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Post by AZTEC4LIFE1992 on Apr 27, 2023 12:11:05 GMT -8
Either 1. The quotes are not correct and will be corrected shortly by the athletic at the request of SDSU. 2. JD is taking a massive risk with his ongoing employment. 3. He has the goods to make this bold proclamation. Considering it is State and national media, I can't rule out #1, 2, or 3 but #3 has to be the most likely scenario. Or it's a combination of 2,3 and 4. 4 being a warning shot to the PAC that we could jump to another league if this drags out or they try and ridiculously cut our share. |
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Post by obboy13 on Apr 27, 2023 13:12:14 GMT -8
Either 1. The quotes are not correct and will be corrected shortly by the athletic at the request of SDSU. 2. JD is taking a massive risk with his ongoing employment. 3. He has the goods to make this bold proclamation. Considering it is State and national media, I can't rule out #1, 2, or 3 but #3 has to be the most likely scenario. J.D. has shown he’s a lot of things, but risk taker isn’t one of them. #3 it is, and I suspect this pronouncement clears the way for formal notice of aloha to the MWC. |
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Post by obboy13 on Apr 27, 2023 13:20:16 GMT -8
The BIG10 deal wasn't finalized until 2 months after it was announced. I would expect the same. Announcement and expansion, then about 2 months later everyone signs on the dotted line once everything is finalized. That makes total sense but what happens if the PAC announces that you are in, you resign from the MWC -- incurring millions in exit fees -- the PAC schools can't agree to the grant of rights and the whole thing falls apart (meaning 3 schools go to the Big 12)? Maybe you know something that I don't know but I'd be awfully reluctant to give notice to the MWC before the Grant of Rights is signed. Enough already yoda, just stop. What if this, what if that, I mean there’s about as much chance of the big one happening and San Diego becoming an island as anything you’re hypothesizing. Just stupid conjecture on your part. On the positive side though, since you aren’t the person entrusted with making this decision, what you think has no relevance to the issue. Right? |
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Post by Boise Aztec on Apr 27, 2023 13:27:02 GMT -8
Either 1. The quotes are not correct and will be corrected shortly by the athletic at the request of SDSU. 2. JD is taking a massive risk with his ongoing employment. 3. He has the goods to make this bold proclamation. Considering it is State and national media, I can't rule out #1, 2, or 3 but #3 has to be the most likely scenario. Or it's a combination of 2,3 and 4. 4 being a warning shot to the PAC that we could jump to another league if this drags out or they try and ridiculously cut our share. The P12 deal, for SDSU, is already negotiated… State is happy with it. |
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Post by aztecfred on Apr 27, 2023 13:33:23 GMT -8
The BIG10 deal wasn't finalized until 2 months after it was announced. I would expect the same. Announcement and expansion, then about 2 months later everyone signs on the dotted line once everything is finalized. That makes total sense but what happens if the PAC announces that you are in, you resign from the MWC -- incurring millions in exit fees -- the PAC schools can't agree to the grant of rights and the whole thing falls apart (meaning 3 schools go to the Big 12)? Maybe you know something that I don't know but I'd be awfully reluctant to give notice to the MWC before the Grant of Rights is signed. Like clockwork! Always thinking ahead? Or, always trying to pop the balloon? |
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Post by sdmotohead on Apr 27, 2023 13:41:11 GMT -8
That makes total sense but what happens if the PAC announces that you are in, you resign from the MWC -- incurring millions in exit fees -- the PAC schools can't agree to the grant of rights and the whole thing falls apart (meaning 3 schools go to the Big 12)? Maybe you know something that I don't know but I'd be awfully reluctant to give notice to the MWC before the Grant of Rights is signed. Like clockwork! Always thinking ahead? Or, always trying to pop the balloon? This is how I imagine yoda  |
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Post by Cwag on Apr 27, 2023 13:46:36 GMT -8
The BIG10 deal wasn't finalized until 2 months after it was announced. I would expect the same. Announcement and expansion, then about 2 months later everyone signs on the dotted line once everything is finalized. That makes total sense but what happens if the PAC announces that you are in, you resign from the MWC -- incurring millions in exit fees -- the PAC schools can't agree to the grant of rights and the whole thing falls apart (meaning 3 schools go to the Big 12)? Maybe you know something that I don't know but I'd be awfully reluctant to give notice to the MWC before the Grant of Rights is signed. If that happened the MWC would beg us to come back and give us our money back because we are the strongest program, and they know it. They might take some of FSU's share and give it to us to sweeten the pot.  |
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Post by aztecfred on Apr 27, 2023 13:49:40 GMT -8
That makes total sense but what happens if the PAC announces that you are in, you resign from the MWC -- incurring millions in exit fees -- the PAC schools can't agree to the grant of rights and the whole thing falls apart (meaning 3 schools go to the Big 12)? Maybe you know something that I don't know but I'd be awfully reluctant to give notice to the MWC before the Grant of Rights is signed. If that happened the MWC would beg us to come back and give us our money back because we are the strongest program, and they know it. They might take some of FSU's share and give it to us to sweeten the pot. Now if they took some Boise's? No, not worth it. |
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Post by Red n Black on Apr 27, 2023 14:14:53 GMT -8
Or it's a combination of 2,3 and 4. 4 being a warning shot to the PAC that we could jump to another league if this drags out or they try and ridiculously cut our share. The P12 deal, for SDSU, is already negotiated… State is happy with it. And they are happy with the Big12 deal if the PAC is not able to execute or come up with adequate valuation. The market has moved against the PAC. |
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Post by Den60 on Apr 27, 2023 14:33:34 GMT -8
AAU status would just be frosting on the cake. RU1 is definitely the priority. Agreed. AAU status will be damn near impossible if this bill passes considering CSU's would not be allowed to offer phd's in anything a UC offers. The research amount requirements are based mostly on National Science Foundation funding over the prior ten years. There are a lot of other "requirements" that would be impossible for SDSU to gain in the next 50 years at least, including a 3/4 majority vote by current AAU members considering that 7 of the 63 are UC's and that they would favor other UC campuses (who do more research and don't have phd restrictions) before us. None of us will live to see the day SDSU is AAU. I think one poster made the point that this new bill is just a stepping stone to try to gain more Phd opportunities in the future. San Diego county is the 5th largest in the country and has only one R1 university (right now) in UCSD. One thing about UCSD is that the UCBOR wanted to limit them to more STEM research than Cal or UCLA. We will get to R1 soon and we will stay there once the Innovation District is up and running. Partnering with Qualcomm is going to help us immensely and I have read that UCSD may be interested in participating in that and the new trolley line makes such a thing more attractive. |
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Post by Den60 on Apr 27, 2023 14:35:27 GMT -8
This bill is a Trojan horse. As others have pointed out, it incrementally allows the CSU to offer pHd’s. This only helps drive to an ultimate conclusion. Additionally, The Bill is broad in terms of a phd that is not offered by the UC. What constitutes not offered does a slight change in name allow it to be different. For instance, chemical engineering with a focus on rare earth elements. It would seem you could drive a truck through not offered by the UC. Lastly, the adjudicator of the Law is the CSU itself. So any conflicts will be decided by the CSU and not UC’s. This law is a Trojan Horse. JMO. I could never understand naming a condom after the Trojans. |
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Post by Den60 on Apr 27, 2023 14:59:12 GMT -8
They were the one who started the PAC only getting $22M per school rumor that all the B12 propagandists jumped on. They never said where the number came from save it was close to what ESPN's share for each B12 school is. They are still saying $22 M per school -- just today. Also said that 4 schools (Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado and Washington) will not sign the grant of rights if it is all streaming, which they think it is. Some may get farmed out but says Apple and ESPN don't much care for each other... EDIT: The also said that Apple was not interested in the PAC 12 network assets. I have no idea whether or not any of that is true... It's a 3 hour podcast -- I listened to the first hour only... www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8KukOVdW7IThe rest of the PAC isn't signing a deal that is all streaming either. They know that and Apple knows that. It appears, however, you don't. Well, you don't know a lot of things. Apple has been wanting the PAC for years now and they are the most capitalized company in the world of all time. They could buy Amazon, CBS Sports, Fox Sports, Disney and NBC Sports en masse and have funding within a week. The thing is, they don't need to to start making a huge push into sports broadcasting. Like it or not, by 2030 streaming will be bigger than cable and Apple wants to be positioned to dominate by then. The PAC contract would be nickle and dimes as compared to what they will earn 5, 10 years from now. Did ESPN start out as a major producer of sports? Nope. I like to use the company Sears and Roebuck in arguments such as this. S&R were the original Amazon. You could buy a kit to build a house from them and have it delivered. This was during a time when people still used horses and wagons to haul cargo. They didn't adapt and now they only exist because they had a lot of property to sell. Shame, as a kid we looked forward to getting the Christmas catalog almost as much as Christmas itself. If ESPN doesn't want in then they can show tractor pulls and cornhole tournaments on Friday and Saturday nights after 7PM Pacific. Yeah, that might be a great TV night in Fresno, but it isn't going to help ESPN which has lost 25% of its cable subscribers in the last decade. Apple doesn't need ESPN, they can go with someone like The CW who is available everywhere. Those that say those games would be hard to find are just laughable. I can talk to my TV and tell it to search for "Aztecs" and it comes up. Don't have to, I have it already programed to record SDSU football and MBB whenever broadcast and it doesn't matter what channel it is on. ESPN and Apple may not be friends but they will do business together if it serves them to do so. ESPN is likely only still in the conversation because the PAC wants them. ESPN may not like Apple, but I am sure that, after FOX locked them out of the LA market with USCLA, they must hate FOX. Who said that Apple wasn't interested in the PAC12NW assets? Of course they are. Bob Thompson said, when this process began, that the PAC12NW was state of the art and that any streaming entity (he used Amazon as an example at the time) would see value in it. From my understanding, Apple uses others to produce their MSL and MLB broadcasts so why would the PAC be different? When you make an ignorant comment like this it makes you look either a) Stupid or b) Deliberately posting inaccurate information. |
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Post by Den60 on Apr 27, 2023 15:00:17 GMT -8
IF true, Kalashnikov should be fired. He had a $32m offer with mostly linear tv at the very beginning of the negotiations and turned it down. Regarding the Monty Show, I’ve listened to them a bit since we began following the P12 media deal and they’re not anti-PAC, but they do believe (as most do) that the PAC has been poorly run. They give more coverage to UU than BYU, but cover a lot of sports, both pro and college. As far as the accuracy of info like they popped yesterday - that UofA, ASU, CU and Washington are the four schools who won’t accept an all streaming deal - I have no idea, but hopefully after all this is over we will find out. Do you have a link to where he turned down and offer for $32M? And, please tell me a reason why whomever offered that wouldn't do the same now? |
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Post by Den60 on Apr 27, 2023 15:00:36 GMT -8
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Post by Den60 on Apr 27, 2023 15:01:58 GMT -8
I think their is something broader going on in the entertainment industry that is not being played out in the press. Disney has already laid off thousands of employees and is now laying off people at espn. To me Disney is overly leveraged in their sports contracts. The same is true for Fox. I think more layoffs in are coming for companies that are in the entertainment business. The market is saturated. This is why I don’t believe the pac has many options. They are going to get a deal with 🍎 which to me is a smarter decision in the long run because 🍎 is primarily in the manufacturing business and only are now entering in the entertainment business. They are on much better footing than fox and Disney. Just remember, their B12 contract is back loaded. What happens if they file for something like Chapter 11 reorganization in a couple of years? |
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Post by Den60 on Apr 27, 2023 15:04:26 GMT -8
JD is now basically on the record saying SDSU is going to the PAC 12 or Big 12. Hallelujah! SDSU is a few short months from leaving the Mountain West! I I’m the article it says the new Pac 12 media deal won’t be finalized until the end of the summer which most likely means you’ll have to wait until the fall. You do understand that the B1G contract is still not finalized, right? They do have an agreement, of course. |
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Post by Den60 on Apr 27, 2023 15:05:07 GMT -8
Couldn't SDSU go the BYU route - say we are going Independent before June 30 (to avoid exit fees), then sort things out with the Pac-12 or Big-12? Why would we have to give any reason as to why we were leaving the MWC? |
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Post by Den60 on Apr 27, 2023 15:09:24 GMT -8
Either 1. The quotes are not correct and will be corrected shortly by the athletic at the request of SDSU. 2. JD is taking a massive risk with his ongoing employment. 3. He has the goods to make this bold proclamation. Considering it is State and national media, I can't rule out #1, 2, or 3 but #3 has to be the most likely scenario. J.D. has shown he’s a lot of things, but risk taker isn’t one of them. #3 it is, and I suspect this pronouncement clears the way for formal notice of aloha to the MWC. He likely could have waltzed into the AD job at Mississippi St. in the SEC for a big raise and yet he stayed here. So, he either knows something, hates humidity with a passion, or is just, plain stoopid. Personally, I'd bet on "knowing something." If he is right, the combination of getting SDSU West and Snapdragon built and our ascension to the PAC would be bust-worthy. If we end up in the B12 then maybe just plaque worthy. |
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Post by Den60 on Apr 27, 2023 15:11:18 GMT -8
Or it's a combination of 2,3 and 4. 4 being a warning shot to the PAC that we could jump to another league if this drags out or they try and ridiculously cut our share. The P12 deal, for SDSU, is already negotiated… State is happy with it. If you are right, well...  |
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Post by Den60 on Apr 27, 2023 15:13:57 GMT -8
I’m the article it says the new Pac 12 media deal won’t be finalized until the end of the summer which most likely means you’ll have to wait until the fall. The BIG10 deal wasn't finalized until 2 months after it was announced. I would expect the same. Announcement and expansion, then about 2 months later everyone signs on the dotted line once everything is finalized. My understanding, the deal is still yet to be finalized. They have a working agreement but the lawyers are still going over things. And this is dealing with companies who have templates for such contracts. |
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