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Post by The Aztec Panther on Apr 21, 2023 21:37:06 GMT -8
To be honest, I don't mind him posting his pro Fresno BS here as I eagerly await the chance to rub his nose in it when everything is settled and we are in the PAC and Fresno is stuck in the MWC debating whether to add UTEP, South Dakota or North Dakota to the conference. I don't so much mind his Fresno/B12 posts, but they're kind of off topic (somewhat) on this thread. Tangential at best. This is about SDSU and the PAC 12. |
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Post by fowl on Apr 21, 2023 21:43:15 GMT -8
maybe, or maybe they are waiting for the market to dictate their value. perhaps they are betting that these Pac12 members will receive a substantial decrease in value, allowing them to possible get these teams in eventually on the cheap. this is the smart play should Westward expansion come into play for the Big10 How do they get them on the cheap? Get them to accept a smaller share long term? Washington is more valuable than at least 5 current B1G members… Rutgers, Maryland, etc. I can say unequivocally that the B1G does NOT want to add any more schools now. But if they did, the feelings among those who make the decision are that Colorado and Stanford would be the ones. Even with Phil, Oregon stands no chance. They are about to lose AAU. |
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Post by aztech on Apr 22, 2023 1:31:50 GMT -8
How do they get them on the cheap? Get them to accept a smaller share long term? Washington is more valuable than at least 5 current B1G members… Rutgers, Maryland, etc. I can say unequivocally that the B1G does NOT want to add any more schools now. But if they did, the feelings among those who make the decision are that Colorado and Stanford would be the ones. Even with Phil, Oregon stands no chance. They are about to lose AAU. Seriously? That's a big blow. Utah is now an AAU so they could be a candidate as well. However, the remaining Western schools lack one major issue that the Big needs; population density. Stanford and Cal has the most, but even that may not be enough. |
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Post by Yoda on Apr 22, 2023 3:21:36 GMT -8
To be honest, I don't mind him posting his pro Fresno BS here as I eagerly await the chance to rub his nose in it when everything is settled and we are in the PAC and Fresno is stuck in the MWC debating whether to add UTEP, South Dakota or North Dakota to the conference. I don't so much mind his Fresno/B12 posts, but they're kind of off topic (somewhat) on this thread. Tangential at best. This is about SDSU and the PAC 12.The thread title may be about "SDSU and the PAC 12" but the thread itself is far broader than that. It's also about "SDSU and the Big 12". It's about television markets and television deals. It's about Oregon and Washington bolting to the Big 10 -- and Stanford and Cal doing so as well. It's about the odds of Colorado and Arizona going to the Big 12. And Arizona State and Utah. And Washington and Oregon. And Washington State and Oregon State. It's about SMU, and Tulane and Rice. It's about academics and cultural fits. It's about comparative attendance figures and disputed market sizes. And comparative television ratings. It's about protecting rivalries or splitting them between conferences -- BYU & Utah, Arizona and Arizona State, the Washington & Oregon schools. And so much more. All of which are tangential to the very narrow thread title. You can't speculate about SDSU to the P12 in a void because it isn't happening in a void. If you tried, you'd have a 35 page thread that would have fallen off the front page long ago. Your house. Your rules. Your call. But I am not a troll. |
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Post by longtimebooster on Apr 22, 2023 3:44:14 GMT -8
I don't so much mind his Fresno/B12 posts, but they're kind of off topic (somewhat) on this thread. Tangential at best. This is about SDSU and the PAC 12.The thread title may be about "SDSU and the PAC 12" but the thread itself is far broader than that. It's also about "SDSU and the Big 12". It's about television markets and television deals. It's about Oregon and Washington bolting to the Big 10 -- and Stanford and Cal doing so as well. It's about the odds of Colorado and Arizona going to the Big 12. And Arizona State and Utah. And Washington and Oregon. And Washington State and Oregon State. It's about SMU, and Tulane and Rice. It's about academics and cultural fits. It's about comparative attendance figures and disputed market sizes. And comparative television ratings. It's about protecting rivalries or splitting them between conferences -- BYU & Utah, Arizona and Arizona State, the Washington & Oregon schools. And so much more. All of which are tangential to the very narrow thread title. You can't speculate about SDSU to the P12 in a void because it isn't happening in a void. If you tried, you'd have a 35 page thread that would have fallen off the front page long ago. Your house. Your rules. Your call. But I am not a troll. I actually concur, though the last sentence is certainly Nixonesque. |
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Post by chris92065 on Apr 22, 2023 6:11:20 GMT -8
The thread title may be about "SDSU and the PAC 12" but the thread itself is far broader than that. It's also about "SDSU and the Big 12". It's about television markets and television deals. It's about Oregon and Washington bolting to the Big 10 -- and Stanford and Cal doing so as well. It's about the odds of Colorado and Arizona going to the Big 12. And Arizona State and Utah. And Washington and Oregon. And Washington State and Oregon State. It's about SMU, and Tulane and Rice. It's about academics and cultural fits. It's about comparative attendance figures and disputed market sizes. And comparative television ratings. It's about protecting rivalries or splitting them between conferences -- BYU & Utah, Arizona and Arizona State, the Washington & Oregon schools. And so much more. All of which are tangential to the very narrow thread title. You can't speculate about SDSU to the P12 in a void because it isn't happening in a void. If you tried, you'd have a 35 page thread that would have fallen off the front page long ago. Your house. Your rules. Your call. But I am not a troll. I actually concur, though the last sentence is certainly Nixonesque. It would be epic if Yoda departed on a helicopter and had his arms spread out like Nixon and said, “ I am not a troll.” |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Apr 22, 2023 7:20:32 GMT -8
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Post by laaztec on Apr 22, 2023 7:22:42 GMT -8
I think the Pac 12 invite will be official before June 30th. |
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Post by gocoaztec on Apr 22, 2023 8:44:24 GMT -8
Here’s a copy of part of the bylaws: Effective April 30, 2021 and thereafter any notice of resignation given by any Member shall be subject to the Notice Date referenced in subparagraph (a) above and the following: the resigning Member shall pay to the Conference as an Exit Fee an amount equal to three times the average per Member Conference distribution payment for the preceding year. (the “Timely Notice Exit Fee”) If the resigning member gives notice after the established “Notice Date”, the resigning Member shall pay to the Conference as an Exit Fee an amount equal to double the Timely Notice Exit Fee. After receiving Notice of Resignation from a Member, all payments due that Member from the Conference shall be withheld and applied to that Member’s Exit Fee. The balance of the Member’s Exit Fee as provided above, shall be paid by the Member to the Conference on or before the Effective Date. We will pay, as a minimum, 3 times the previous year’s average conference distribution. If we announce after Jun 30 it doubles to 6 times the past year’s distribution. I wonder what the average distribution is? I assume it includes media payments including BSU’s special deal, NCAA credits, and bowl game distributions? I’m guessing $6-7m per school? If my guess is correct, we’ll owe about $20m if we announce on time and $40m if we announce after Jun 30. |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Apr 22, 2023 9:50:06 GMT -8
Here’s a copy of part of the bylaws: Effective April 30, 2021 and thereafter any notice of resignation given by any Member shall be subject to the Notice Date referenced in subparagraph (a) above and the following: the resigning Member shall pay to the Conference as an Exit Fee an amount equal to three times the average per Member Conference distribution payment for the preceding year. (the “Timely Notice Exit Fee”) If the resigning member gives notice after the established “Notice Date”, the resigning Member shall pay to the Conference as an Exit Fee an amount equal to double the Timely Notice Exit Fee. After receiving Notice of Resignation from a Member, all payments due that Member from the Conference shall be withheld and applied to that Member’s Exit Fee. The balance of the Member’s Exit Fee as provided above, shall be paid by the Member to the Conference on or before the Effective Date. We will pay, as a minimum, 3 times the previous year’s average conference distribution. If we announce after Jun 30 it doubles to 6 times the past year’s distribution. I wonder what the average distribution is? I assume it includes media payments including BSU’s special deal, NCAA credits, and bowl game distributions? I’m guessing $6-7m per school? If my guess is correct, we’ll owe about $20m if we announce on time and $40m if we announce after Jun 30. Thank you, that makes sense. Per the IRS TAX LINK MWCThe conference distributed 52,447,326 to the membership. Boise still receives $1.8M off the top, to the distributions would be $52,447,326 less $1,800,000 which yields $50,647,326. For simplicity, let's divide it by 11.5 to account for Hawaii. The distribution for 2021 was 4.4M. SO the buy out before June 30th, is $13.2M and $26.4M thereafter for the 2024 season. I would challenge the modification of the penalty in the courts if the vote was not 100%. ****UODATE******* In looking at the filing, this is the 21 filing for 2020, which was COVID impacated. The TV Revenue is listed as $31,828,349. That should be $45M per reports. www.sportspromedia.com/news/mountain-west-conference-tv-rights-cbs-fox-sports/?zephr_sso_ott=KSLb1LRedoing the Calcs, we need to add back $13,171,651. It would be as follows modified: The conference would have distributed $65,618,977 to the membership. Boise still receives $1.8M off the top, to the distributions would be $65,618,977 less $1,800,000 which yields $63,818,977. For simplicity, let's divide it by 11.5 to account for Hawaii. The distribution for 2021 was 5.5M. So the buy out before June 30th, is $16.7M and $33.3M thereafter for the 2024 season. |
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Post by AzTex on Apr 22, 2023 9:57:05 GMT -8
Here’s a copy of part of the bylaws: Effective April 30, 2021 and thereafter any notice of resignation given by any Member shall be subject to the Notice Date referenced in subparagraph (a) above and the following: the resigning Member shall pay to the Conference as an Exit Fee an amount equal to three times the average per Member Conference distribution payment for the preceding year. (the “Timely Notice Exit Fee”) If the resigning member gives notice after the established “Notice Date”, the resigning Member shall pay to the Conference as an Exit Fee an amount equal to double the Timely Notice Exit Fee. After receiving Notice of Resignation from a Member, all payments due that Member from the Conference shall be withheld and applied to that Member’s Exit Fee. The balance of the Member’s Exit Fee as provided above, shall be paid by the Member to the Conference on or before the Effective Date. We will pay, as a minimum, 3 times the previous year’s average conference distribution. If we announce after Jun 30 it doubles to 6 times the past year’s distribution. I wonder what the average distribution is? I assume it includes media payments including BSU’s special deal, NCAA credits, and bowl game distributions? I’m guessing $6-7m per school? If my guess is correct, we’ll owe about $20m if we announce on time and $40m if we announce after Jun 30. Remember that the doubling only occurs if the notice if for less than a year. We could elect to stay in the MW for an additional year instead of paying the penalty if the invite didn't come in time. Based on the calculations I've seen we'd be better off going sooner and paying the penalty rather than waiting the additional year.
Also remember, everything can be negotiated. Maybe we trade some of the penalty for guaranteed scheduling of OOC games with MW members after we move up.
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Post by standiego on Apr 22, 2023 10:01:00 GMT -8
realize it is a problem
Now the difficult situation what should the PAC and SDSU do if there is not a TV Deal before the penalty goes into affect
Should the PAC take whatever deal it can get and possibly lose current schools
What happens if the PAC does offer the Invite to SDSU - and then the PAC falls apart
Is there an actual confirmed offer with the Big 12
Unfortunately there are still a lot of moving pieces for the PAC , SDSU and Big 12
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Post by TheSanDiegan on Apr 22, 2023 10:10:30 GMT -8
realize it is a problem Now the difficult situation what should the PAC and SDSU do if there is not a TV Deal before the penalty goes into affect Should the PAC take whatever deal it can get and possibly lose current schools What happens if the PAC does offer the Invite to SDSU - and then the PAC falls apart Is there an actual confirmed offer with the Big 12 Will Diane learn of Tony's affair Will Donny wake up form his coma before his twin brother assumes his identity Tune in next week for these answers and more, on...  |
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Post by obboy13 on Apr 22, 2023 11:03:18 GMT -8
www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2023/04/22/timeline-completing-redeveloped-aloha-stadium-pushed-back-year/Set your own over under, but 2032 seems good. This statement should send shivers down the UH faithful spines. Appearing on a panel on Insights on PBS Hawaii Thursday Night, state Budget and Finance Director Luis Salaveria said the previously predicted 2027 reopening was not realistic. “If we were to execute with an eye on the plan and moving forward, put all hands on deck on this particular effort, the intention would be for a stadium to be ready for the 2028 football season,” Salaveria said. Take the under if you think Hawaii firing in all cylinders hits 2028. On a side not: PBS on the island is a hoot. My old man actually would go on from time to time and debate politician on PBS. Worth noting, in addition to tv sets in the islands, UH also brings with it a significant and growing share of Las Vegas tv sets.  |
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Post by gocoaztec on Apr 22, 2023 12:24:46 GMT -8
Here’s a copy of part of the bylaws: Effective April 30, 2021 and thereafter any notice of resignation given by any Member shall be subject to the Notice Date referenced in subparagraph (a) above and the following: the resigning Member shall pay to the Conference as an Exit Fee an amount equal to three times the average per Member Conference distribution payment for the preceding year. (the “Timely Notice Exit Fee”) If the resigning member gives notice after the established “Notice Date”, the resigning Member shall pay to the Conference as an Exit Fee an amount equal to double the Timely Notice Exit Fee. After receiving Notice of Resignation from a Member, all payments due that Member from the Conference shall be withheld and applied to that Member’s Exit Fee. The balance of the Member’s Exit Fee as provided above, shall be paid by the Member to the Conference on or before the Effective Date. We will pay, as a minimum, 3 times the previous year’s average conference distribution. If we announce after Jun 30 it doubles to 6 times the past year’s distribution. I wonder what the average distribution is? I assume it includes media payments including BSU’s special deal, NCAA credits, and bowl game distributions? I’m guessing $6-7m per school? If my guess is correct, we’ll owe about $20m if we announce on time and $40m if we announce after Jun 30. Thank you, that makes sense. Per the IRS TAX LINK MWCThe conference distributed 52,447,326 to the membership. Boise still receives $1.8M off the top, to the distributions would be $52,447,326 less $1,800,000 which yields $50,647,326. For simplicity, let's divide it by 11.5 to account for Hawaii. The distribution for 2021 was 4.4M. SO the buy out before June 30th, is $13.2M and $26.4M thereafter for the 2024 season. I would challenge the modification of the penalty in the courts if the vote was not 100%. ****UODATE******* In looking at the filing, this is the 21 filing for 2020, which was COVID impacated. The TV Revenue is listed as $31,828,349. That should be $45M per reports. www.sportspromedia.com/news/mountain-west-conference-tv-rights-cbs-fox-sports/?zephr_sso_ott=KSLb1LRedoing the Calcs, we need to add back $13,171,651. It would be as follows modified: The conference would have distributed $65,618,977 to the membership. Boise still receives $1.8M off the top, to the distributions would be $65,618,977 less $1,800,000 which yields $63,818,977. For simplicity, let's divide it by 11.5 to account for Hawaii. The distribution for 2021 was 5.5M. So the buy out before June 30th, is $16.7M and $33.3M thereafter for the 2024 season. Although it would only make a relatively small change, I believe that the Boise deal would count towards the computation of the average conference distribution. |
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Post by MrPerfect on Apr 22, 2023 12:36:41 GMT -8
This pretty much should shut Yoda up for good.
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Apr 22, 2023 12:37:10 GMT -8
Thank you, that makes sense. Per the IRS TAX LINK MWCThe conference distributed 52,447,326 to the membership. Boise still receives $1.8M off the top, to the distributions would be $52,447,326 less $1,800,000 which yields $50,647,326. For simplicity, let's divide it by 11.5 to account for Hawaii. The distribution for 2021 was 4.4M. SO the buy out before June 30th, is $13.2M and $26.4M thereafter for the 2024 season. I would challenge the modification of the penalty in the courts if the vote was not 100%. ****UODATE******* In looking at the filing, this is the 21 filing for 2020, which was COVID impacated. The TV Revenue is listed as $31,828,349. That should be $45M per reports. www.sportspromedia.com/news/mountain-west-conference-tv-rights-cbs-fox-sports/?zephr_sso_ott=KSLb1LRedoing the Calcs, we need to add back $13,171,651. It would be as follows modified: The conference would have distributed $65,618,977 to the membership. Boise still receives $1.8M off the top, to the distributions would be $65,618,977 less $1,800,000 which yields $63,818,977. For simplicity, let's divide it by 11.5 to account for Hawaii. The distribution for 2021 was 5.5M. So the buy out before June 30th, is $16.7M and $33.3M thereafter for the 2024 season. Although it would only make a relatively small change, I believe that the Boise deal would count towards the computation of the average conference distribution. I am not following, I took $1.8M off the top and then calculated the distributions with the net amount. What else should we consider? |
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Post by Yoda on Apr 22, 2023 12:47:57 GMT -8
This pretty much should shut Yoda up for good. Not a prayer in hell. Kurtz readily admits that he has no sources of his own; he's just regurgitating what he reads along with his own opinions. He's a K-State / Big 12 homer and he's almost entirely ignorant of college football west of Texas. So I'll shut up when the decisions have been made and we are on the outside. Until then, I'm still 90% chance we are in unless the PAC totally collapses, in which case we drop to 50%. Sorry... Oh and by the way, if you trust Kurtz so much, you might want to consider that he's 100% in on Arizona, Arizona State and Colorado coming to the Big 12. Sure you want to rely on his opinions? |
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Post by Boise Aztec on Apr 22, 2023 12:57:55 GMT -8
This pretty much should shut Yoda up for good. Not a prayer in hell. Kurtz readily admits that he has no sources of his own; he's just regurgitating what he reads along with his own opinions. He's a K-State / Big 12 homer and he's almost entirely ignorant of college football west of Texas. So I'll shut up when the decisions have been made and we are on the outside. Until then, I'm still 90% chance we are in unless the PAC totally collapses, in which case we drop to 50%. Sorry... Oh and by the way, if you trust Kurtz so much, you might want to consider that he's 100% in on Arizona, Arizona State and Colorado coming to the Big 12. Sure you want to rely on his opinions? If the P12 collapses Fresno State has ZERO chance of landing in the B12/14/16/18/20… Zero |
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Post by aardvark on Apr 22, 2023 13:01:49 GMT -8
I don't so much mind his Fresno/B12 posts, but they're kind of off topic (somewhat) on this thread. Tangential at best. This is about SDSU and the PAC 12.The thread title may be about "SDSU and the PAC 12" but the thread itself is far broader than that. It's also about "SDSU and the Big 12". It's about television markets and television deals. It's about Oregon and Washington bolting to the Big 10 -- and Stanford and Cal doing so as well. It's about the odds of Colorado and Arizona going to the Big 12. And Arizona State and Utah. And Washington and Oregon. And Washington State and Oregon State. It's about SMU, and Tulane and Rice. It's about academics and cultural fits. It's about comparative attendance figures and disputed market sizes. And comparative television ratings. It's about protecting rivalries or splitting them between conferences -- BYU & Utah, Arizona and Arizona State, the Washington & Oregon schools. And so much more. All of which are tangential to the very narrow thread title. You can't speculate about SDSU to the P12 in a void because it isn't happening in a void. If you tried, you'd have a 35 page thread that would have fallen off the front page long ago. Your house. Your rules. Your call. But I am not a troll. Damn. If it's about TV markets, Las Vegas and UNLV looks quite a bit better than Fresno and Fresno State. |
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