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Post by Yoda on Apr 23, 2023 7:33:32 GMT -8
I've never seen any of that reported anywhere, but it is obviously out there so no need to be coy. I had Delaney, Karl Benson, and Andrew Luck's dad. He has a consulting firm but I don't know the name so I don't know if it is Huron or not. I don't know what Benson is doing, but I do not believe he is working for Huron or State. As for Oliver Luck, he was hired by UAC (WAC-ASUN) and is trying to get that off the ground. It is very unlikely he is involved. What I heard was three months ago and I didn't get the sense that Benson had a big role to play. |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Apr 23, 2023 7:35:32 GMT -8
"I’d like to have 12 schools," DiStefano said. That puts ASU, UA, and CU in the expansion camp. He brought up AAU, so maybe he wants Rice and Tulane. What I also thought was interesting was this part of the article, "He also said Colorado has had far more alumni engagement at football games in California cities than it ever had in Big 12 cities." |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Apr 23, 2023 7:38:59 GMT -8
Just noticed that this was written by former UT Beat writer covering the Aztecs, Brent Schrotenboer. |
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Post by laaztec on Apr 23, 2023 7:47:01 GMT -8
Some good info on Fresno for Yoda in this article.
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Post by Yoda on Apr 23, 2023 8:08:34 GMT -8
What I've heard is that the Big 12 isn't interested in Utah or San Diego State. They already have a presence in the relatively small state of Utah and BYU doesn't want them. As for SDSU, you never showed any serious interest until it began to look like the PAC was tenuous, there were never any serious discussions (perhaps until recently), your AD pissed them off with his attempt to parlay the Big 12 option into a full TV payout from the PAC, and there is no offer (conditional or otherwise). Obviously that is completely at odds with what you are hearing. I'm not surprised that Colorado hasn't been offered as I think that they are a back up option. Our TV ratings are almost double theirs (of course that is pre-Prime) and there is a concern that Prime could leave quickly -- when the big money comes calling. My understanding is that the Big 12's interest is in 1) ASU 2) Fresno State & 3) Arizona. The fourth is tbd -- it could be Colorado. It could be UConn and, if the PAC doesn't expand, I think it could be you. It makes too much sense to let a grudge keep them out of SoCal and, obviously, your basketball success is appealing to a conference that wants to dominate in that sport. For all the good news, the Colorado chancellor seemed to say that expansion -- or at least a full share of the TV revenue -- depended on the TV contract. "A big issue, he said, would be whether those schools would bring enough revenue and other benefits to the league to justify their getting an equal cut of the revenue pie.... He said expansion depends on the new media deal, which is “getting close,” he said." To me, it sounds increasingly like the conference will hold together and add you... That would be awesome for you. |
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Post by SD Johnny on Apr 23, 2023 8:20:32 GMT -8
The mental gymnastics that you are engaging in to keep Fresno relevant in your mind is making me dizzy. Don’t go changing your address quite yet… You guys are likely in the mountain west conference for 15-25 more years. I just remembered... Dennis Dodd is very good friends with your Athletic Director. Dennis Dodd has been crapping on the Pac-12 for six months minimum and he is a hero of most Big 12 fans as a result. Like Dodd said, your president is making too much out of communication which started on the Fresno side. Don’t go cashing those Big 12 checks yet as no reputable source has mentioned them as anything other than a back up to a back up option. But I’m sure the brainiacs on the Fresno board have better connections. 🤣 |
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Post by Boise Aztec on Apr 23, 2023 8:24:14 GMT -8
What I've heard is that the Big 12 isn't interested in Utah or San Diego State. They already have a presence in the relatively small state of Utah and BYU doesn't want them. As for SDSU, you never showed any serious interest until it began to look like the PAC was tenuous, there were never any serious discussions (perhaps until recently), your AD pissed them off with his attempt to parlay the Big 12 option into a full TV payout from the PAC, and there is no offer (conditional or otherwise). Obviously that is completely at odds with what you are hearing. I'm not surprised that Colorado hasn't been offered as I think that they are a back up option. Our TV ratings are almost double theirs (of course that is pre-Prime) and there is a concern that Prime could leave quickly -- when the big money comes calling. My understanding is that the Big 12's interest is in 1) ASU 2) Fresno State & 3) Arizona. The fourth is tbd -- it could be Colorado. It could be UConn and, if the PAC doesn't expand, I think it could be you. It makes too much sense to let a grudge keep them out of SoCal and, obviously, your basketball success is appealing to a conference that wants to dominate in that sport. For all the good news, the Colorado chancellor seemed to say that expansion -- or at least a full share of the TV revenue -- depended on the TV contract. "A big issue, he said, would be whether those schools would bring enough revenue and other benefits to the league to justify their getting an equal cut of the revenue pie.... He said expansion depends on the new media deal, which is “getting close,” he said." To me, it sounds increasingly like the conference will hold together and add you... That would be awesome for you. You couldn’t be any more wrong about State and the B12… the B12, in some fashion reaches out to SDSU every week… you are assigning your feelings to B12 leadership… State won’t be going to the B12, but we could go anytime we want… |
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Post by Boise Aztec on Apr 23, 2023 8:28:48 GMT -8
Some good info on Fresno for Yoda in this article. Ouch!!! Fresno State: Somehow, calls from the Fresno State administration to the Big 12 have been misconstrued as interest from the Big 12. At this point, there is no Big 12 interest in the Bulldogs, seemingly not even as a fallback option if other expansion falls through. Even with Yormark desiring a presence in the Pacific Time Zone, Fresno State doesn't move the needle with San Diego State and Pac-12 schools possibly still in play. Complicating matters: Try to imagine Stanford in the same Pac-12 with Fresno State. |
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Post by hoobs on Apr 23, 2023 8:39:19 GMT -8
"I’d like to have 12 schools," DiStefano said. That puts ASU, UA, and CU in the expansion camp. He brought up AAU, so maybe he wants Rice and Tulane. What I also thought was interesting was this part of the article, "He also said Colorado has had far more alumni engagement at football games in California cities than it ever had in Big 12 cities." Not surprising re. that last bit. We always called Univ of California at Boulder with all the rich CA kids going there if they couldn't get into Cal or UCLA |
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Post by SD Johnny on Apr 23, 2023 8:45:00 GMT -8
"What I’ve said along with the other presidents and chancellors is we’re not going to even think about going anywhere, none of us, until we see what kind of offer we get, and that’s still being worked out. And I’m confident it’s going to be fine." - Colorado Chancellor. Pretty sure they aren’t voting to leave the Pac 12 anytime soon. 🤣
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Post by standiego on Apr 23, 2023 9:17:40 GMT -8
U of Colorado has a very interesting couple of early OOC games this fall_
9/2 AT TCU - would guess that there will be a very good amount of Viewers for that game - yes TCU will draw a lot of them but Prime Time - the players from the Portal will also have a lot of people paying attention
9/9 Colorado plays Nebraska of the BIG
Some very important games for Colorado and the PAC and maybe TV Networks
Do hope the Aztecs get a good amount of Viewers for the 2 OOC games with the PAC also
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Post by obboy13 on Apr 23, 2023 9:30:02 GMT -8
The University of Colorado president is aware that SDSU is not an AAU school.... yet. Plus he knows this about us: "On the other hand, SDSU “did really well in basketball,” DiStefano said. “They have a new stadium in football, a good Southern California market." Mahalo Friends of SDSU, J.D. Wicker (never thought I'd be saying that), President de la Torre, and oh yeah, Lamont Butler et.al.
Get the TV deal done. We'll be in and yoda will be, well yoda, still on the outside looking in.
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Post by sancarlosaztec on Apr 23, 2023 9:30:31 GMT -8
Some good info on Fresno for Yoda in this article. Ouch!!! Fresno State: Somehow, calls from the Fresno State administration to the Big 12 have been misconstrued as interest from the Big 12. At this point, there is no Big 12 interest in the Bulldogs, seemingly not even as a fallback option if other expansion falls through. Even with Yormark desiring a presence in the Pacific Time Zone, Fresno State doesn't move the needle with San Diego State and Pac-12 schools possibly still in play. Complicating matters: Try to imagine Stanford in the same Pac-12 with Fresno State. Well, it is fortunate that Dodd doesn’t really know anything either because Fresno would prove itself a fantastic add to the Big12. I would love to see Fresno in the big12 and SDSU in the PAC. I think long term that is good outcome for both conferences and for both CSU schools. |
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Post by sancarlosaztec on Apr 23, 2023 9:38:00 GMT -8
U of Colorado has a very interesting couple of early OOC games this fall_ 9/2 AT TCU - would guess that there will be a very good amount of Viewers for that game - yes TCU will draw a lot of them but Prime Time - the players from the Portal will also have a lot of people paying attention 9/9 Colorado plays Nebraska of the BIG Some very important games for Colorado and the PAC and maybe TV Networks Do hope the Aztecs get a good amount of Viewers for the 2 OOC games with the PAC also Be careful what you ask for. It is looking like we take a big step backwards in football this year. I hope they surprise me. Going in to the season my expectations are low. I really don’t want a repeat of last years PAC OOC games, but that’s what it is looking like right now. |
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Post by Boise Aztec on Apr 23, 2023 9:39:49 GMT -8
U of Colorado has a very interesting couple of early OOC games this fall_ 9/2 AT TCU - would guess that there will be a very good amount of Viewers for that game - yes TCU will draw a lot of them but Prime Time - the players from the Portal will also have a lot of people paying attention 9/9 Colorado plays Nebraska of the BIG Some very important games for Colorado and the PAC and maybe TV Networks Do hope the Aztecs get a good amount of Viewers for the 2 OOC games with the PAC also Be careful what you ask for. It is looking like we take a big step backwards in football this year. I hope they surprise me. Going in to the season my expectations are low. I really don’t want a repeat of last years PAC OOC games, but that’s what it is looking like right now. Lower than 7-6? |
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Post by Yoda on Apr 23, 2023 10:02:30 GMT -8
You couldn’t be any more wrong about State and the B12… the B12, in some fashion reaches out to SDSU every week… you are assigning your feelings to B12 leadership… State won’t be going to the B12, but we could go anytime we want… So I did a little checking and, whatever dog house you were in, you are now out of. (Translation: I was right but, remember those "too many moving parts"? Well, some moved. It seems that you could likely go with us at any time. You say the word and we are both in. We're waiting on you. Stick with the PAC and, assuming that they expand, we'll both be in good shape.) What I wrote on the Barkboard... Lu, you're wrong. Recheck your sources as respects San Diego State. If there is a way that the Big 12 could add both Fresno and San Diego State -- locking out the PAC from direct access to all of California except for a small market that is a subset of a large but uninterested Bay Area market, the conference would be damn fools not to take us both. And if there is one thing that BY is not, it's a damn fool. It makes no sense to let a grudge get in the way of adding a presence in the SoCal market. The longer the PAC TV deal drags out, the more likely that the Aztecs will conclude that a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush and take a Big 12 bid rather than risk being stuck in the MWC because a PAC bid never comes through -- or doesn't come through in time. The only downside is that we'll have to listen to Aztec fans brag about how they were able to drag their little brother along with them when it was the other way around. ========== So it's still all about the TV contract -- is it big enough to support expansion so you end up in the PAC or is it not big enough, or not timely enough, so that you cut bait and take the sure thing, going to the Big 12 with us? |
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Post by sancarlosaztec on Apr 23, 2023 10:03:01 GMT -8
It’s hard to know but I think somewhere in the 5-7 to 7-5 range would not surprise me. I was expressing my feeling that the teams ability to beat pac12 level teams will be lower this year than even last year.
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Post by dirtball on Apr 23, 2023 10:34:52 GMT -8
Ouch!!! Fresno State: Somehow, calls from the Fresno State administration to the Big 12 have been misconstrued as interest from the Big 12. At this point, there is no Big 12 interest in the Bulldogs, seemingly not even as a fallback option if other expansion falls through. Even with Yormark desiring a presence in the Pacific Time Zone, Fresno State doesn't move the needle with San Diego State and Pac-12 schools possibly still in play. Complicating matters: Try to imagine Stanford in the same Pac-12 with Fresno State. Well, it is fortunate that Dodd doesn’t really know anything either because Fresno would prove itself a fantastic add to the Big12. I would love to see Fresno in the big12 and SDSU in the PAC. I think long term that is good outcome for both conferences and for both CSU schools. I agree. It would be a fun rivalry game every year. It would make OOC scheduling better. |
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Post by aztecron on Apr 23, 2023 10:44:35 GMT -8
Man, I come to my AztecMesa board daily for AZTEC talk and can't keep away from some fool espousing his FSU dreams and "objectivity" on an Aztec board, an AZTEC board. Even when blocked I can't get away from FSU crap on an AZTEC board because his replies aren't blocked when others qoute him. Really frustrating to be honest. If I wanted to read something about FSU I'd go to their board and read it, but, I don't, I come here for AZTEC talk. If I wanted unbiased reporting and an "objective" opinion on FSU chances against ours I'd go to news sources, not an overly scared old man who's university is looking to get left behind and thinks he needs to be here spouting his tiresome, old, redundant, regurgitated crap.
You're so boring with your "objectivity" like we need to be balanced by your objectivity on our Aztec board. Tiresome and bored, Yoda. Man, just go home already.
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Post by Yoda on Apr 23, 2023 11:28:41 GMT -8
Man, I come to my AztecMesa board daily for AZTEC talk and can't keep away from some fool espousing his FSU dreams and "objectivity" on an Aztec board, an AZTEC board. Even when blocked I can't get away from FSU crap on an AZTEC board because his replies aren't blocked when others qoute him. Really frustrating to be honest. If I wanted to read something about FSU I'd go to their board and read it, but, I don't, I come here for AZTEC talk. If I wanted unbiased reporting and an "objective" opinion on FSU chances against ours I'd go to news sources, not an overly scared old man who's university is looking to get left behind and thinks he needs to be here spouting his tiresome, old, redundant, regurgitated crap. You're so boring with your "objectivity" like we need to be balanced by your objectivity on our Aztec board. Tiresome and bored, Yoda. Man, just go home already. I don't know that I'm any more objective than anyone else. But by and large, I am responding to questions and comments -- not initiating pro-Fresno posts. How many of my "pro-Fresno" posts in the past week or so have not included a quote from somebody else that I was responding to? |
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