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Post by Yoda on Apr 21, 2023 8:01:42 GMT -8
How do you people feel about giving Apple (or Amazon) full tier one rights? tv.apple.com/?mttn3pid=Google%20AdWords&mttnagencyid=a5e&mttncc=US&mttnsiteid=143238&mttnsubad=OUS2019801_1-645629404498-c&mttnsubkw=75222244984__idXQ476O_According to the website Statista Apple has 25 million paid Apple TV+ subscribers but 50 million on free promotions. Paramount+ currently has about 46 million paid subscribers, and HBO Max will have 70 million subscribers in the 4th quarter of 2022.Jan 16, 2023 As I read it there and elsewhere, the 50 million on free promotions is worldwide and most didn't sign up for it so much as it came with their new device. No idea if the 25 million is US or worldwide, how many free promotions stick or how fast the platform is growing. One advantage to Apple is that it would be a heck of a basketball recruiting tool for foreign players. Their parents could watch them from home in wherever home is. |
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Post by laaztec on Apr 21, 2023 8:12:57 GMT -8
How do you people feel about giving Apple (or Amazon) full tier one rights? I like it. Then Apple can sell top games to a linear partner. |
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Post by standiego on Apr 21, 2023 8:15:10 GMT -8
If and repeat IF - Colorado and Arizona are determined to leave the PAC for the Big 12 - leaving the PAC with 8 members
IMO the PAC could survive if it adds 4 schools - say SDSU - SMU and 2 more ---be it another school from Texas and or Fresno and or BSU or UNLV
the 2 important elements are First and Most important TV Viewers and possibly Recruiting areas -
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Post by laaztec on Apr 21, 2023 8:17:39 GMT -8
If and repeat IF - Colorado and Arizona are determined to leave the PAC for the Big 12 - leaving the PAC with 8 members IMO the PAC could survive if it adds 4 schools - say SDSU - SMU and 2 more ---be it another school from Texas and or Fresno and or BSU or UNLV the 2 important elements are First and Most important TV Viewers and possibly Recruiting areas - CU and Arizona aren't leaving. |
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Post by Yoda on Apr 21, 2023 8:23:51 GMT -8
CU and Arizona aren't leaving. I'm not saying that they are, but how do you know that they aren't? Or is that just wishful thinking stated as fact? |
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Post by smoothcat on Apr 21, 2023 8:25:41 GMT -8
My concern about going to the Pac 12 is what if we do so and then Washington and Oregon leave? Without UCLA and USC, have to keep Washington and Oregon or else the conference becomes largely irrelevant yes? Washington and Oregon will sign the same Grant of Rights as everyone else in the PAC (likely 6-ish years), so the PAC would be guaranteed to remain intact for the duration of the GoR. Ah, thanks...that makes sense. I guess a 6 year or so guarantee is all we can expect in the current environment. I guarantee the Pac 12 won't take Fresno State or UNLV....Boise or SMU would likely go in with us in my opinion. |
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Post by zbt69 on Apr 21, 2023 8:30:14 GMT -8
How do you people feel about giving Apple (or Amazon) full tier one rights? I have both and if they are willing to pay for it, it's great. Plus you put in the fact that streaming is the future of broadcasting it would be advantageous to be ahead of the class. It's obvious that ESPN has pushed the SEC even when they were not the best league. I don't care about the SEC or the Big 10. I don't watch either league often. College sports tends to be more regional in interest. It's not the NFL. |
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Post by Yoda on Apr 21, 2023 8:49:20 GMT -8
I don't care about the SEC or the Big 10. I don't watch either league often. College sports tends to be more regional in interest. It's not the NFL. I agree. And I wonder if that will be the fatal flaw in the rush to a P-2. I can't imagine LA fans ever working up strong rivalries with schools that are two time zones away. While I think that your decision to go with the PAC instead of the Big 12 is the wrong one (for stability and strength of conference reasons mostly), I can certainly understand why you would want to be part of a western region. Our "longstanding rivalry" with Kansas State, for example, consists of two games. I doubt that we've ever played Iowa State. There are no perfect options here, for anybody. |
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Post by dadhammett on Apr 21, 2023 9:21:33 GMT -8
CU and Arizona aren't leaving. I'm not saying that they are, but how do you know that they aren't? Or is that just wishful thinking stated as fact? Because it's a lateral move with coast-to-coast travel challenges. |
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Post by zbt69 on Apr 21, 2023 9:27:02 GMT -8
The P-2 is being pushed by mainly ESPN. We have the NFL don't need a similar knock-off in college sports. College sports are unique because of the personal rivalries. Don't do away with those.
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Post by gentlesaztec on Apr 21, 2023 9:40:03 GMT -8
The P12 should offer the streaming services 9 AM start times to compete in the east and midwest.
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Post by hoobs on Apr 21, 2023 9:56:50 GMT -8
I'm not saying that they are, but how do you know that they aren't? Or is that just wishful thinking stated as fact? Because it's a lateral move with coast-to-coast travel challenges. Lateral in overall athletics, big step down in academics, and as you said... coast-to-coast travel sucks (see Dutch's comments about it during/after the Louisville trip, back to back weekends east of Texas). |
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Post by cvaztec on Apr 21, 2023 12:18:19 GMT -8
Indeed. Another way to look at it would be if you had a whole pizza with 10 slices, and took 7 slices for yourself and left the rest on the table. In this example, you'd have literally left 30% (3 slices) on the table. This would align with those that are coming up with the $45 million dollar figure. In your senario, the pizza was bought. The thing that exists is pizza. It is the basis of the calculation. So yes, I buy a pizza and that is 100% of pizza. Conversely, I sign a contract and that is 100% of the contract. You are helping prove the point. Percentage of the tangible thing that exists. That's how it works. The B12 didn't have a contract at 45 that was reduced by 30%. They have a contract that (some say) could have been 30% higher. There is no confusion over this. There are not two sides. Respectfully, I have to disagree. I feel there's a difference between being able to get 30% more than what you got, and leaving 30% on the table. In my mind, the total amount referenced to calculate the 30% is different in each scenario. In the first one, 100% is the amount you actually got; however, in the second scenario, 100% is the amount you could have got, provided that amount is quantifiable. However, let me add that I have no idea what amount the Big 12 could have got. Doesn't really matter to me, as long as the PAC gets a decent amount and we're invited to join. |
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Post by laaztec on Apr 21, 2023 12:37:00 GMT -8
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Post by survalli on Apr 21, 2023 12:42:10 GMT -8
maybe, or maybe they are waiting for the market to dictate their value. perhaps they are betting that these Pac12 members will receive a substantial decrease in value, allowing them to possible get these teams in eventually on the cheap. this is the smart play should Westward expansion come into play for the Big10 |
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Post by SD Johnny on Apr 21, 2023 12:46:06 GMT -8
CU and Arizona aren't leaving. I'm not saying that they are, but how do you know that they aren't? Or is that just wishful thinking stated as fact? Because the big 12s academics are so bad that, according to you, they are considering adding Fresno State. That would be academic suicide. |
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Post by Boise Aztec on Apr 21, 2023 12:51:12 GMT -8
maybe, or maybe they are waiting for the market to dictate their value. perhaps they are betting that these Pac12 members will receive a substantial decrease in value, allowing them to possible get these teams in eventually on the cheap. this is the smart play should Westward expansion come into play for the Big10 How do they get them on the cheap? Get them to accept a smaller share long term? Washington is more valuable than at least 5 current B1G members… Rutgers, Maryland, etc. |
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Post by survalli on Apr 21, 2023 12:58:25 GMT -8
maybe, or maybe they are waiting for the market to dictate their value. perhaps they are betting that these Pac12 members will receive a substantial decrease in value, allowing them to possible get these teams in eventually on the cheap. this is the smart play should Westward expansion come into play for the Big10 How do they get them on the cheap? Get them to accept a smaller share long term? Washington is more valuable than at least 5 current B1G members… Rutgers, Maryland, etc. Washington/Oregon/AZ/Stanford are now the face of the Pac12. Discretion dictates that you wait for a new Pac12 media contract to take shape. That will show a real time valuation of those programs. The street says they are not as valuable as those schools think they are. B10 would be smart to see what that true valuation is before adding them. |
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Post by Cwag on Apr 21, 2023 13:06:32 GMT -8
CU and Arizona aren't leaving. I'm not saying that they are, but how do you know that they aren't? Or is that just wishful thinking stated as fact? This is a stupid post. How do you know they are? How to you know they are not? In the absence of any creditable facts they are not. |
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Post by standiego on Apr 21, 2023 13:17:06 GMT -8
The BIG added Rutgers and Maryland strictly to get 2 very valuable TV Viewing Markets and some company sponsors in those areas
BIG Alum groups have organized against further Expansion at least towards the West and have suggested to Mr Tony that he first take care of some in house things . It also makes more sense to see how things go with USC and UCLA then rush into adding even more Western Schools -
So would guess that the Huskies and Ducks are at best on hold for a while
Additional consideration - If the PAC has 10 to 12 teams wouldn't it be more likely for the Ducks or Huskies to get into the Expanded College Football playoffs
On the Educational issue - where it matters most the Presidents get The Vote on a Tv Deal and Expansion not the Ad's
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