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Post by Yoda on Apr 19, 2023 5:01:55 GMT -8
Do not think the PAC is slow playing this to hurt SDSU Rather think they are hoping that the PAC can still get a better TV Deal and hold onto most if not all of the current 10 or at least 8 - if it doesn't there could be major adjustments that will have to be made - Have to add even more MW schools besides SDSU and SMU - maybe we might have Fresno and another school Given that the PAC is down to 8 schools, in your hypothetical, and given the B1G aspirations of the top schools and the rapidly shrinking TV contract, I'm not sure you could find any other MWC schools willing to pay the exit fee and make the jump. I'm not certain that SDSU and SMU would do so. Absent USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington and your unnamed two others, the rest of the former PAC 12 is a lateral move and nobody is going to pay a big exit fee for a lateral move. I think it more likely that the MWC schools would invite PAC schools than that they would jump to the PAC. The PAC has no exit penalties -- they can move without cost. At best, you end up with a merger that has more MWC schools in it than PAC schools. |
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Post by Den60 on Apr 19, 2023 6:56:04 GMT -8
Do not think the PAC is slow playing this to hurt SDSU Rather think they are hoping that the PAC can still get a better TV Deal and hold onto most if not all of the current 10 or at least 8 - if it doesn't there could be major adjustments that will have to be made - Have to add even more MW schools besides SDSU and SMU - maybe we might have Fresno and another school Given that the PAC is down to 8 schools, in your hypothetical, and given the B1G aspirations of the top schools and the rapidly shrinking TV contract, I'm not sure you could find any other MWC schools willing to pay the exit fee and make the jump. I'm not certain that SDSU and SMU would do so. Absent USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington and your unnamed two others, the rest of the former PAC 12 is a lateral move and nobody is going to pay a big exit fee for a lateral move. I think it more likely that the MWC schools would invite PAC schools than that they would jump to the PAC. The PAC has no exit penalties -- they can move without cost. At best, you end up with a merger that has more MWC schools in it than PAC schools. Of course, you ignore the fact that the PAC is going to stick together until, at least, 2030. |
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Post by Yoda on Apr 19, 2023 7:57:53 GMT -8
Of course, you ignore the fact that the PAC is going to stick together until, at least, 2030. And of course you ignore the fact that that isn't a fact until it happens. Until then, it's a hope and a prayer. |
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Post by standiego on Apr 19, 2023 8:32:43 GMT -8
I am hoping that the PAC does stay together but am also realistic in thinking that IF the PAC TV deal is not good enough for some schools they could leave . So until there is an actual TV Deal who knows what could happen
Also believe that If Big 12 does add PAC schools that there might not be an invite for any MW schools
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Post by Den60 on Apr 19, 2023 8:54:25 GMT -8
Of course, you ignore the fact that the PAC is going to stick together until, at least, 2030. And of course you ignore the fact that that isn't a fact until it happens. Until then, it's a hope and a prayer. It's a helluva lot more than a hope and a prayer, fella. Odds are greatly in favor of the PAC staying together and adding SDSU. |
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Post by Boise Aztec on Apr 19, 2023 8:54:44 GMT -8
Of course, you ignore the fact that the PAC is going to stick together until, at least, 2030. And of course you ignore the fact that that isn't a fact until it happens. Until then, it's a hope and a prayer. It is really getting boring… “hope and prayer” |
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Post by longtimebooster on Apr 19, 2023 9:04:48 GMT -8
Of course, you ignore the fact that the PAC is going to stick together until, at least, 2030. And of course you ignore the fact that that isn't a fact until it happens. Until then, it's a hope and a prayer. The odds of the falling satellite hitting someone this evening is 2,750-1. Just thought I'd throw that in there. Seems relevant. |
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Post by myownwords on Apr 19, 2023 9:05:01 GMT -8
I suspect that Oregon and Washington have been recalcitrant about agreeing to a GOR any longer than 3 years. The PAC Pukes are finding it difficult to procure a work around that satisfies all others involved.
But my view is, that we are STILL better off in an enfeebled PAC, than staying with the Goat Grunts.
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Post by myownwords on Apr 19, 2023 9:07:32 GMT -8
And of course you ignore the fact that that isn't a fact until it happens. Until then, it's a hope and a prayer. The odds of the falling satellite hitting someone this evening is 2,750-1. Just thought I'd throw that in there. Seems relevant. So now you're dishing on satellites? |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Apr 19, 2023 9:10:14 GMT -8
I suspect that Oregon and Washington have been recalcitrant about agreeing to a GOR any longer than 3 years. The PAC Pukes are finding it difficult to procure a work around that satisfies all others involved. But my view is, that we are STILL better off in an enfeebled PAC, than staying with the Goat Grunts. They could only do a three year agreement if they were leaving everything as is with their media partners. I don't think Apple or Amazon would make an investment for just a 3 year term. If they did, they would lower the media fees accordingly. If they are going to move the P12 network to streaming, then they are going to have to sign on for a longer term. JMO. |
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Post by myownwords on Apr 19, 2023 9:21:06 GMT -8
I suspect that Oregon and Washington have been recalcitrant about agreeing to a GOR any longer than 3 years. The PAC Pukes are finding it difficult to procure a work around that satisfies all others involved. But my view is, that we are STILL better off in an enfeebled PAC, than staying with the Goat Grunts. They could only do a three year agreement if they were leaving everything as is with their media partners. I don't think Apple or Amazon would make an investment for just a 3 year term. If they did, they would lower the media fees accordingly. If they are going to move the P12 network to streaming, then they are going to have to sign on for a longer term. JMO. Makes sense...however, then the PAC has a history of NOT making sense. But I take your point. |
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Post by Yoda on Apr 19, 2023 9:24:15 GMT -8
And of course you ignore the fact that that isn't a fact until it happens. Until then, it's a hope and a prayer. It's a helluva lot more than a hope and a prayer, fella. Odds are greatly in favor of the PAC staying together and adding SDSU. Please explain how they are "greatly in favor". The conference has missed a half dozen deadlines to get the TV deal done -- deadlines that they imposed on themselves. It's dragged out so long that one of your PAC friendly writers had to change his formula for predicting survival/non-survival just to keep the odds from slipping into non-survival. Another west coast based writer says that there is only a 70% chance that the conference will survive (or maybe it was expand -- I forget). Several PAC members are in talks with the Big 12. That doesn't sound like "greatly in favor" to me. So explain how the odds are greatly in favor. Understand, I hope the PAC members "stay together" and I hope that they invite SDSU. I'm on your side here. The odds of our getting into the Big 12 go down quite a lot if the PAC blows up. |
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Post by aztecjeff on Apr 19, 2023 9:26:10 GMT -8
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Post by frustratedfan on Apr 19, 2023 9:32:40 GMT -8
I am hoping that the PAC does stay together but am also realistic in thinking that IF the PAC TV deal is not good enough for some schools they could leave . So until there is an actual TV Deal who knows what could happen Also believe that If Big 12 does add PAC schools that there might not be an invite for any MW schools I agree with most of this. I still believe the Big 12 wants a share of the Southern California market. Didn't their commissioner say he wanted a presence coast to coast? If the Pac 12 falls apart due to a low TV deal I still believe SDSU would get an invite to the Big 12. That is why it is important to keep the line of communication open with the Big 12 just in case. We can't have the attitude of "Pac 12 or bust". |
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Post by Yoda on Apr 19, 2023 9:41:33 GMT -8
If the Pac 12 falls apart due to a low TV deal I still believe SDSU would get an invite to the Big 12. That is why it is important to keep the line of communication open with the Big 12 just in case. We can't have the attitude of "Pac 12 or bust". Agreed. If the PAC stays together but doesn't expand, then I think that the Big 12 takes us both. If the PAC stays together and expands, I think that the Big 12 adds Fresno State and PROBABLY waits a while before adding anybody else. Most of you prefer the former. I prefer the latter as I think that the PAC will continue to be too unstable to pay to enter or even get trapped in when the next shoe drops. Besides, I like the rivalry and how you've all accepted me as, more-or-less, one of your own. LOL... |
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Post by azteccc on Apr 19, 2023 9:58:39 GMT -8
If the Pac 12 falls apart due to a low TV deal I still believe SDSU would get an invite to the Big 12. That is why it is important to keep the line of communication open with the Big 12 just in case. We can't have the attitude of "Pac 12 or bust". Agreed. If the PAC stays together but doesn't expand, then I think that the Big 12 takes us both. If the PAC stays together and expands, I think that the Big 12 adds Fresno State and PROBABLY waits a while before adding anybody else. Most of you prefer the former. I prefer the latter as I think that the PAC will continue to be too unstable to pay to enter or even get trapped in when the next shoe drops. Besides, I like the rivalry and how you've all accepted me as, more-or-less, one of your own. LOL... So barring the PAC no longer existing, you honest to god think Fresno is going to the Big 12. Lol Fresno. |
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Post by azson on Apr 19, 2023 10:00:01 GMT -8
The odds of the falling satellite hitting someone this evening is 2,750-1. Just thought I'd throw that in there. Seems relevant. So now you're dishing on satellites? Good one, most satellite jokes go over our heads and are a waste of space. |
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Post by aztecjeff on Apr 19, 2023 10:05:16 GMT -8
In my opinion, San Diego State is "Poe Dameron", the aggressive & talented high-ranking X-wing fighter pilot of the Resistance. |
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Post by Yoda on Apr 19, 2023 10:15:19 GMT -8
Agreed. If the PAC stays together but doesn't expand, then I think that the Big 12 takes us both. If the PAC stays together and expands, I think that the Big 12 adds Fresno State and PROBABLY waits a while before adding anybody else. Most of you prefer the former. I prefer the latter as I think that the PAC will continue to be too unstable to pay to enter or even get trapped in when the next shoe drops. Besides, I like the rivalry and how you've all accepted me as, more-or-less, one of your own. LOL... So barring the PAC no longer existing, you honest to god think Fresno is going to the Big 12. Lol Fresno. Yes. And if the PAC ceases to exist, I still think we have a 50/50 chance of being one of the four schools chosen by the Big 12. |
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Post by Boise Aztec on Apr 19, 2023 10:30:45 GMT -8
I suspect that Oregon and Washington have been recalcitrant about agreeing to a GOR any longer than 3 years. The PAC Pukes are finding it difficult to procure a work around that satisfies all others involved. But my view is, that we are STILL better off in an enfeebled PAC, than staying with the Goat Grunts. They could only do a three year agreement if they were leaving everything as is with their media partners. I don't think Apple or Amazon would make an investment for just a 3 year term. If they did, they would lower the media fees accordingly. If they are going to move the P12 network to streaming, then they are going to have to sign on for a longer term. JMO. This… Washington is leading the deal team and they are working on a deal that expires in 2029… and as FM said, there is no way that Apple amd or Amazon is going to get into football for a 3 year time horizon |
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