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Post by Den60 on Apr 28, 2023 12:00:23 GMT -8
We really know nothing and are inserting our own emotions and opinions into that void. Human nature is to think the worst in those situations and most of the time we will be wrong. The bottom line is that we will be in the PAC12 or the BIG12 which under any scenario is better than where we are now. Relax and enjoy the ride! Seeing that the B12 is feeding their propagandists "rumors" that they are looking East rather than West I'm guessing, using available information, that our move to the PAC will be our final, and best, choice. The B12 looks like they raised th surrender flag when it comes to the PAC and western expansion. Poor Yoda, I hope he lives on the first floor. |
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Post by Den60 on Apr 28, 2023 12:09:40 GMT -8
Even as throwing $#!+ at the wall conjecture, that is utterly and completely ridiculous. That wasn't a prediction -- it was your worst case scenario. I was just pointing out that things are not certain and can change. And if it makes you feel any better, this isn't about you -- I'm taking the same cautious approach on the Bark Board. To wit: "Again, my opinion is that there is every reason to be optimistic. But there are waaaay too many moving parts for anybody -- or their inside sources -- to be able to do anything more than speculate. BY could be committed to adding FSU, ASU, UA and Colorado -- when the phone rings and UW, UO and UU, seeing the writing on the wall, ask for no strings attached invites as a three-some. Or worse, add SDSU and make it an all or nothing four-some. Then our almost certain deal is, in an instant, very uncertain." Actually, it would be non-existent. You folks are locked in on your best case scenario being the only possible outcome and tend to lash out whenever anyone raises the possibility of any other outcome than the one you want. That's your business, but don't get mad at me for it. Clarification: Our "Best Case Scenario" is going to an intact PAC. This also is, overwhelmingly, the most likely scenario. Our "Worst Case Scenario" is going to the B12, dragging you along with us. Not likely as it appears "Endeavor" is now pushing the "B12 thinks adding ACC schools will bring more revenue" talking points. The ACC, which is committed under its BOR until 2036 though two or three full members may have a better landing spot in the SEC and B1G. We are all laughing at you right now. All you need is a big red nose and wig, big floopy shoes and some makeup to complete the image you have created.  |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Apr 28, 2023 12:21:14 GMT -8
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Post by hoobs on Apr 28, 2023 12:32:35 GMT -8
Even as throwing $#!+ at the wall conjecture, that is utterly and completely ridiculous. That wasn't a prediction -- it was your worst case scenario. I was just pointing out that things are not certain and can change. And if it makes you feel any better, this isn't about you -- I'm taking the same cautious approach on the Bark Board. To wit: "Again, my opinion is that there is every reason to be optimistic. But there are waaaay too many moving parts for anybody -- or their inside sources -- to be able to do anything more than speculate. BY could be committed to adding FSU, ASU, UA and Colorado -- when the phone rings and UW, UO and UU, seeing the writing on the wall, ask for no strings attached invites as a three-some. Or worse, add SDSU and make it an all or nothing four-some. Then our almost certain deal is, in an instant, very uncertain." Actually, it would be non-existent. You folks are locked in on your best case scenario being the only possible outcome and tend to lash out whenever anyone raises the possibility of any other outcome than the one you want. That's your business, but don't get mad at me for it. Dude, there is a very negative percent chance of 2 PAC teams moving to the B1G in the next week, or next year. |
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Post by sdmotohead on Apr 28, 2023 12:45:05 GMT -8
Congratulations on what you all seem to think is an offer from the PAC. Meanwhile, as to the TV deal, there are several reports that it is 80% streaming -- the only linear being the ESPN Saturday night game. www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_wCIl_4zXoDamn, bad news for Fresnos B12 aspirations... /photo/1  |
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Post by Den60 on Apr 28, 2023 12:50:15 GMT -8
That wasn't a prediction -- it was your worst case scenario. I was just pointing out that things are not certain and can change. And if it makes you feel any better, this isn't about you -- I'm taking the same cautious approach on the Bark Board. To wit: "Again, my opinion is that there is every reason to be optimistic. But there are waaaay too many moving parts for anybody -- or their inside sources -- to be able to do anything more than speculate. BY could be committed to adding FSU, ASU, UA and Colorado -- when the phone rings and UW, UO and UU, seeing the writing on the wall, ask for no strings attached invites as a three-some. Or worse, add SDSU and make it an all or nothing four-some. Then our almost certain deal is, in an instant, very uncertain." Actually, it would be non-existent. You folks are locked in on your best case scenario being the only possible outcome and tend to lash out whenever anyone raises the possibility of any other outcome than the one you want. That's your business, but don't get mad at me for it. Dude, there is a very negative percent chance of 2 PAC teams moving to the B1G in the next week, or next year. Hell, he just posted that the PAC deal is "80% streaming" which comes from MHver3's twitter account. |
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Post by hoobs on Apr 28, 2023 12:51:33 GMT -8
For the right $$$, I have no problem whatsoever with the PAC doing a deal that is 80% streaming
So that's not even a practical criticism
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Post by aardvark on Apr 28, 2023 14:07:15 GMT -8
That wasn't a prediction -- it was your worst case scenario. I was just pointing out that things are not certain and can change. And if it makes you feel any better, this isn't about you -- I'm taking the same cautious approach on the Bark Board. To wit: "Again, my opinion is that there is every reason to be optimistic. But there are waaaay too many moving parts for anybody -- or their inside sources -- to be able to do anything more than speculate. BY could be committed to adding FSU, ASU, UA and Colorado -- when the phone rings and UW, UO and UU, seeing the writing on the wall, ask for no strings attached invites as a three-some. Or worse, add SDSU and make it an all or nothing four-some. Then our almost certain deal is, in an instant, very uncertain." Actually, it would be non-existent. You folks are locked in on your best case scenario being the only possible outcome and tend to lash out whenever anyone raises the possibility of any other outcome than the one you want. That's your business, but don't get mad at me for it. Clarification: Our "Best Case Scenario" is going to an intact PAC. This also is, overwhelmingly, the most likely scenario. Our "Worst Case Scenario" is going to the B12, dragging you along with us. Not likely as it appears "Endeavor" is now pushing the "B12 thinks adding ACC schools will bring more revenue" talking points. The ACC, which is committed under its BOR until 2036 though two or three full members may have a better landing spot in the SEC and B1G. We are all laughing at you right now. All you need is a big red nose and wig, big floopy shoes and some makeup to complete the image you have created. Why bring a picture of Dean Spanos into this? |
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Post by mactec on Apr 28, 2023 16:17:44 GMT -8
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Apr 28, 2023 16:24:02 GMT -8
Probably due to way better academics in the PAC and also better travel. Plus we already have soccer in the PAC |
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Post by Den60 on Apr 28, 2023 16:57:42 GMT -8
For the right $$$, I have no problem whatsoever with the PAC doing a deal that is 80% streaming So that's not even a practical criticism By 2030 I think streaming will equal, if not exceed, "linear" broadcasting for sports. ESPN has their own streaming network which has few viewers. So has CBS, and NBC. The problem is that these companies have huge investments in cable which they are financially committed to. Apple isn't restricted in that sense. If they do get the PAC deal they will be the "Big Kahuna" come 2030. |
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Post by Den60 on Apr 28, 2023 16:59:14 GMT -8
Clarification: Our "Best Case Scenario" is going to an intact PAC. This also is, overwhelmingly, the most likely scenario. Our "Worst Case Scenario" is going to the B12, dragging you along with us. Not likely as it appears "Endeavor" is now pushing the "B12 thinks adding ACC schools will bring more revenue" talking points. The ACC, which is committed under its BOR until 2036 though two or three full members may have a better landing spot in the SEC and B1G. We are all laughing at you right now. All you need is a big red nose and wig, big floopy shoes and some makeup to complete the image you have created. Why bring a picture of Dean Spanos into this? LOL. Well, the Spani are from Stockton and Fresno St claims that as their market so... |
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Post by junior on Apr 28, 2023 17:18:02 GMT -8
Probably due to way better academics in the PAC and also better travel. Plus we already have soccer in the PAC Two time zones of travel for the closest B12 teams. Three for WV. While B12 is probably more competitive, and the prospect of regularly seeing KU or K-State for MBB would be unbelievable, the reality of SDSU being anything but an outsider in that conference is hard to get past. They'll likely be outsiders in PAC-12 as well, but at least all of the conference programs are "out west". Academics are a consideration (but mostly for those already in the conference who still regard SDSU as a teaching college, not a R1 university). The fact that SDSU does not confer doctoral degrees is a serious obstacle. While there are joint doctoral programs, and SDSU does offer several of its own now, they're still classified as an R2, along with many of the other CSUs and one UC (Merced). Getting over that hump won't be easy, and is likely part and parcel of every discussion that Pac 12 has right now. |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Apr 28, 2023 17:52:25 GMT -8
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Post by Den60 on Apr 28, 2023 18:05:45 GMT -8
Probably due to way better academics in the PAC and also better travel. Plus we already have soccer in the PAC Two time zones of travel for the closest B12 teams. Three for WV. While B12 is probably more competitive, and the prospect of regularly seeing KU or K-State for MBB would be unbelievable, the reality of SDSU being anything but an outsider in that conference is hard to get past. They'll likely be outsiders in PAC-12 as well, but at least all of the conference programs are "out west". Academics are a consideration (but mostly for those already in the conference who still regard SDSU as a teaching college, not a R1 university). The fact that SDSU does not confer doctoral degrees is a serious obstacle. While there are joint doctoral programs, and SDSU does offer several of its own now, they're still classified as an R2, along with many of the other CSUs and one UC (Merced). Getting over that hump won't be easy, and is likely part and parcel of every discussion that Pac 12 has right now. SDSU now can offer Phds in public health independently. R1 status will be achieved in the next couple of years. The UC system doesn't want to add campuses so there will be a need for other schools to pick things up. San Diego county is the 5th largest in the country but has, currently just one R1 university. As CSUs go, academically, there is SDSU and then, a huge step down, the rest of the CSU system. SDSU has been at the forefront in expanding the research capabilities of CSU schools. Our research budget, last year, was $163M. In 2021 it was $107K and the next closest CSU school was SJSU at $60M. Fresnot state was at $9M. |
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Post by darksidereturns on Apr 28, 2023 18:23:07 GMT -8
The B12 would gladly take any of the majority of the PAC schools and/or SDSU. The PAC has no interest in any B12 team. That pretty much sums up who has the upper hand. The B12 promotes stability. Yet it is based on the fact that no conference wants to poach their teams. It would be like the MWC saying after SDSU leaves, we are a stable conference and should add OR state and WA state becuase the PAC will fail. |
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Post by aardvark on Apr 28, 2023 20:13:33 GMT -8
Why bring a picture of Dean Spanos into this? LOL. Well, the Spani are from Stockton and Fresno St claims that as their market so...  Well played. |
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Post by TheSanDiegan on Apr 28, 2023 21:43:28 GMT -8
I just think it's funny that a year and a half from now, we'll be in a P5 conference and this thread will be the closest Fresno will have been to getting into one.
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Post by TheSanDiegan on Apr 28, 2023 21:46:45 GMT -8
Gawd I love absolutists. Again, too many moving parts for such nonsense... Depending on the TV deal, a week from now, 3 PAC schools could bolt for the Big 12 and 2 more for the B1G, or all 10 PAC schools could sign their Grant of Rights. Exciting times... Even as throwing $#!+ at the wall conjecture, that is utterly and completely ridiculous. He's from Sheepf*ckistan, so I'm pretty sure it's udderly, Seth.  |
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Post by TheSanDiegan on Apr 28, 2023 21:50:57 GMT -8
Even as throwing $#!+ at the wall conjecture, that is utterly and completely ridiculous. That wasn't a prediction -- it was your worst case scenario. I was just pointing out that things are not certain and can change. And if it makes you feel any better, this isn't about you -- I'm taking the same cautious approach on the Bark Board. To wit: "Again, my opinion is that there is every reason to be optimistic. But there are waaaay too many moving parts for anybody -- or their inside sources -- to be able to do anything more than speculate. BY could be committed to adding FSU, ASU, UA and Colorado -- when the phone rings and UW, UO and UU, seeing the writing on the wall, ask for no strings attached invites as a three-some. Or worse, add SDSU and make it an all or nothing four-some. Then our almost certain deal is, in an instant, very uncertain." Actually, it would be non-existent. You folks are locked in on your best case scenario being the only possible outcome and tend to lash out whenever anyone raises the possibility of any other outcome than the one you want. That's your business, but don't get mad at me for it. I think I'm going to write a script that replaces your posts with this gif:  Anyway, if your aunt had a d¡ck she'd be yer mom. Or something like that. |
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