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Post by Aztec For Life on Apr 18, 2023 13:49:17 GMT -8
If this upcoming season is SDSU’s last in the MW, we need to inform the MW by June 30th. So 73 days and we should know if we are joining the Pac 12 or the Big 12. The main issue with "our" deadline, is that is is OUR deadline. I suspect Kliavkoff and the PAC Pack are unconcerned, if not obdurate, regarding June 30th. Totally agree. Just said this to a buddy the other day who brought up the deadline. I’m sure they’ll try, but aren’t going to rush anything to save us a penalty fee to the MWC. |
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Post by hoobs on Apr 18, 2023 13:50:28 GMT -8
I was watching / listening to a BIG Podcaster yesterday - commented that the BIG has a new Commissioner and the thoughts are that he is very likely going to want work on a lot of internal things for the BIG and for at least the next few years hold off on any expansion So it would seem that for the Ducks and Huskies any hopes for a BIG invite with be on hold That's been known for quite a while now... |
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Post by obboy13 on Apr 18, 2023 13:52:08 GMT -8
If this upcoming season is SDSU’s last in the MW, we need to inform the MW by June 30th. So 73 days and we should know if we are joining the Pac 12 or the Big 12. The main issue with "our" deadline, is that is is OUR deadline. I suspect Kliavkoff and the PAC Pack are unconcerned, if not obdurate, regarding June 30th. Certainly can't disagree MOW. However, on the plus side, because it is our deadline, that means we have solutions that do not require waiting on Kliavkoff to reach his deadline. Heck remember when SDSU announced it was going to the Big East? Even Hair saw the wisdom in welcoming us back. Say the worst happens, and after announcing our departure, there no invitation to any P5 conference. What do you think the MWC would say to us, welcome back or sorry we'd rather add NMSU or Montana State? Been a while, if ever since we've enjoyed some leverage huh? |
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Post by 94sdsu on Apr 18, 2023 14:06:07 GMT -8
The main issue with "our" deadline, is that is is OUR deadline. I suspect Kliavkoff and the PAC Pack are unconcerned, if not obdurate, regarding June 30th. Certainly can't disagree MOW. However, on the plus side, because it is our deadline, that means we have solutions that do not require waiting on Kliavkoff to reach his deadline. Heck remember when SDSU announced it was going to the Big East? Even Hair saw the wisdom in welcoming us back. Say the worst happens, and after announcing our departure, there no invitation to any P5 conference. What do you think the MWC would say to us, welcome back or sorry we'd rather add NMSU or Montana State? Been a while, if ever since we've enjoyed some leverage huh? Yes, we could just tell the MWC we're going Indie before the June 30 deadline to avoid the big increase in exit fees and then if no P5 invite comes about, go back to the MWC as there's no way they'd say no to us. |
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Post by sdsu2000 on Apr 18, 2023 14:13:07 GMT -8
If this upcoming season is SDSU’s last in the MW, we need to inform the MW by June 30th. So 73 days and we should know if we are joining the Pac 12 or the Big 12. The main issue with "our" deadline, is that is is OUR deadline. I suspect Kliavkoff and the PAC Pack are unconcerned, if not obdurate, regarding June 30th. I said if this upcoming season is our last in the MW. We aren’t going to give less than a years notice to pay a larger exit fee. So we will know by June 30th if this is our last season or not. So our deadline is really about what season we would join a new conference. Offered before June 30th and we play football in 2024 in a new conference. Offered between July 1, 2023 and June 30, 2024 and we play football in 2025 in a new conference. |
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Post by myownwords on Apr 18, 2023 14:29:02 GMT -8
The main issue with "our" deadline, is that is is OUR deadline. I suspect Kliavkoff and the PAC Pack are unconcerned, if not obdurate, regarding June 30th. Certainly can't disagree MOW. However, on the plus side, because it is our deadline, that means we have solutions that do not require waiting on Kliavkoff to reach his deadline. Heck remember when SDSU announced it was going to the Big East? Even Hair saw the wisdom in welcoming us back. Say the worst happens, and after announcing our departure, there no invitation to any P5 conference. What do you think the MWC would say to us, welcome back or sorry we'd rather add NMSU or Montana State? Been a while, if ever since we've enjoyed some leverage huh? Yes, I think you're right. It would be an interesting imbroglio, and challenge, which I'd eschew. |
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Post by AzTex on Apr 18, 2023 14:48:21 GMT -8
The main issue with "our" deadline, is that is is OUR deadline. I suspect Kliavkoff and the PAC Pack are unconcerned, if not obdurate, regarding June 30th. I said if this upcoming season is our last in the MW. We aren’t going to give less than a years notice to pay a larger exit fee. So we will know by June 30th if this is our last season or not. So our deadline is really about what season we would join a new conference. Offered before June 30th and we play football in 2024 in a new conference. Offered between July 1, 2023 and June 30, 2024 and we play football in 2025 in a new conference. I think we might. If we get even $20 million for our partial share that first year and pay the MW an additional $15 million penalty, we'd be at least as well off if not ahead financially compared to not paying a penalty and taking the $4 million that the MW pays each year. The gains in recruiting alone might make it worthwhile. |
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Post by azteccc on Apr 18, 2023 14:49:39 GMT -8
Of course, it was a joke. I was mocking all the charlatans. I had every scenario covered; State goes to the PAC, State goes to the big12, State stays in the MWC. For timing, I went with as soon as. WHich means anytime after tomorrow. I couldn't be possibly wrong unless something was announced last night. But I had that covered, just throw in that everything is fluid aka change. You folks recognized it as a joke as, in your minds, there is no way anything bad could happen to the Aztecs. Meanwhile, I fell for it because I believe it to be a very plausible outcome. Sorry to have been so obtuse. I should have gone back a few posts to see what preceded it. There is no scenario where something good happens for Fresno while something good does not happen for SDSU. So I'd suggest you become a bit more optimistic about big bro's opportunities so you can plausibly keep your 0.2% chance at catching a coattail. edit: Literally the worst thing that "could happen to the Aztecs" is to be stuck wherever Fresno is for more than one more year. |
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Post by obboy13 on Apr 18, 2023 14:57:29 GMT -8
Certainly can't disagree MOW. However, on the plus side, because it is our deadline, that means we have solutions that do not require waiting on Kliavkoff to reach his deadline. Heck remember when SDSU announced it was going to the Big East? Even Hair saw the wisdom in welcoming us back. Say the worst happens, and after announcing our departure, there no invitation to any P5 conference. What do you think the MWC would say to us, welcome back or sorry we'd rather add NMSU or Montana State? Been a while, if ever since we've enjoyed some leverage huh? Yes, I think you're right. It would be an interesting imbroglio, and challenge, which I'd eschew. Well if you decide to eschew the challenge, I can't estop you....but we're better if you're with us.  |
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Post by obboy13 on Apr 18, 2023 15:02:16 GMT -8
I said if this upcoming season is our last in the MW. We aren’t going to give less than a years notice to pay a larger exit fee. So we will know by June 30th if this is our last season or not. So our deadline is really about what season we would join a new conference. Offered before June 30th and we play football in 2024 in a new conference. Offered between July 1, 2023 and June 30, 2024 and we play football in 2025 in a new conference. I think we might. If we get even $20 million for our partial share that first year and pay the MW an additional $15 million penalty, we'd be at least as well off if not ahead financially compared to not paying a penalty and taking the $4 million that the MW pays each year. The gains in recruiting alone might make it worthwhile. Might there even be an incentive for the Pac 12 or Big 12 for that matter to give us a little something extra to play starting 2024 rather than 2025 if it helps their TV package? Should we ask yoda, he probably thinks he knows?  |
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Post by myownwords on Apr 18, 2023 15:19:27 GMT -8
Yes, I think you're right. It would be an interesting imbroglio, and challenge, which I'd eschew. Well if you decide to eschew the challenge, I can't estop you....but we're better if you're with us. Good one. |
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Post by aztech on Apr 18, 2023 16:59:10 GMT -8
The main issue with "our" deadline, is that is is OUR deadline. I suspect Kliavkoff and the PAC Pack are unconcerned, if not obdurate, regarding June 30th. Certainly can't disagree MOW. However, on the plus side, because it is our deadline, that means we have solutions that do not require waiting on Kliavkoff to reach his deadline. Heck remember when SDSU announced it was going to the Big East? Even Hair saw the wisdom in welcoming us back. Say the worst happens, and after announcing our departure, there no invitation to any P5 conference. What do you think the MWC would say to us, welcome back or sorry we'd rather add NMSU or Montana State? Been a while, if ever since we've enjoyed some leverage huh? Couldn't be farther from the truth. Hair did not want us back. Pres Hirshman contacted the other presidents and Hair was overruled. He detests us and the feeling is mutual. If I recall during the planned move with BSU to the BE, Hair and Jim Sterk got into some kind of pissing contest. |
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Post by obboy13 on Apr 18, 2023 17:48:50 GMT -8
Certainly can't disagree MOW. However, on the plus side, because it is our deadline, that means we have solutions that do not require waiting on Kliavkoff to reach his deadline. Heck remember when SDSU announced it was going to the Big East? Even Hair saw the wisdom in welcoming us back. Say the worst happens, and after announcing our departure, there no invitation to any P5 conference. What do you think the MWC would say to us, welcome back or sorry we'd rather add NMSU or Montana State? Been a while, if ever since we've enjoyed some leverage huh? Couldn't be farther from the truth. Hair did not want us back. Pres Hirshman contacted the other presidents and Hair was overruled. He detests us and the feeling is mutual. If I recall during the planned move with BSU to the BE, Hair and Jim Sterk got into some kind of pissing contest. I was aware there were some issues, and I’m certainly no fan of hair. That’s why I said even Hair. Thanks for pointing out how dense he was and what it took for him to finally see the light. Doubt there would be similar issues this time around, but I hope it doesn’t come to that. |
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Post by Den60 on Apr 18, 2023 19:11:43 GMT -8
I think we might. If we get even $20 million for our partial share that first year and pay the MW an additional $15 million penalty, we'd be at least as well off if not ahead financially compared to not paying a penalty and taking the $4 million that the MW pays each year. The gains in recruiting alone might make it worthwhile. Might there even be an incentive for the Pac 12 or Big 12 for that matter to give us a little something extra to play starting 2024 rather than 2025 if it helps their TV package? Should we ask yoda, he probably thinks he knows? The PAC will have an agreement before June 30. They don't want to go into their final contract year without an agreement and they certainly want their membership finalized by then as well. According to Boise, who is infinitely more reliable than Yoda, we have a "term sheet" so we know what we will get in joining. If in the unlikely event that June 30 approaches and the deal is still being negotiated I am sure an announcement would be made of our intentions to terminate our association with the MWC. Of course, the PAC would prefer to have their deal first and then the announcement, but they can quite understand that SDSU isn't wanting to give the MWC one more dine over the $15M pound of flesh being demanded. |
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Post by Yoda on Apr 18, 2023 19:17:47 GMT -8
Certainly can't disagree MOW. However, on the plus side, because it is our deadline, that means we have solutions that do not require waiting on Kliavkoff to reach his deadline. Heck remember when SDSU announced it was going to the Big East? Even Hair saw the wisdom in welcoming us back. Say the worst happens, and after announcing our departure, there no invitation to any P5 conference. What do you think the MWC would say to us, welcome back or sorry we'd rather add NMSU or Montana State? Been a while, if ever since we've enjoyed some leverage huh? Yes, we could just tell the MWC we're going Indie before the June 30 deadline to avoid the big increase in exit fees and then if no P5 invite comes about, go back to the MWC as there's no way they'd say no to us. Never say "never" or "no way". Theoretically, the MWC could take your $17 mil (or whatever it is) and then add Oregon State, Washington State and Utah. Your "no way" is premised on the belief that the PAC hangs together. But after you give notice, if the TV deal comes in way low, you don't know what's going to happen to the PAC. I don't think that the MWC would screw you like that -- although this is the second time you've tried to leave. They too want and need a presence in SoCal. I think it is far more likely that they pick up as many PAC schools as they can. I just worry when people speak in absolutes about a situation over which they really have no control. |
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Post by sdsudevil on Apr 18, 2023 20:06:08 GMT -8
Yes, we could just tell the MWC we're going Indie before the June 30 deadline to avoid the big increase in exit fees and then if no P5 invite comes about, go back to the MWC as there's no way they'd say no to us. Never say "never" or "no way". Theoretically, the MWC could take your $17 mil (or whatever it is) and then add Oregon State, Washington State and Utah. Your "no way" is premised on the belief that the PAC hangs together. But after you give notice, if the TV deal comes in way low, you don't know what's going to happen to the PAC. I don't think that the MWC would screw you like that -- although this is the second time you've tried to leave. They too want and need a presence in SoCal. I think it is far more likely that they pick up as many PAC schools as they can. I just worry when people speak in absolutes about a situation over which they really have no control. If MWC takes WSU and not SDSU, with WSU's accomplishments with 8x the media dollars in their coffers, and 10x less population in their region, maybe SDSU wouldn't want to deal with that dumb of a conference office. I think the front office is keenly aware that if a conference mate could go to the Pac12, they would. Literally, any would. To punish one for for doing so is being petty, and against any true business acumen. Good luck with a G5 league with that compass. I don't think they are that way, they respect conference members trying to move up. |
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Post by Yoda on Apr 18, 2023 20:25:31 GMT -8
If MWC takes WSU and not SDSU, with WSU's accomplishments with 8x the media dollars in their coffers, and 10x less population in their region, maybe SDSU wouldn't want to deal with that dumb of a conference office. I think the front office is keenly aware that if a conference mate could go to the Pac12, they would. Literally, any would. To punish one for for doing so is being petty, and against any true business acumen. I don't disagree. That's why I lead with "theoretically" and added "I don't think they'd screw you over like that". I'm just saying "s.hit happens" and absolutist statements are dangerous. Even I don't put Fresno's chances of getting into the Big 12 at greater than 90% (50% if the PAC crashes). And, in case you missed it, I'm a bit of a homer. |
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Post by AzTex on Apr 18, 2023 21:23:04 GMT -8
Certainly can't disagree MOW. However, on the plus side, because it is our deadline, that means we have solutions that do not require waiting on Kliavkoff to reach his deadline. Heck remember when SDSU announced it was going to the Big East? Even Hair saw the wisdom in welcoming us back. Say the worst happens, and after announcing our departure, there no invitation to any P5 conference. What do you think the MWC would say to us, welcome back or sorry we'd rather add NMSU or Montana State? Been a while, if ever since we've enjoyed some leverage huh? Yes, I think you're right. It would be an interesting imbroglio, and challenge, which I'd eschew. Gesundheit. |
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Post by standiego on Apr 18, 2023 22:00:53 GMT -8
Do not think the PAC is slow playing this to hurt SDSU
Rather think they are hoping that the PAC can still get a better TV Deal and hold onto most if not all of the current 10 or at least 8 - if it doesn't there could be major adjustments that will have to be made - Have to add even more MW schools besides SDSU and SMU - maybe we might have Fresno and another school
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Post by SD Johnny on Apr 19, 2023 3:09:22 GMT -8
Even I don't put Fresno's chances of getting into the Big 12 at greater than 90%. This is one of the funnier posts I’ve seen on this board and I’ll probably put this in my signature soon. If I hadn’t read half the stuff you’ve written over the last 9 months I’d think you were just being funny but I’m pretty sure you actually believe this. Man are you in for a let down. |
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