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Post by The Aztec Panther on Apr 21, 2023 15:00:15 GMT -8
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Post by Den60 on Apr 21, 2023 16:48:02 GMT -8
This guy loses all credibility when he mentions Fresno and Boise St as potential PAC adds. No way they get in with their academics. UNLV may, but I don't think in this round. They just don't offer much athletically and their academic reputation isn't very good. UNLV squandered every opportunity and advantage they have had. They were a growing media market with a national brand basketball program. Even though Football drove the bus, they were always advanced in expansion because of their Basketball Brand and football market potential. Those advantages are now gone. UNLV basketball has been mediocre at best for a decade. Their football team has aspired for mediocre for decades. And during this time, the city has transformed into a Pro Sports Town. NHL is there, NFL is there, MLB may soon be there, and they are trying hard for an NBA Franchise. UNLV is now SJSU without the P5 competition in town. They had a window from 1990 to 2010 to elevate themselves. In my opinion, their window has closed. Will, it open up again like it has for SDSU as the NBA and NFL left town? Maybe but not likely. Will pro sports reenter SD and have the same impact, not likely. The Clippers and Lakers will stop any NBA team from trying to enter SD and the Chargers and Rams are going to stop any NFL team from moving into SD. JMO. SJSU hired Tim Miles and if they can keep him their BB program will get better. They got rid of the ugliest floor in college basketball and, perhaps, they will improve the lighting. Being in the the "Silicon Valley" one would think they should have some well heeled donors. Their football program has gotten better and us old guys remember where Glaude Gilbert went when dismissed from SDSU. |
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Post by Den60 on Apr 21, 2023 16:50:18 GMT -8
If Apple is committed, I'd go with them in a heartbeat. Most capitalized company in the world and can buy and sell Disney, Amazon and the other cable sports networks. |
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Post by Den60 on Apr 21, 2023 16:54:02 GMT -8
If and repeat IF - Colorado and Arizona are determined to leave the PAC for the Big 12 - leaving the PAC with 8 members IMO the PAC could survive if it adds 4 schools - say SDSU - SMU and 2 more ---be it another school from Texas and or Fresno and or BSU or UNLV the 2 important elements are First and Most important TV Viewers and possibly Recruiting areas - CU and Zona aren't going anywhere unless the B1G takes UW and UO. The latter is not going to happen in this round of realignment. Jason Scheer doesn't make the decision for Zona and Deion Sanders doesn't make the decision for Colorado. From the moment Apple was mentioned I have been all in for them buying the PAC media rights. They can bury the competition if they want to. |
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Post by Den60 on Apr 21, 2023 16:55:36 GMT -8
CU and Arizona aren't leaving. I'm not saying that they are, but how do you know that they aren't? Or is that just wishful thinking stated as fact? Not wishful thinking, they are not going to the B12 unless the PAC implodes completely and this just... isn't... going... to... happen. I can't type any slower, sorry. |
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Post by Den60 on Apr 21, 2023 16:57:24 GMT -8
Washington and Oregon will sign the same Grant of Rights as everyone else in the PAC (likely 6-ish years), so the PAC would be guaranteed to remain intact for the duration of the GoR. Ah, thanks...that makes sense. I guess a 6 year or so guarantee is all we can expect in the current environment. I guarantee the Pac 12 won't take Fresno State or UNLV....Boise or SMU would likely go in with us in my opinion. Boise St has terrible academics and, while they dwarf Fresno's $9M research budget at $43M, they are nowhere near what the PAC expects from its members. |
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Post by Den60 on Apr 21, 2023 16:58:39 GMT -8
I'm not saying that they are, but how do you know that they aren't? Or is that just wishful thinking stated as fact? Because it's a lateral move with coast-to-coast travel challenges. Not even a lateral move athletically (for football) and most definitely not a lateral move academically. |
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Post by Den60 on Apr 21, 2023 17:01:25 GMT -8
Been saying that for months now but it doesn't get people hits on their blogs or podcasts. Way too late for them to add them now for 2024 anyway when considering things like scheduling and such. |
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Post by Den60 on Apr 21, 2023 17:03:32 GMT -8
I'm not saying that they are, but how do you know that they aren't? Or is that just wishful thinking stated as fact? This is a stupid post. How do you know they are? How to you know they are not? In the absence of any creditable facts they are not. Asking Yoda for facts is like asking Michael Moore for weight loss tips. |
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Post by sdmotohead on Apr 21, 2023 17:04:00 GMT -8
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Post by AzTex on Apr 21, 2023 17:04:48 GMT -8
UNLV squandered every opportunity and advantage they have had. They were a growing media market with a national brand basketball program. Even though Football drove the bus, they were always advanced in expansion because of their Basketball Brand and football market potential. Those advantages are now gone. UNLV basketball has been mediocre at best for a decade. Their football team has aspired for mediocre for decades. And during this time, the city has transformed into a Pro Sports Town. NHL is there, NFL is there, MLB may soon be there, and they are trying hard for an NBA Franchise. UNLV is now SJSU without the P5 competition in town. They had a window from 1990 to 2010 to elevate themselves. In my opinion, their window has closed. Will, it open up again like it has for SDSU as the NBA and NFL left town? Maybe but not likely. Will pro sports reenter SD and have the same impact, not likely. The Clippers and Lakers will stop any NBA team from trying to enter SD and the Chargers and Rams are going to stop any NFL team from moving into SD. JMO. SJSU hired Tim Miles and if they can keep him their BB program will get better. They got rid of the ugliest floor in college basketball and, perhaps, they will improve the lighting. Being in the the "Silicon Valley" one would think they should have some well heeled donors. Their football program has gotten better and us old guys remember where Glaude Gilbert went when dismissed from SDSU. Yes, us old guys remember that Claude ended up at SJSU. Some of us also remember that he played and graduated from there.
What few remember, I'd bet, is that he got fired from SJSU for reasons a little similar to why he was fired from here. He brought in a bunch of Jr. College recruits after being told not to. Here he was fired for not being able to transition quick enough and successfully enough from Jr. College recruits to high school recruits.
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Post by Den60 on Apr 21, 2023 17:06:50 GMT -8
To be honest, I don't mind him posting his pro Fresno BS here as I eagerly await the chance to rub his nose in it when everything is settled and we are in the PAC and Fresno is stuck in the MWC debating whether to add UTEP, South Dakota or North Dakota to the conference. |
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Post by Den60 on Apr 21, 2023 17:15:14 GMT -8
SJSU hired Tim Miles and if they can keep him their BB program will get better. They got rid of the ugliest floor in college basketball and, perhaps, they will improve the lighting. Being in the the "Silicon Valley" one would think they should have some well heeled donors. Their football program has gotten better and us old guys remember where Glaude Gilbert went when dismissed from SDSU. Yes, us old guys remember that Claude ended up at SJSU. Some of us also remember that he played and graduated from there. What few remember, I'd bet, is that he got fired from SJSU for reasons a little similar to why he was fired from here. He brought in a bunch of Jr. College recruits after being told not to. Here he was fired for not being able to transition quick enough and successfully enough from Jr. College recruits to high school recruits.
I didn't know that about his being fired from SJSU but did know that from SDSU. I do think it is a bit more complicated however. We likely didn't have the contacts at the high school level for him to even recruit with when he took over here. Perhaps SJSU had the same issues. Interesting, I just looked him up and he is still alive. Something completely off the wall. I am currently watching the 1967 move "Bonnie & Clyde." First, didn't recall Gene Hackman, one of the best actors of his day, was in it and even more surprised that Gene Wilder was also in it. OK, back to your regularly scheduled sports talk |
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Post by socalaztecfan on Apr 21, 2023 17:17:32 GMT -8
I don’t think this guy has any inside info. |
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Post by aztecfred on Apr 21, 2023 17:25:13 GMT -8
Yes, us old guys remember that Claude ended up at SJSU. Some of us also remember that he played and graduated from there. What few remember, I'd bet, is that he got fired from SJSU for reasons a little similar to why he was fired from here. He brought in a bunch of Jr. College recruits after being told not to. Here he was fired for not being able to transition quick enough and successfully enough from Jr. College recruits to high school recruits.
I didn't know that about his being fired from SJSU but did know that from SDSU. I do think it is a bit more complicated however. We likely didn't have the contacts at the high school level for him to even recruit with when he took over here. Perhaps SJSU had the same issues. Interesting, I just looked him up and he is still alive. Something completely off the wall. I am currently watching the 1967 move "Bonnie & Clyde." First, didn't recall Gene Hackman, one of the best actors of his day, was in it and even more surprised that Gene Wilder was also in it. OK, back to your regularly scheduled sports talk Watching too. Knew both were in though. Estelle Parsons who played Roseanne Barrs mother is in it as well. |
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Post by chris92065 on Apr 21, 2023 17:35:39 GMT -8
If Apple is committed, I'd go with them in a heartbeat. Most capitalized company in the world and can buy and sell Disney, Amazon and the other cable sports networks. I agree with this. Apple has the financials to make this happen for the long term. Disney and Fox have been laying off people due to cable subscriptions trending downwards. |
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Post by AzTex on Apr 21, 2023 18:37:08 GMT -8
Yes, us old guys remember that Claude ended up at SJSU. Some of us also remember that he played and graduated from there. What few remember, I'd bet, is that he got fired from SJSU for reasons a little similar to why he was fired from here. He brought in a bunch of Jr. College recruits after being told not to. Here he was fired for not being able to transition quick enough and successfully enough from Jr. College recruits to high school recruits.
I didn't know that about his being fired from SJSU but did know that from SDSU. I do think it is a bit more complicated however. We likely didn't have the contacts at the high school level for him to even recruit with when he took over here. Perhaps SJSU had the same issues. Interesting, I just looked him up and he is still alive. Something completely off the wall. I am currently watching the 1967 move "Bonnie & Clyde." First, didn't recall Gene Hackman, one of the best actors of his day, was in it and even more surprised that Gene Wilder was also in it. OK, back to your regularly scheduled sports talk That's true. We had been recruiting almost exclusively from the Jr. College ranks. They we move into a higher quality conference, the WAC, and the administration insisted we quickly transition to high school recruits. They really didn't give Claude the time he needed to make that transition smoothly. That would have included cultivating the necessary contacts with the high school coaches.
Claude's first 5 seasons were all 8-10 wins (11 game schedules). His last 3 seasons went 4, 8 and 4 wins (11 game schedules) in the WAC. No question Claude could coach and recruit. But to abandon our established pipeline with the JC's and try to recruit exclusively from high schools who we had virtually no contact with previously was a recipe for disaster and Claude paid the price. Actually we all paid the price as the program fell to it's lowest level since Coryell arrived on campus and stayed that way until Hoke's first arrival.
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Post by Den60 on Apr 21, 2023 20:25:08 GMT -8
I didn't know that about his being fired from SJSU but did know that from SDSU. I do think it is a bit more complicated however. We likely didn't have the contacts at the high school level for him to even recruit with when he took over here. Perhaps SJSU had the same issues. Interesting, I just looked him up and he is still alive. Something completely off the wall. I am currently watching the 1967 move "Bonnie & Clyde." First, didn't recall Gene Hackman, one of the best actors of his day, was in it and even more surprised that Gene Wilder was also in it. OK, back to your regularly scheduled sports talk That's true. We had been recruiting almost exclusively from the Jr. College ranks. They we move into a higher quality conference, the WAC, and the administration insisted we quickly transition to high school recruits. They really didn't give Claude the time he needed to make that transition smoothly. That would have included cultivating the necessary contacts with the high school coaches. Claude's first 5 seasons were all 8-10 wins (11 game schedules). His last 3 seasons went 4, 8 and 4 wins (11 game schedules) in the WAC. No question Claude could coach and recruit. But to abandon our established pipeline with the JC's and try to recruit exclusively from high schools who we had virtually no contact with previously was a recipe for disaster and Claude paid the price. Actually we all paid the price as the program fell to it's lowest level since Coryell arrived on campus and stayed that way until Hoke's first arrival.
I think I misinterpreted the point you were making. I thought you were using the SJSU firing as a justification for SDSU. |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Apr 21, 2023 20:46:19 GMT -8
Hawaii will get the stadium built. But it will be on Hawaii Time and Hawaii Budget. The story on how Aloha Stadium was built is extremely fascinating and is actually the beginning of this stadium story. In the early 90's, 15 years after Aloha Stadium was constructed, it was becoming clear that a new stadium was going to be needed to be built earlier rather than later. The main issue was weathering steel. The stadium was designed to use weathering steel, which by design develops a surface rust that creates a protective patina. However, if there is a high concentration of salt in the rain or air, the steel would be an accelerant to the rusting process. A massive error was made (I can't remember by whom), it was believed that the stadium would be far enough away from the coast, that the prevailing wind was away from the stadium, and that the abundant rainfall would wash away any salt deposits on the stadium made the use of the weathering steel acceptable. There were lawsuits, all of the vendors for the stadium settled their lawsuits with Hawaii (Amounts that I do not remember) sans USX who went on to win in the Supreme Court. You would think that finding out that the skeleton of your fairly new stadium was rotting at a tremendous rate would cause you to plan for the next stadium quickly. Hawaii decided for some odd reason they put a lot of money into the stadium to stabilize it, even as more design flaws came popping up. First, they decided in the 80's and 90's to spray the steel with a protective coating. Of course, this does not address the corrosion that already happened, and this coating requires constant upkeep (no different than painting your house) which is a plague at times to governments. They built it for $35M and then put in over $200M from its opening to prolong its life. Money and time that would have been better spent on a new stadium. The cynics on the Islands will say that the incompetence on the Island is a show and that these types of things happen on the Islands by design. Take the H-1, construction (though not constant) started in 1960 and finished in 1986 for 27.5 miles of road. The H2 started in 1960 and finishing in blinding speed in 1977, granted it was 8.5 miles of road. Yes, the terrain can be difficult, the weather wet, and supply chain challenging. However, keep in mind the Transcontinental railway was constructed during 1863 and 1869. Hawaii now embarks on a new stadium; I eagerly await to see all the twists and turns. There have already been a couple. Demolition is slated for 2023 or 2024 for Aloha Stadium. That would be 3-4 years after it was condemned. The smart money would put the demolition o/u at 5 years. They are targeting a new stadium in 2026, I would put that o/u at 2030. Hawaii is now playing on campus with temporary stands. I do credit UH admins for realizing that they need to make do best they can with what they have as they are at the mercy of the State Legislature and their procurement protocols. They set up a 9K stadium and wanted to expand it to 15K for this season, but last I heard from people on the Island that expansion will be happening until next year (fingers crossed), supply chain issues were cited. The stadium is an issue, but they could solve that quickly if they so desired. Their Geography is an issue, but not an issue for football only. But what they can't resolve is that the Islands are not that large and population growth for the Islands is not favorable. I like them as current conference mates and I root for them when they play other teams. The PAC is making a business decision and the first criteria is TV sets. new over under is 2031. Set your own over under, but 2032 seems good. This statement should send shivers down the UH faithful spines. Appearing on a panel on Insights on PBS Hawaii Thursday Night, state Budget and Finance Director Luis Salaveria said the previously predicted 2027 reopening was not realistic. “If we were to execute with an eye on the plan and moving forward, put all hands on deck on this particular effort, the intention would be for a stadium to be ready for the 2028 football season,” Salaveria said. Take the under if you think Hawaii firing in all cylinders hits 2028. On a side not: PBS on the island is a hoot. My old man actually would go on from time to time and debate politician on PBS. |
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Post by AzTex on Apr 21, 2023 21:19:31 GMT -8
That's true. We had been recruiting almost exclusively from the Jr. College ranks. They we move into a higher quality conference, the WAC, and the administration insisted we quickly transition to high school recruits. They really didn't give Claude the time he needed to make that transition smoothly. That would have included cultivating the necessary contacts with the high school coaches. Claude's first 5 seasons were all 8-10 wins (11 game schedules). His last 3 seasons went 4, 8 and 4 wins (11 game schedules) in the WAC. No question Claude could coach and recruit. But to abandon our established pipeline with the JC's and try to recruit exclusively from high schools who we had virtually no contact with previously was a recipe for disaster and Claude paid the price. Actually we all paid the price as the program fell to it's lowest level since Coryell arrived on campus and stayed that way until Hoke's first arrival.
I think I misinterpreted the point you were making. I thought you were using the SJSU firing as a justification for SDSU. Don't know if it was your lack of understanding of my comment, or my failure to be clear, but yes, you did apparently misinterpret my point. I was trying to point our the irony of Claude being dismissed from the Aztecs and SJSU for very similar reasons. The rush by the athletic administration to move from JC recruiting to high school recruiting. There were differences of course. Here he was replacing older, experienced JC players with young, inexperienced high school players with the expected lack of success on the field during the transition. At San Jose he choose to bring in a bunch of JC players against the wishes of the administration which led to his firing.
I don't believe his firing here was justified in any way. If you're going to make the change from JC recruiting to high school recruiting you either need to do it all at once and accept that you're going to have a few years where the team is very young and unlikely to win many games. Or, you have to plan to make the transition over a longer time and gradually end up with all high school recruits.
Claude was not given the chance to do either. Claude didn't do himself any favors among a lot of the boosters by trying to move away from our all black uniforms and move towards more of a running offense. That along with the transition problems did him in. |
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