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Post by longtimebooster on Apr 14, 2023 9:51:31 GMT -8
Meanwhile, the odometer on this thread is about to turn over to 400 pages. Thanks, Yoda. And thank YOU longtimebooster for your persistent, percolating, perfect prescience. You forgot "perspicacity." |
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Post by myownwords on Apr 14, 2023 9:58:31 GMT -8
And thank YOU longtimebooster for your persistent, percolating, perfect prescience. You forgot "perspicacity." Damn. It's ALWAYS something |
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Post by 01aztecgrad on Apr 14, 2023 10:22:04 GMT -8
Its comical how the B12 considers itself the better and more stable conference in light of the fact that neither the SEC nor B10 will ever want their schools. That's like saying you chose your wife because she's so undesireable that she will never leave you. Fresno State may fit into the B12 more than I initially thought. The P12 has 2 very desirable schools, Oregon and Washington, yet it is struggling to match the media deal of the B12 - why? Because the rest of the P12 is less desirable (from a media perspective) than the B12. The media deal would absolutely be done by now if this wasn’t true. Right now, with O and W still members, the P12 is valued approximately (someday we’ll see the new media deal and know exactly) the same as the B12. But when O and W leave the P12 will be worth far far less. So, if you love the the P12 just realize that the 2 most valuable P12 properties love the B10, not the P12, and hope to ditch the P12 ASAP. Equal value + high stability > Equal value + low stability B12>P12 The P12 only has two desirable schools, neither of which are among those the Big-12 fans claim will be added at a full share to the Big-12. If the least desirable schools are worth $120m, how much are the others worth? |
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Post by Boise Aztec on Apr 14, 2023 10:25:41 GMT -8
Yes, Love Stings. Or is it Love Stinks? Both |
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Post by Boise Aztec on Apr 14, 2023 10:29:00 GMT -8
Read the tea leaves. This is a done deal. Wicker and De La Torre hinted as such Saturday night. Dan Patrick blurted it out months ago. Wilner recently wrote 70% Chance PAC-12 expands and 99% chance we are one of the teams. The waiting is excruciating. Reading Yoda is excruciating. But this will happen sooner than later. How do you reconcile a less than 70% chance with "this is a done deal"? Asking for a friend. You already know the answer to this question… any good journalist will leave himself an out… just in case… and he has done that… it doesn’t change the fact it is a done deal. |
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Post by obboy13 on Apr 14, 2023 10:52:54 GMT -8
Well Mr. Iamnotatroll is back. Seems those predicting your quick return were completely correct, which leads to the logical question. If as you have just demonstrated, you are not to be believed about taking a break (something you have complete control over), how do you expect us to believe anything you say about realignment, something you have absolutely no control over.  In case you wondered, not laughing with you. Those who predicted a quick return didn't read what I posted. I said specifically that I was not leaving. Only that I was going to tone it down. Asking a one sentence question isn't trolling and it is definitely toning it down. Where did I say you are a troll. As much as you may have earned the sobriquet due to past work here, Mr. Iam notatroll makes reference to your not infrequent denials of trolling. Looks as if I was correct since you did it again. Perhaps, to paraphrase the bard...methinks the yoda doth protest too much. For your ease of reference here's the first line from your post "Okay, I'm going to try and pull away a little for awhile." You did say you weren't leaving, and those who laughed at your post were united that you would not be able to stay away for 'a little while." It's subjective, but I'm sticking to my assessment...you couldn't pull away for very long, and we have no reason to trust your take on realignment. |
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Post by azteclou on Apr 14, 2023 10:56:30 GMT -8
How do you reconcile a less than 70% chance with "this is a done deal"? Asking for a friend. You already know the answer to this question… any good journalist will leave himself an out… just in case… and he has done that… it doesn’t change the fact it is a done deal. So this is exactly what Wilner wrote: Chance of expansion: 70 percent If expansion, chance of SDSU being added: 99 percent According to Yoda math this equals less than 70-percent. I don’t care about percentages I’m just reading the room. I admit there is zero CONCRETE evidence yet that puts us in the Pac-12 but you can also get a murder conviction without a body ever being found. Many have been convicted on circumstantial evidence. For me, based on the preponderance of evidence, I choose to believe that this is a done deal!! |
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Post by myownwords on Apr 14, 2023 11:17:17 GMT -8
You already know the answer to this question… any good journalist will leave himself an out… just in case… and he has done that… it doesn’t change the fact it is a done deal. So this is exactly what Wilner wrote: Chance of expansion: 70 percent If expansion, chance of SDSU being added: 99 percent According to Yoda math this equals less than 70-percent. I don’t care about percentages I’m just reading the room. I admit there is zero CONCRETE evidence yet that puts us in the Pac-12 but you can also get a murder conviction without a body ever being found. Many have been convicted on circumstantial evidence. For me, based on the preponderance of evidence, I choose to believe that this is a done deal!! Another, even simpler "positive" take, that honestly I never considered, until now: Has there been even ONE comment, explicit or oblique, from anyone connected to the PAC, that they would NOT want SDSU, should they expand? |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Apr 14, 2023 11:21:55 GMT -8
So this is exactly what Wilner wrote: Chance of expansion: 70 percent If expansion, chance of SDSU being added: 99 percent According to Yoda math this equals less than 70-percent. I don’t care about percentages I’m just reading the room. I admit there is zero CONCRETE evidence yet that puts us in the Pac-12 but you can also get a murder conviction without a body ever being found. Many have been convicted on circumstantial evidence. For me, based on the preponderance of evidence, I choose to believe that this is a done deal!! Another, even simpler "positive" take, that honestly I never considered, until now: Has there be even ONE comment, explicit or oblique, from anyone connected to the PAC, that they would NOT want SDSU, should they expand? No. For me, the CBS article where the big boosters and the AD were all but saying we were in the PAC with Adela chumming the water at the basketball celebration tells me it is more likely than not they are moving to the PAC. Either this close or being done or JD and Adela are committing career suicide. I can't rule out suicide, but it's not likely. |
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Post by AztecPhil on Apr 14, 2023 11:37:58 GMT -8
Its comical how the B12 considers itself the better and more stable conference in light of the fact that neither the SEC nor B10 will ever want their schools. That's like saying you chose your wife because she's so undesireable that she will never leave you. Fresno State may fit into the B12 more than I initially thought. The P12 has 2 very desirable schools, Oregon and Washington, yet it is struggling to match the media deal of the B12 - why? Because the rest of the P12 is less desirable (from a media perspective) than the B12. The media deal would absolutely be done by now if this wasn’t true. Right now, with O and W still members, the P12 is valued approximately (someday we’ll see the new media deal and know exactly) the same as the B12. But when O and W leave the P12 will be worth far far less. So, if you love the the P12 just realize that the 2 most valuable P12 properties love the B10, not the P12, and hope to ditch the P12 ASAP. Equal value + high stability > Equal value + low stability B12>P12 Where did you get this great information from a big-12 fan blowing off steam or from your attendance at the PAC negotiation table with the broadcasting services? You say the PAC only has two worthwhile teams, now, Oregon and Washington. Now that Texas and Oklahoma are as much a part of the Big12 as USC and UCLA are a part of the PAC, what exactly do they have for stand outs? Oklahoma State and TCU? Maybe the Kansas schools? And I see some rumblings that the Kansas schools are talking with the PAC. So, let me get this straight. The Big 12, which was ten teams loses their two big name schools, so they are down to eight teams. If the Kansas schools leave that will mean six teams. They add in four teams that were group of five last year. And due to this addition, they will be superior to the PAC, which had twelve teams is losing their two elite programs and possibly adding tow group of five programs. Just for fun, let's look at the top schools in winning national athletic championships. (The NCAA national championships started in 1939) | NCAA | Non-NCAA | Total | | National | National | National | | Program | Championships | Championships | Championships | | Stanford | 130 | 18 | 148 | | UCLA | 120 | 20 | 140 | | USC | 111 | 21 | 132 | | Penn State | 53 | 46 | 99 | | Cornell | 5 | 73 | 78 | | Yale | 9 | 69 | 78 | | Navy | 5 | 68 | 73 | | Ohio State | 31 | 42 | 73 | | Princeton | 13 | 57 | 70 | | Texas | 55 | 9 | 64 | | California | 42 | 18 | 60 | | Michigan | 37 | 20 | 57 | | Arizona State | 24 | 32 | 56 | | San Jose State * | 10 | 6 | 16 |
* Added San Jose State because they currently lead the MWC with National titles big time track and field school for a number of years). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NCAA_schools_with_the_most_Division_I_national_championships |
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Post by standiego on Apr 14, 2023 12:21:37 GMT -8
Take a deep breath and wait for Actual Reports of Actual PAC TV deal .
might want to refrain from looking at Deflective news/articles
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Post by Yoda on Apr 14, 2023 12:43:57 GMT -8
I've said several times that I don't unconditionally believe any sources, your's or mine, up to and including the Commissioners. They, and their press lackeys, are managing their narratives and are unconcerned about such trivials as truth.
The PAC Presidents, ADs and press are all about how great things will be and how a TV deal is just around the corner.
The Big12 types are all about "we're not targeting anybody and are just patiently waiting to see if anyone approaches us."
And the podcasters, an incestuous lot if ever there was one, get clicks by quoting each other.
And thus narratives are created and spread. Unfortunately, they are also believed. I have sources telling me the exact opposite of what your sources are telling you. And we both believe.
Time will tell who has the better sources.
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Post by standiego on Apr 14, 2023 15:21:52 GMT -8
Correct until there is an official announcement there will be a lot of misinformation trying to slant things for their preferred conference and school
So buckle up it could take a while
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Post by Den60 on Apr 14, 2023 15:48:46 GMT -8
Who sent them out? There have been numerous rumors that have been patently false with certain schools mentioned directly. The latest involved Colorado in which the Colorado AD said the tweet was untrue and the tweeter pulled the tweet. The B12 hired a PR agency, Endeavor, to sabotage the PAC negotiations. The PAC ADs and Presidents are well within their rights to defend their schools and their conference. One President, Robbins, made a statement of opinion that he thought the deal would be done in a couple of weeks. His school has been one of those most associated with these unfounded rumors. I'm looking forward to SDSU joining the PAC and elevating both our athletics and academics in the process. ASU president Crow says we’re near a deal on 15 Mar: www.si.com/college/stanford/football/pac-12-reportedly-in-final-stages-of-media-rights-dealU of A president Robbins says we’re close to a deal on 15 Mar: theathletic.com/4314850/2023/03/15/arizona-president-robert-robbins-pac-12/UU AD Harlan pledges unity and that the deal will be done soon on 15 Mar: kslsports.com/499654/utah-athletic-director-mark-harlan-tired-of-outside-forces-creating-narratives/JD says that the PAC is close to signing a deal 16 Mar: www.outkick.com/san-diego-state-pac-12-media-deal-jd-wicker-update/Now maybe JD was just parroting, but 3 prominent PAC officials all break their vow of silence on the same day to say that the media deal is imminent, and you believe that it was not coordinated? Just random chance? Where did they all get the erroneous belief that the media deal was all but done? They all didn’t make it up - the only person who could have told multiple high ranking PAC officials that the deal is done is…..Kalashnikov. He was wrong, at best - I’m going to give Kalashnikov the benefit of the doubt and assume that it wasn’t a flat out lie. And then he left them hanging and looking foolish by not making a statement that would explain the error. This is very poor leadership. Explain how a B12 pr firm can sabotage the closed door P12 media deal? Do you really believe that media executives are basing their valuations on tweets? That they are pursuing vague internet quotes to base their business decisions upon? The media executives know exactly how much they value the P12, and Kalashnikov and his staff know exactly what has been proffered by each potential media partner. If some B12 propagandist says espn offered $9m, but the actual offer is $15m, no one involved with the negotiations is going to believe that the offer is $9m - c’mon man. The P12 has proven to have poor leadership that lacks vision and that has, at best, been reactive. Ironically, the same issues that were associated with Craig Thompson and the MWC. It would be nice to be in a conference that has a vision and a proactive commissioner who does crazy things like actually speaking to the media. Crow: Two words in that article: "final stages." That was less than a month ago. Robbins: "close to a deal." Again, less than a month ago. Yada, yada, yada. Again, these remarks are within the last month. This isn't someone buying a new car, this is a deal worth a billion dollars and involves at least two parties new to collegiate athletics. The B1G still hasn't finalized their media deal due to the paperwork and they are dealing with FOX and CBS who have established templates used in such deals. The B12 is doing their work publicly which is why these ADs and presidents are making comments to refute these unfounded rumors. The B12 is desperate. If they don't get PAC schools now, they look to be in some trouble come 2030 when their deal expires. You are not responding to inside information, you are responding to what you are hearing publicly, right? Hell, you dont even know the name of the PAC commissioner, it is KLIAVKOFF. Here is something I came across while playing golf today. It is from Tony Altimore which is worth the read: |
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Post by gocoaztec on Apr 14, 2023 16:37:19 GMT -8
The P12 has 2 very desirable schools, Oregon and Washington, yet it is struggling to match the media deal of the B12 - why? Because the rest of the P12 is less desirable (from a media perspective) than the B12. The media deal would absolutely be done by now if this wasn’t true. Right now, with O and W still members, the P12 is valued approximately (someday we’ll see the new media deal and know exactly) the same as the B12. But when O and W leave the P12 will be worth far far less. So, if you love the the P12 just realize that the 2 most valuable P12 properties love the B10, not the P12, and hope to ditch the P12 ASAP. Equal value + high stability > Equal value + low stability B12>P12 Where did you get this great information from a big-12 fan blowing off steam or from your attendance at the PAC negotiation table with the broadcasting services? You say the PAC only has two worthwhile teams, now, Oregon and Washington. Now that Texas and Oklahoma are as much a part of the Big12 as USC and UCLA are a part of the PAC, what exactly do they have for stand outs? Oklahoma State and TCU? Maybe the Kansas schools? And I see some rumblings that the Kansas schools are talking with the PAC. So, let me get this straight. The Big 12, which was ten teams loses their two big name schools, so they are down to eight teams. If the Kansas schools leave that will mean six teams. They add in four teams that were group of five last year. And due to this addition, they will be superior to the PAC, which had twelve teams is losing their two elite programs and possibly adding tow group of five programs. Just for fun, let's look at the top schools in winning national athletic championships. (The NCAA national championships started in 1939) | NCAA | Non-NCAA | Total | | National | National | National | | Program | Championships | Championships | Championships | | Stanford | 130 | 18 | 148 | | UCLA | 120 | 20 | 140 | | USC | 111 | 21 | 132 | | Penn State | 53 | 46 | 99 | | Cornell | 5 | 73 | 78 | | Yale | 9 | 69 | 78 | | Navy | 5 | 68 | 73 | | Ohio State | 31 | 42 | 73 | | Princeton | 13 | 57 | 70 | | Texas | 55 | 9 | 64 | | California | 42 | 18 | 60 | | Michigan | 37 | 20 | 57 | | Arizona State | 24 | 32 | 56 | | San Jose State * | 10 | 6 | 16 |
* Added San Jose State because they currently lead the MWC with National titles big time track and field school for a number of years). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NCAA_schools_with_the_most_Division_I_national_championshipsStanford is a great school and all Stanford students and alumni should be very proud of their amazing 148 championships. Unfortunately, these accomplishments have little to no impact on Stanford’s value to the media companies. Sorry. |
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Post by gocoaztec on Apr 14, 2023 17:16:38 GMT -8
ASU president Crow says we’re near a deal on 15 Mar: www.si.com/college/stanford/football/pac-12-reportedly-in-final-stages-of-media-rights-dealU of A president Robbins says we’re close to a deal on 15 Mar: theathletic.com/4314850/2023/03/15/arizona-president-robert-robbins-pac-12/UU AD Harlan pledges unity and that the deal will be done soon on 15 Mar: kslsports.com/499654/utah-athletic-director-mark-harlan-tired-of-outside-forces-creating-narratives/JD says that the PAC is close to signing a deal 16 Mar: www.outkick.com/san-diego-state-pac-12-media-deal-jd-wicker-update/Now maybe JD was just parroting, but 3 prominent PAC officials all break their vow of silence on the same day to say that the media deal is imminent, and you believe that it was not coordinated? Just random chance? Where did they all get the erroneous belief that the media deal was all but done? They all didn’t make it up - the only person who could have told multiple high ranking PAC officials that the deal is done is…..Kalashnikov. He was wrong, at best - I’m going to give Kalashnikov the benefit of the doubt and assume that it wasn’t a flat out lie. And then he left them hanging and looking foolish by not making a statement that would explain the error. This is very poor leadership. Explain how a B12 pr firm can sabotage the closed door P12 media deal? Do you really believe that media executives are basing their valuations on tweets? That they are pursuing vague internet quotes to base their business decisions upon? The media executives know exactly how much they value the P12, and Kalashnikov and his staff know exactly what has been proffered by each potential media partner. If some B12 propagandist says espn offered $9m, but the actual offer is $15m, no one involved with the negotiations is going to believe that the offer is $9m - c’mon man. The P12 has proven to have poor leadership that lacks vision and that has, at best, been reactive. Ironically, the same issues that were associated with Craig Thompson and the MWC. It would be nice to be in a conference that has a vision and a proactive commissioner who does crazy things like actually speaking to the media. Crow: Two words in that article: "final stages." That was less than a month ago. Robbins: "close to a deal." Again, less than a month ago. Yada, yada, yada. Again, these remarks are within the last month. This isn't someone buying a new car, this is a deal worth a billion dollars and involves at least two parties new to collegiate athletics. The B1G still hasn't finalized their media deal due to the paperwork and they are dealing with FOX and CBS who have established templates used in such deals. The B12 is doing their work publicly which is why these ADs and presidents are making comments to refute these unfounded rumors. The B12 is desperate. If they don't get PAC schools now, they look to be in some trouble come 2030 when their deal expires. You are not responding to inside information, you are responding to what you are hearing publicly, right? Hell, you dont even know the name of the PAC commissioner, it is KLIAVKOFF. Here is something I came across while playing golf today. It is from Tony Altimore which is worth the read: Do you believe that the P12 media has been “in the final stages” for over a month? And will continue to be “in the final stages” until late spring or early summer, or perhaps even longer? President Robbins said “within the next couple of weeks”, it’s already been more than that and all indications from the P12 itself is that they are currently not close to a deal. So why the attempt to spin the truth - they were told that the P12 had a deal and then Kalashnikov couldn’t deliver. There is no deal, and it’s not even close. Altimore is a P12 shill, but still a worthwhile read to get the P12 booster pov. I’ll go back to his interview with the SoM - In that interview he clearly slipped up when he said that he believes 1 or 2 more teams will be leaving the P12. The other stuff is all a diversion, but he’s good at it. |
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Post by aztecfred on Apr 14, 2023 17:43:50 GMT -8
ASU president Crow says we’re near a deal on 15 Mar: www.si.com/college/stanford/football/pac-12-reportedly-in-final-stages-of-media-rights-dealU of A president Robbins says we’re close to a deal on 15 Mar: theathletic.com/4314850/2023/03/15/arizona-president-robert-robbins-pac-12/UU AD Harlan pledges unity and that the deal will be done soon on 15 Mar: kslsports.com/499654/utah-athletic-director-mark-harlan-tired-of-outside-forces-creating-narratives/JD says that the PAC is close to signing a deal 16 Mar: www.outkick.com/san-diego-state-pac-12-media-deal-jd-wicker-update/Now maybe JD was just parroting, but 3 prominent PAC officials all break their vow of silence on the same day to say that the media deal is imminent, and you believe that it was not coordinated? Just random chance? Where did they all get the erroneous belief that the media deal was all but done? They all didn’t make it up - the only person who could have told multiple high ranking PAC officials that the deal is done is…..Kalashnikov. He was wrong, at best - I’m going to give Kalashnikov the benefit of the doubt and assume that it wasn’t a flat out lie. And then he left them hanging and looking foolish by not making a statement that would explain the error. This is very poor leadership. Explain how a B12 pr firm can sabotage the closed door P12 media deal? Do you really believe that media executives are basing their valuations on tweets? That they are pursuing vague internet quotes to base their business decisions upon? The media executives know exactly how much they value the P12, and Kalashnikov and his staff know exactly what has been proffered by each potential media partner. If some B12 propagandist says espn offered $9m, but the actual offer is $15m, no one involved with the negotiations is going to believe that the offer is $9m - c’mon man. The P12 has proven to have poor leadership that lacks vision and that has, at best, been reactive. Ironically, the same issues that were associated with Craig Thompson and the MWC. It would be nice to be in a conference that has a vision and a proactive commissioner who does crazy things like actually speaking to the media. Crow: Two words in that article: "final stages." That was less than a month ago. Robbins: "close to a deal." Again, less than a month ago. Yada, yada, yada. Again, these remarks are within the last month. This isn't someone buying a new car, this is a deal worth a billion dollars and involves at least two parties new to collegiate athletics. The B1G still hasn't finalized their media deal due to the paperwork and they are dealing with FOX and CBS who have established templates used in such deals. The B12 is doing their work publicly which is why these ADs and presidents are making comments to refute these unfounded rumors. The B12 is desperate. If they don't get PAC schools now, they look to be in some trouble come 2030 when their deal expires. You are not responding to inside information, you are responding to what you are hearing publicly, right? Hell, you dont even know the name of the PAC commissioner, it is KLIAVKOFF. Here is something I came across while playing golf today. It is from Tony Altimore which is worth the read: was that supposed to be Yoda, yada, yada? |
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Post by aztec66 on Apr 14, 2023 17:49:44 GMT -8
I've said several times that I don't unconditionally believe any sources, your's or mine, up to and including the Commissioners. They, and their press lackeys, are managing their narratives and are unconcerned about such trivials as truth. The PAC Presidents, ADs and press are all about how great things will be and how a TV deal is just around the corner. The Big12 types are all about "we're not targeting anybody and are just patiently waiting to see if anyone approaches us." And the podcasters, an incestuous lot if ever there was one, get clicks by quoting each other. And thus narratives are created and spread. Unfortunately, they are also believed. I have sources telling me the exact opposite of what your sources are telling you. And we both believe. Time will tell who has the better sources. Yoda, In so many of your posts you seem to drive home the point that the Aztecs have yet to get an invite to the Pac and if it doesn't happen by 30 June the exit fee doubles to over 30 mil. What do you have to say about Fresno, in spite of the Fresno mayor begging every Big 12 member, Fresno still does not have an invite to the B 12. It seems the same 30 June 30mil fee also apply to Fresno. Are you worried about Freson's timely invite? |
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Post by sdmotohead on Apr 14, 2023 17:51:09 GMT -8
I've said several times that I don't unconditionally believe any sources, your's or mine, up to and including the Commissioners. They, and their press lackeys, are managing their narratives and are unconcerned about such trivials as truth. The PAC Presidents, ADs and press are all about how great things will be and how a TV deal is just around the corner. The Big12 types are all about "we're not targeting anybody and are just patiently waiting to see if anyone approaches us." And the podcasters, an incestuous lot if ever there was one, get clicks by quoting each other. And thus narratives are created and spread. Unfortunately, they are also believed. I have sources telling me the exact opposite of what your sources are telling you. And we both believe. Time will tell who has the better sources. Yoda, In so many of your posts you seem to drive home the point that the Aztecs have yet to get an invite to the Pac and if it doesn't happen by 30 June the exit fee doubles to over 30 mil. What do you have to say about Fresno, in spite of the Fresno mayor begging every Big 12 member, Fresno still does not have an invite to the B 12. It seems the same 30 June 30mil fee also apply to Fresno. Are you worried about Freson's timely invite? There should be a "don't feed the troll" warning on this site. |
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Post by frustratedfan on Apr 14, 2023 18:23:31 GMT -8
they were told that the P12 had a deal and then Kalashnikov couldn’t deliver. Ahhhh...now I know why the Pac 12 is taking so long to get a media deal in place. The Pac 12 is using Kalashnikov, the Russian inventor of the AK-47 assault rifle and who has been dead for several years, to negotiate the media deal. Hard to come to a media deal when your negotiator is dead. Now we know why he couldn't deliver! |
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