I donāt see university presidents spending their days reading Twitter posts |
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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on Apr 29, 2023 9:34:04 GMT -8
Aztecs need to forget about PAC and jump to Big12. Itās clear the direction of college sports is heading to a P2 with B1G and SEC. The fight is on between PAC, big 12 and ACC for a best of the rest conference.
The Big 12 realizes their station in life and is busy going after the best of the rest. ( ie 4 corners and not Oregon/ Washington). They know ACC and PAC best teams are heading to the big 2 and are grabbing the mid level programs from those conferences. Eventually, the Oregon states of the world will be fighting to find conference. Plus, Big 12 is centrally located, making east and west expansion easier.
Time to be proactive and jump to the top non big 2 conference
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Post by Cwag on Apr 29, 2023 9:47:01 GMT -8
Aztec should ask for a full share and see if either conference wants them bad enough to give it to them.
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Post by standiego on Apr 29, 2023 9:50:46 GMT -8
Find it very difficult to believe that the Big 12 would feel any regret if PAC teams left the PAC to join the Big 12 - it could easily increase their TV Deal and possibly higher then the ACC and of course over the PAC . Would move them to the third best P5 conference . Big 12 has been openly courting PAC schools .
Would venture a guess that if the PAC stays together or at least 8 key members - the Big 12 would say they were not even trying to get PAC schools were just being nice
As some have reported Fox Sports has been trying to increase their value over ESPN - so had a very Large input into the BIG getting UCLA / USC and also working with the BIG - again mostly to increase their stature and take down ESPN - not hurt the PAC
Both sides of the PAC TV deal - are now letting their various surrogates put comments out there for leverage as this is a Big Business Deal - both sides working various media with "inside or Expert Opinions .
By the way the BIG Alums have organized to halt expansion until they at least see what happens with USC and UCLA - does it work for the current BIG schools
Yoda know you are a fan of both Fresno and SDSU - and realize that if the Big 12 could add PAC schools there might not be any need to add any MW schools - So you might prefer that the PAC survives and might want to add schoolS and or maybe the Big 12 also think of expansion
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Post by TheSanDiegan on Apr 29, 2023 11:15:56 GMT -8
Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah Trash me if you want but it's a waste of bandwidth.
EDIT: For clarity, "supposedly" means that I've heard it from a couple of sources but I've never seen it in print, there's no video, etc. In other words, I'm passing on a rumor, not making a claim.  |
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Post by Yoda on Apr 29, 2023 11:33:32 GMT -8
1. Find it very difficult to believe that the Big 12 would feel any regret if PAC teams left the PAC to join the Big 12 - it could easily increase their TV Deal and possibly higher then the ACC and of course over the PAC . Would move them to the third best P5 conference . Big 12 has been openly courting PAC schools . 2. Would venture a guess that if the PAC stays together or at least 8 key members - the Big 12 would say they were not even trying to get PAC schools were just being nice 3. As some have reported Fox Sports has been trying to increase their value over ESPN - so had a very Large input into the BIG getting UCLA / USC and also working with the BIG - again mostly to increase their stature and take down ESPN - not hurt the PAC 4. Both sides of the PAC TV deal - are now letting their various surrogates put comments out there for leverage as this is a Big Business Deal - both sides working various media with "inside or Expert Opinions . 5. By the way the BIG Alums have organized to halt expansion until they at least see what happens with USC and UCLA - does it work for the current BIG schools 6. Yoda know you are a fan of both Fresno and SDSU - and realize that if the Big 12 could add PAC schools there might not be any need to add any MW schools - So you might prefer that the PAC survives and might want to add schoolS and or maybe the Big 12 also think of expansion 1. I think that the Big 12 would love to pick up as many as 3 of the bigger PAC schools / markets. But I don't think that they want their fingerprints on it. Hence, I don't think you will find any comments by the Big 12 or its members expressing a desire to add any particular PAC schools. Recall that, last week, the Colorado president stated that they hadn't been asked to join the Big 12. Yormark is taking phone calls but I don't think he's going to ask; I think he'll wait to be asked. 2. As long as the Big 12 doesn't ask, he can honestly state that they were not trying to get any PAC schools. It's a technicality -- everybody knows that they want some PAC schools. 3. I know nothing about that... 4. Honestly, I don't buy that. The presidents and their consultants (for both conferences) are not that stupid that they would be impacted by leaked or planted stories in the media. Most of the media stuff has to do with selling product/clicks. 5. Maybe, but I think that the conference will do what it needs to do -- not what its alums necessarily want them to do. If the PAC alumni said "No to SDSU" for academic reasons, I don't think that the PAC's consultants or presidents would pay them any heed at all. 6. I'm a fan of Fresno State first and a fan of maintaining our rivalry second. I'm sort of a fan of SDSU -- as much as a fan as you can be, considering the rivalry. It is better for the rivalry if you and we rise together. So I wish you well -- unless you are playing us or unless we need you to lose. As for the PAC surviving, I don't care. What I care about is that be get into the Big 12 and this damn thing gets resolved very soon. |
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Post by obboy13 on Apr 29, 2023 12:19:18 GMT -8
Supposedly, both the B1G and the Big 12 don't want responsibility for crashing the PAC -- it's not good public relations. That's why the Big 12 is waiting for the PAC schools to come to them, instead of being proactive, putting a clock on them, etc. And that's why the B1G hasn't invited any more PAC schools -- they don't want to crash the conference. But when PAC schools bolt to the Big 12, the B1G can go after more PAC schools and rationalize it as going after the pickings of an already crashed conference. Trash me if you want but it's a waste of bandwidth. EDIT: For clarity, "supposedly" means that I've heard it from a couple of sources but I've never seen it in print, there's no video, etc. In other words, I'm passing on a rumor, not making a claim. ANOTHER EDIT: So now there is someone claiming that they have sources saying more or less the same thing ==> I have no idea who this tweeter is or how credible he is.As one of the follow-ups said, now Washington and Oregon have another reason to refuse to sign the Grant of Rights. Supposedly or not, this statement is patently ridiculous. Bad PR...  This unknown Bozo has as much credibility as you do yoda...none. Why don't you get the FSU president to put in another call to Yormack. Isn't it about time to report renewed interest in FSU by the Big 12? |
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Post by obboy13 on Apr 29, 2023 12:23:15 GMT -8
1. Find it very difficult to believe that the Big 12 would feel any regret if PAC teams left the PAC to join the Big 12 - it could easily increase their TV Deal and possibly higher then the ACC and of course over the PAC . Would move them to the third best P5 conference . Big 12 has been openly courting PAC schools . 2. Would venture a guess that if the PAC stays together or at least 8 key members - the Big 12 would say they were not even trying to get PAC schools were just being nice 3. As some have reported Fox Sports has been trying to increase their value over ESPN - so had a very Large input into the BIG getting UCLA / USC and also working with the BIG - again mostly to increase their stature and take down ESPN - not hurt the PAC 4. Both sides of the PAC TV deal - are now letting their various surrogates put comments out there for leverage as this is a Big Business Deal - both sides working various media with "inside or Expert Opinions . 5. By the way the BIG Alums have organized to halt expansion until they at least see what happens with USC and UCLA - does it work for the current BIG schools 6. Yoda know you are a fan of both Fresno and SDSU - and realize that if the Big 12 could add PAC schools there might not be any need to add any MW schools - So you might prefer that the PAC survives and might want to add schoolS and or maybe the Big 12 also think of expansion I know nothing FIFY |
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Post by Boise Aztec on Apr 29, 2023 12:37:43 GMT -8
Supposedly, both the B1G and the Big 12 don't want responsibility for crashing the PAC -- it's not good public relations. That's why the Big 12 is waiting for the PAC schools to come to them, instead of being proactive, putting a clock on them, etc. And that's why the B1G hasn't invited any more PAC schools -- they don't want to crash the conference. But when PAC schools bolt to the Big 12, the B1G can go after more PAC schools and rationalize it as going after the pickings of an already crashed conference. Trash me if you want but it's a waste of bandwidth. EDIT: For clarity, "supposedly" means that I've heard it from a couple of sources but I've never seen it in print, there's no video, etc. In other words, I'm passing on a rumor, not making a claim. ANOTHER EDIT: So now there is someone claiming that they have sources saying more or less the same thing ==> I have no idea who this tweeter is or how credible he is. As one of the follow-ups said, now Washington and Oregon have another reason to refuse to sign the Grant of Rights. Every time someone from the P12 says something on record supporting the P12 or some source supports the P12 you have something ready to post that is negative. Now folks from both the B12 and B1G have clearly stated that they are not pursuing anyone (B1G) or not pursuing the P12 (B12) you come up with some BS from āsourcesā and then quote some dudeā¦ Why? Why are you wasting everyoneās time? In reality, to me and to State, it just doesnāt matterā¦ SDSU will be part of a unified P12 as a full member or they will be part of a unified B16ā¦ |
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Post by Den60 on Apr 29, 2023 13:02:50 GMT -8
The B12 would gladly take any of the majority of the PAC schools and/or SDSU. The PAC has no interest in any B12 team. That pretty much sums up who has the upper hand. The B12 promotes stability. Yet it is based on the fact that no conference wants to poach their teams. It would be like the MWC saying after SDSU leaves, we are a stable conference and should add OR state and WA state becuase the PAC will fail. The PAC could look at Houston in 2029. Travel partner for SMU. Add Tulane or Kansas for the academics. |
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Post by Den60 on Apr 29, 2023 13:07:33 GMT -8
Supposedly, both the B1G and the Big 12 don't want responsibility for crashing the PAC -- it's not good public relations. That's why the Big 12 is waiting for the PAC schools to come to them, instead of being proactive, putting a clock on them, etc. And that's why the B1G hasn't invited any more PAC schools -- they don't want to crash the conference. But when PAC schools bolt to the Big 12, the B1G can go after more PAC schools and rationalize it as going after the pickings of an already crashed conference. Trash me if you want but it's a waste of bandwidth. EDIT: For clarity, "supposedly" means that I've heard it from a couple of sources but I've never seen it in print, there's no video, etc. In other words, I'm passing on a rumor, not making a claim. ANOTHER EDIT: So now there is someone claiming that they have sources saying more or less the same thing ==> I have no idea who this tweeter is or how credible he is. As one of the follow-ups said, now Washington and Oregon have another reason to refuse to sign the Grant of Rights. For once you are absolutely right. Just got sent a picture of Yourmark waiting for the PAC exodus to the B12:  |
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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on Apr 29, 2023 14:07:33 GMT -8
Supposedly, both the B1G and the Big 12 don't want responsibility for crashing the PAC -- it's not good public relations. That's why the Big 12 is waiting for the PAC schools to come to them, instead of being proactive, putting a clock on them, etc. And that's why the B1G hasn't invited any more PAC schools -- they don't want to crash the conference. But when PAC schools bolt to the Big 12, the B1G can go after more PAC schools and rationalize it as going after the pickings of an already crashed conference. Trash me if you want but it's a waste of bandwidth. EDIT: For clarity, "supposedly" means that I've heard it from a couple of sources but I've never seen it in print, there's no video, etc. In other words, I'm passing on a rumor, not making a claim. ANOTHER EDIT: So now there is someone claiming that they have sources saying more or less the same thing ==> I have no idea who this tweeter is or how credible he is. As one of the follow-ups said, now Washington and Oregon have another reason to refuse to sign the Grant of Rights. Do you really think the president at Oregon and Washington are listening to Twitter and using that to base their decisions? |
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Post by Yoda on Apr 29, 2023 14:28:30 GMT -8
Do you really think the president at Oregon and Washington are listening to Twitter and using that to base their decisions? Are you serious? If that tweet is true, do you really think that the Presidents of Oregon and Washington didn't know about it long before the guy who posted it to Twitter? |
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Post by zbt69 on Apr 29, 2023 15:05:39 GMT -8
Do you really think the president at Oregon and Washington are listening to Twitter and using that to base their decisions? Are you serious? If that tweet is true, do you really think that the Presidents of Oregon and Washington didn't know about it long before the guy who posted it to Twitter?[/quote Yoda apparently you will believe anything from anyone as long as it supports your beliefs. No proof necessary. You maybe a symptom of our times. |
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Post by jp92grad on Apr 29, 2023 15:07:08 GMT -8
Supposedly, both the B1G and the Big 12 don't want responsibility for crashing the PAC -- it's not good public relations. That's why the Big 12 is waiting for the PAC schools to come to them, instead of being proactive, putting a clock on them, etc. And that's why the B1G hasn't invited any more PAC schools -- they don't want to crash the conference. But when PAC schools bolt to the Big 12, the B1G can go after more PAC schools and rationalize it as going after the pickings of an already crashed conference. Trash me if you want but it's a waste of bandwidth. EDIT: For clarity, "supposedly" means that I've heard it from a couple of sources but I've never seen it in print, there's no video, etc. In other words, I'm passing on a rumor, not making a claim. ANOTHER EDIT: So now there is someone claiming that they have sources saying more or less the same thing ==> I have no idea who this tweeter is or how credible he is. As one of the follow-ups said, now Washington and Oregon have another reason to refuse to sign the Grant of Rights. For once you are absolutely right. Just got sent a picture of Yourmark waiting the the PAC exodus to the B12: When did Pablo Escobar get involved in this conversation? |
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Post by Den60 on Apr 29, 2023 15:11:24 GMT -8
Supposedly, both the B1G and the Big 12 don't want responsibility for crashing the PAC -- it's not good public relations. That's why the Big 12 is waiting for the PAC schools to come to them, instead of being proactive, putting a clock on them, etc. And that's why the B1G hasn't invited any more PAC schools -- they don't want to crash the conference. But when PAC schools bolt to the Big 12, the B1G can go after more PAC schools and rationalize it as going after the pickings of an already crashed conference. Trash me if you want but it's a waste of bandwidth. EDIT: For clarity, "supposedly" means that I've heard it from a couple of sources but I've never seen it in print, there's no video, etc. In other words, I'm passing on a rumor, not making a claim. ANOTHER EDIT: So now there is someone claiming that they have sources saying more or less the same thing ==> I have no idea who this tweeter is or how credible he is. As one of the follow-ups said, now Washington and Oregon have another reason to refuse to sign the Grant of Rights. Do you really think the president at Oregon and Washington are listening to Twitter and using that to base their decisions? Of course he does. It's my understanding that, when the Fresno St. president isn't on his hands and knees begging Yormark to take them, he spends much of his time driving for Uber. |
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