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Post by FULL_MONTY on Apr 26, 2023 16:43:31 GMT -8
This bill is a Trojan horse. As others have pointed out, it incrementally allows the CSU to offer pHd’s. This only helps drive to an ultimate conclusion. Additionally, The Bill is broad in terms of a phd that is not offered by the UC. What constitutes not offered does a slight change in name allow it to be different. For instance, chemical engineering with a focus on rare earth elements. It would seem you could drive a truck through not offered by the UC. Lastly, the adjudicator of the Law is the CSU itself. So any conflicts will be decided by the CSU and not UC’s.
This law is a Trojan Horse. JMO.
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Post by myownwords on Apr 26, 2023 16:52:46 GMT -8
None of us will live to see the day SDSU is AAU. Not saying you are wrong but I heard the same about the Pac 12. Or the two actually do bestow the same fate, and we've been fooled again. |
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Post by Yoda on Apr 26, 2023 21:06:31 GMT -8
They were the one who started the PAC only getting $22M per school rumor that all the B12 propagandists jumped on. They never said where the number came from save it was close to what ESPN's share for each B12 school is. They are still saying $22 M per school -- just today. Also said that 4 schools (Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado and Washington) will not sign the grant of rights if it is all streaming, which they think it is. Some may get farmed out but says Apple and ESPN don't much care for each other... EDIT: The also said that Apple was not interested in the PAC 12 network assets. I have no idea whether or not any of that is true... It's a 3 hour podcast -- I listened to the first hour only... www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8KukOVdW7I |
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Post by wakelaunch on Apr 26, 2023 22:25:46 GMT -8
They were the one who started the PAC only getting $22M per school rumor that all the B12 propagandists jumped on. They never said where the number came from save it was close to what ESPN's share for each B12 school is. They are still saying $22 M per school -- just today. Also said that 4 schools (Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado and Washington) will not sign the grant of rights if it is all streaming, which they think it is. Some may get farmed out but says Apple and ESPN don't much care for each other... I have no idea whether or not any of that is true... It's a 3 hour podcast -- I listened to the first hour only... www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8KukOVdW7Iseems crazy that this is the best they can get. USC crushed them |
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Post by gocoaztec on Apr 27, 2023 3:41:58 GMT -8
IF true, Kalashnikov should be fired. He had a $32m offer with mostly linear tv at the very beginning of the negotiations and turned it down.
Regarding the Monty Show, I’ve listened to them a bit since we began following the P12 media deal and they’re not anti-PAC, but they do believe (as most do) that the PAC has been poorly run. They give more coverage to UU than BYU, but cover a lot of sports, both pro and college. As far as the accuracy of info like they popped yesterday - that UofA, ASU, CU and Washington are the four schools who won’t accept an all streaming deal - I have no idea, but hopefully after all this is over we will find out.
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Post by chris92065 on Apr 27, 2023 4:55:56 GMT -8
I think their is something broader going on in the entertainment industry that is not being played out in the press.
Disney has already laid off thousands of employees and is now laying off people at espn. To me Disney is overly leveraged in their sports contracts.
The same is true for Fox.
I think more layoffs in are coming for companies that are in the entertainment business. The market is saturated.
This is why I don’t believe the pac has many options.
They are going to get a deal with 🍎 which to me is a smarter decision in the long run because 🍎 is primarily in the manufacturing business and only are now entering in the entertainment business. They are on much better footing than fox and Disney.
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Post by Yoda on Apr 27, 2023 6:56:39 GMT -8
I think their is something broader going on in the entertainment industry that is not being played out in the press. Disney has already laid off thousands of employees and is now laying off people at espn. To me Disney is overly leveraged in their sports contracts. The same is true for Fox. I think more layoffs in are coming for companies that are in the entertainment business. The market is saturated. This is why I don’t believe the pac has many options. They are going to get a deal with 🍎 which to me is a smarter decision in the long run because 🍎 is primarily in the manufacturing business and only are now entering in the entertainment business. They are on much better footing than fox and Disney. I'm not sure to what extent these layoffs are a result of a weakening economy generally and to what extent they are the result of changes within the industry as we gradually switch to streaming. If you have limited interests, streaming is great -- you can get what you want on the cheap. But if the family has divergent interests, the cost of all the unbundled services can add up too high and cuts will have to be made -- which, as I understand it, is one of the reasons for the drop off in revenues for ESPN and Fox -- the people who don't watch it often but who are getting it now, don't sign up for it when they "cut the cord" and make their streaming choices. Feel free to argue with me; this is something that I'm not particularly knowledgeable in. If I were the PAC, I'd probably not be too concerned about going with Apple. We're an Apple world, I don't think that you'd lose that many viewers because I think most fans would pick up the service. And what was lost would be gained by the ability to market yourselves more or less worldwide. Now you are drawing in basketball players from Europe and elsewhere. (One important thing that I forgot to mention was that yesterday's podcast said that the $22 million wasn't guaranteed -- that it could be taken down if Apple subscribers didn't hit growth targets -- so the PAC will have an economic interest in Apple making a success of this venture. You don't want $22 million to be taken down to $18 million. No mention of what happens if Apple exceeded those growth targets.) If the contract is sufficient to hold the PAC together, I think Apple would be a good long term move. If nothing else, I'd buy it because I expect that we will still play a lot of OOC games at PAC stadiums. |
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Post by wakelaunch on Apr 27, 2023 7:23:35 GMT -8
I think their is something broader going on in the entertainment industry that is not being played out in the press. Disney has already laid off thousands of employees and is now laying off people at espn. To me Disney is overly leveraged in their sports contracts. The same is true for Fox. I think more layoffs in are coming for companies that are in the entertainment business. The market is saturated. This is why I don’t believe the pac has many options. They are going to get a deal with 🍎 which to me is a smarter decision in the long run because 🍎 is primarily in the manufacturing business and only are now entering in the entertainment business. They are on much better footing than fox and Disney. I'm not sure to what extent these layoffs are a result of a weakening economy generally and to what extent they are the result of changes within the industry as we gradually switch to streaming. If you have limited interests, streaming is great -- you can get what you want on the cheap. But if the family has divergent interests, the cost of all the unbundled services can add up too high and cuts will have to be made -- which, as I understand it, is one of the reasons for the drop off in revenues for ESPN and Fox -- the people who don't watch it often but who are getting it now, don't sign up for it when they "cut the cord" and make their streaming choices. Feel free to argue with me; this is something that I'm not particularly knowledgeable in. If I were the PAC, I'd probably not be too concerned about going with Apple. We're an Apple world, I don't think that you'd lose that many viewers because I think most fans would pick up the service. And what was lost would be gained by the ability to market yourselves more or less worldwide. Now you are drawing in basketball players from Europe and elsewhere. (One important thing that I forgot to mention was that yesterday's podcast said that the $22 million wasn't guaranteed -- that it could be taken down if Apple subscribers didn't hit growth targets -- so the PAC will have an economic interest in Apple making a success of this venture. You don't want $22 million to be taken down to $18 million. No mention of what happens if Apple exceeded those growth targets.) If the contract is sufficient to hold the PAC together, I think Apple would be a good long term move. If nothing else, I'd buy it because I expect that we will still play a lot of OOC games at PAC stadiums. while I agree with most of what you said. the problem is you lose the casual fan. The fan that has cable/antenna and maybe has 1-2 streaming services. These are still major consumers of sports. I really. liked adding the WB network as a partner. It's a low channel number, easy to find. I believe is still received by antenna. They need to get as many eyeballs as possible and not insulate themselves. True aztec fans are going to go to all depths of the earth to watch the game. Some of the Mountain West streams with no ads are painful to watch. But I like when more casual fans are interested. It was an amazing experience to talk Aztec hoops this year with people who didn't give a $#!+ 6 months ago. The conference must find a way to broadcast both streaming and cable/antenna. the media property is valuable and worth about 25-30 million in my opinion. |
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Post by Old School on Apr 27, 2023 10:21:34 GMT -8
Oldie Out
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Post by namssa on Apr 27, 2023 10:47:15 GMT -8
Great article by the Atlantic. Worth a read. |
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Post by azteccc on Apr 27, 2023 10:47:48 GMT -8
Gets me all tingly in my nether regions |
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Post by laaztec on Apr 27, 2023 11:01:29 GMT -8
JD is now basically on the record saying SDSU is going to the PAC 12 or Big 12. Hallelujah! SDSU is a few short months from leaving the Mountain West! I
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Post by sdsu2000 on Apr 27, 2023 11:12:03 GMT -8
JD is now basically on the record saying SDSU is going to the PAC 12 or Big 12. Hallelujah! SDSU is a few short months from leaving the Mountain West! I I’m the article it says the new Pac 12 media deal won’t be finalized until the end of the summer which most likely means you’ll have to wait until the fall. |
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Post by namssa on Apr 27, 2023 11:15:08 GMT -8
JD is now basically on the record saying SDSU is going to the PAC 12 or Big 12. Hallelujah! SDSU is a few short months from leaving the Mountain West! I I’m the article it says the new Pac 12 media deal won’t be finalized until the end of the summer which most likely means you’ll have to wait until the fall. The BIG10 deal wasn't finalized until 2 months after it was announced. I would expect the same. Announcement and expansion, then about 2 months later everyone signs on the dotted line once everything is finalized. |
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Post by laaztec on Apr 27, 2023 11:18:00 GMT -8
JD is now basically on the record saying SDSU is going to the PAC 12 or Big 12. Hallelujah! SDSU is a few short months from leaving the Mountain West! I I’m the article it says the new Pac 12 media deal won’t be finalized until the end of the summer which most likely means you’ll have to wait until the fall. SDSU will be in a new conference starting in 2024. One more season playing in the ridiculous MWC. |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Apr 27, 2023 11:46:13 GMT -8
Either
1. The quotes are not correct and will be corrected shortly by the athletic at the request of SDSU.
2. JD is taking a massive risk with his ongoing employment.
3. He has the goods to make this bold proclamation.
Considering it is State and national media, I can't rule out #1, 2, or 3 but #3 has to be the most likely scenario.
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Post by Boise Aztec on Apr 27, 2023 11:49:34 GMT -8
Either 1. The quotes are not correct and will be corrected shortly by the athletic at the request of SDSU. 2. JD is taking a massive risk with his ongoing employment. 3. He has the goods to make this bold proclamation. Considering it is State and national media, I can't rule out #1, 2, or 3 but #3 has to be the most likely scenario. It is #3 |
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Post by aztech on Apr 27, 2023 11:52:58 GMT -8
JD is now basically on the record saying SDSU is going to the PAC 12 or Big 12. Hallelujah! SDSU is a few short months from leaving the Mountain West! I I’m the article it says the new Pac 12 media deal won’t be finalized until the end of the summer which most likely means you’ll have to wait until the fall. What about our skyrocketing exit fee that takes effect after June 30th? I'm pretty sure it'll be pro-rated, but that's a big kick in our ass as we exit the door. |
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Post by Yoda on Apr 27, 2023 11:54:24 GMT -8
I’m the article it says the new Pac 12 media deal won’t be finalized until the end of the summer which most likely means you’ll have to wait until the fall. The BIG10 deal wasn't finalized until 2 months after it was announced. I would expect the same. Announcement and expansion, then about 2 months later everyone signs on the dotted line once everything is finalized. That makes total sense but what happens if the PAC announces that you are in, you resign from the MWC -- incurring millions in exit fees -- the PAC schools can't agree to the grant of rights and the whole thing falls apart (meaning 3 schools go to the Big 12)? Maybe you know something that I don't know but I'd be awfully reluctant to give notice to the MWC before the Grant of Rights is signed. |
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Post by jcljorgenson on Apr 27, 2023 12:06:24 GMT -8
Couldn't SDSU go the BYU route - say we are going Independent before June 30 (to avoid exit fees), then sort things out with the Pac-12 or Big-12?
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