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Post by omnipotentaztec on Apr 13, 2023 16:07:53 GMT -8
Its comical how the B12 considers itself the better and more stable conference in light of the fact that neither the SEC nor B10 will ever want their schools. That's like saying you chose your wife because she's so undesireable that she will never leave you. Fresno State may fit into the B12 more than I initially thought. The P12 has 2 very desirable schools, Oregon and Washington, yet it is struggling to match the media deal of the B12 - why? Because the rest of the P12 is less desirable (from a media perspective) than the B12. The media deal would absolutely be done by now if this wasn’t true. Right now, with O and W still members, the P12 is valued approximately (someday we’ll see the new media deal and know exactly) the same as the B12. But when O and W leave the P12 will be worth far far less. So, if you love the the P12 just realize that the 2 most valuable P12 properties love the B10, not the P12, and hope to ditch the P12 ASAP. Equal value + high stability > Equal value + low stability B12>P12 I have no idea why its taking so long for the P12 to finish its media deal and whether its struggling to match the B12 deal. You may, or may not, be right. However, if SDSU can join the P12 while O and W are still involved, that would be well worth the ride, even if it's for as little as 5 years. Who knows, might be 10-15 yrs, might be longer. Cant wait for games against O, W, AZ, AZ State, Utah, Cal, Stanford, etc. Dont forget Stanford, Cal, AZ, ASU, Utah, all have reputations/value on par with the best of the B12. With O and W, its clear that: P12 > B12. |
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Post by myownwords on Apr 13, 2023 16:49:33 GMT -8
SDSU finds itself in a curious position: ALL conferences would love a collops out of SoCal. The B1G already has a grip with USC and UCLA.
The germination--I think-- of the long 10-month constipation is the furcated stress of most in the PAC, who do NOT want SDSU contaminating their "gene" pool, yet realizing that they need us to survive.
In addition, each PAC member probably realizes that with SDSU's trajectory over the past decade, all, accept UW and Oregon, would be surpassed in success and viewership over the next 5 years.
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Post by Boise Aztec on Apr 13, 2023 16:58:15 GMT -8
Its comical how the B12 considers itself the better and more stable conference in light of the fact that neither the SEC nor B10 will ever want their schools. That's like saying you chose your wife because she's so undesireable that she will never leave you. Fresno State may fit into the B12 more than I initially thought. The P12 has 2 very desirable schools, Oregon and Washington, yet it is struggling to match the media deal of the B12 - why? Because the rest of the P12 is less desirable (from a media perspective) than the B12. The media deal would absolutely be done by now if this wasn’t true. Right now, with O and W still members, the P12 is valued approximately (someday we’ll see the new media deal and know exactly) the same as the B12. But when O and W leave the P12 will be worth far far less. So, if you love the the P12 just realize that the 2 most valuable P12 properties love the B10, not the P12, and hope to ditch the P12 ASAP. Equal value + high stability > Equal value + low stability B12>P12 The data just doesn’t back up your claims… and you assume they are struggling… |
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Post by gocoaztec on Apr 13, 2023 17:27:54 GMT -8
The P12 has 2 very desirable schools, Oregon and Washington, yet it is struggling to match the media deal of the B12 - why? Because the rest of the P12 is less desirable (from a media perspective) than the B12. The media deal would absolutely be done by now if this wasn’t true. Right now, with O and W still members, the P12 is valued approximately (someday we’ll see the new media deal and know exactly) the same as the B12. But when O and W leave the P12 will be worth far far less. So, if you love the the P12 just realize that the 2 most valuable P12 properties love the B10, not the P12, and hope to ditch the P12 ASAP. Equal value + high stability > Equal value + low stability B12>P12 The data just doesn’t back up your claims… and you assume they are struggling… When you send out Presidents and AD’s to say that the deal is all but done, and then you can’t back it up - yes, that has to be considered to be struggling. You don’t purposely put your boss(es) in a position where they end up looking foolish. OK, so do you think that the P12 already has a deal that’s equivalent to $32m and 70% linear on major sports networks (B12 deal), but they are just holding out for the $40m pot of gold? |
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Post by Den60 on Apr 13, 2023 17:52:27 GMT -8
The P12 has 2 very desirable schools, Oregon and Washington, yet it is struggling to match the media deal of the B12 - why? Because the rest of the P12 is less desirable (from a media perspective) than the B12. The media deal would absolutely be done by now if this wasn’t true. Right now, with O and W still members, the P12 is valued approximately (someday we’ll see the new media deal and know exactly) the same as the B12. But when O and W leave the P12 will be worth far far less. So, if you love the the P12 just realize that the 2 most valuable P12 properties love the B10, not the P12, and hope to ditch the P12 ASAP. Equal value + high stability > Equal value + low stability B12>P12 The data just doesn’t back up your claims… and you assume they are struggling… It is called "wishful thinking." |
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Post by Den60 on Apr 13, 2023 18:02:18 GMT -8
The data just doesn’t back up your claims… and you assume they are struggling… When you send out Presidents and AD’s to say that the deal is all but done, and then you can’t back it up - yes, that has to be considered to be struggling. You don’t purposely put your boss(es) in a position where they end up looking foolish. OK, so do you think that the P12 already has a deal that’s equivalent to $32m and 70% linear on major sports networks (B12 deal), but they are just holding out for the $40m pot of gold? Who sent them out? There have been numerous rumors that have been patently false with certain schools mentioned directly. The latest involved Colorado in which the Colorado AD said the tweet was untrue and the tweeter pulled the tweet. The B12 hired a PR agency, Endeavor, to sabotage the PAC negotiations. The PAC ADs and Presidents are well within their rights to defend their schools and their conference. One President, Robbins, made a statement of opinion that he thought the deal would be done in a couple of weeks. His school has been one of those most associated with these unfounded rumors. I'm looking forward to SDSU joining the PAC and elevating both our athletics and academics in the process. |
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Post by Boise Aztec on Apr 13, 2023 18:07:00 GMT -8
The data just doesn’t back up your claims… and you assume they are struggling… When you send out Presidents and AD’s to say that the deal is all but done, and then you can’t back it up - yes, that has to be considered to be struggling. You don’t purposely put your boss(es) in a position where they end up looking foolish. OK, so do you think that the P12 already has a deal that’s equivalent to $32m and 70% linear on major sports networks (B12 deal), but they are just holding out for the $40m pot of gold? You are assuming they want a deal just like the B12… I expect them to have a deal that pays about 15% more than the B12, but with closer to 50% to 60% linear… if they are smart they will start the process of moving some content away from linear… I have negotiated a lot of deals… some very big… think more than $100m and some recently that are for leases for retail that are 10 year leases that have a total 10 year value of $1.2m… and some of the leases take 4 weeks and others take 6 months all depending on who you are negotiating with… |
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Post by socalaztecfan on Apr 13, 2023 18:47:32 GMT -8
When you send out Presidents and AD’s to say that the deal is all but done, and then you can’t back it up - yes, that has to be considered to be struggling. You don’t purposely put your boss(es) in a position where they end up looking foolish. OK, so do you think that the P12 already has a deal that’s equivalent to $32m and 70% linear on major sports networks (B12 deal), but they are just holding out for the $40m pot of gold? You are assuming they want a deal just like the B12… I expect them to have a deal that pays about 15% more than the B12, but with closer to 50% to 60% linear… if they are smart they will start the process of moving some content away from linear… I have negotiated a lot of deals… some very big… think more than $100m and some recently that are for leases for retail that are 10 year leases that have a total 10 year value of $1.2m… and some of the leases take 4 weeks and others take 6 months all depending on who you are negotiating with… Interesting to note: The deal that the Big 10 agreed to last August is not inked yet because of the process of long form contracts. Those contracts are with media partners who already have templates. We are dealing with media partners new to the game. Nothing happens overnight. |
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Post by gocoaztec on Apr 13, 2023 20:54:05 GMT -8
When you send out Presidents and AD’s to say that the deal is all but done, and then you can’t back it up - yes, that has to be considered to be struggling. You don’t purposely put your boss(es) in a position where they end up looking foolish. OK, so do you think that the P12 already has a deal that’s equivalent to $32m and 70% linear on major sports networks (B12 deal), but they are just holding out for the $40m pot of gold? Who sent them out? There have been numerous rumors that have been patently false with certain schools mentioned directly. The latest involved Colorado in which the Colorado AD said the tweet was untrue and the tweeter pulled the tweet. The B12 hired a PR agency, Endeavor, to sabotage the PAC negotiations. The PAC ADs and Presidents are well within their rights to defend their schools and their conference. One President, Robbins, made a statement of opinion that he thought the deal would be done in a couple of weeks. His school has been one of those most associated with these unfounded rumors. I'm looking forward to SDSU joining the PAC and elevating both our athletics and academics in the process. ASU president Crow says we’re near a deal on 15 Mar: www.si.com/college/stanford/football/pac-12-reportedly-in-final-stages-of-media-rights-dealU of A president Robbins says we’re close to a deal on 15 Mar: theathletic.com/4314850/2023/03/15/arizona-president-robert-robbins-pac-12/UU AD Harlan pledges unity and that the deal will be done soon on 15 Mar: kslsports.com/499654/utah-athletic-director-mark-harlan-tired-of-outside-forces-creating-narratives/JD says that the PAC is close to signing a deal 16 Mar: www.outkick.com/san-diego-state-pac-12-media-deal-jd-wicker-update/Now maybe JD was just parroting, but 3 prominent PAC officials all break their vow of silence on the same day to say that the media deal is imminent, and you believe that it was not coordinated? Just random chance? Where did they all get the erroneous belief that the media deal was all but done? They all didn’t make it up - the only person who could have told multiple high ranking PAC officials that the deal is done is…..Kalashnikov. He was wrong, at best - I’m going to give Kalashnikov the benefit of the doubt and assume that it wasn’t a flat out lie. And then he left them hanging and looking foolish by not making a statement that would explain the error. This is very poor leadership. Explain how a B12 pr firm can sabotage the closed door P12 media deal? Do you really believe that media executives are basing their valuations on tweets? That they are pursuing vague internet quotes to base their business decisions upon? The media executives know exactly how much they value the P12, and Kalashnikov and his staff know exactly what has been proffered by each potential media partner. If some B12 propagandist says espn offered $9m, but the actual offer is $15m, no one involved with the negotiations is going to believe that the offer is $9m - c’mon man. The P12 has proven to have poor leadership that lacks vision and that has, at best, been reactive. Ironically, the same issues that were associated with Craig Thompson and the MWC. It would be nice to be in a conference that has a vision and a proactive commissioner who does crazy things like actually speaking to the media. |
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Post by aztecsrule72001 on Apr 14, 2023 1:08:07 GMT -8
Who sent them out? There have been numerous rumors that have been patently false with certain schools mentioned directly. The latest involved Colorado in which the Colorado AD said the tweet was untrue and the tweeter pulled the tweet. The B12 hired a PR agency, Endeavor, to sabotage the PAC negotiations. The PAC ADs and Presidents are well within their rights to defend their schools and their conference. One President, Robbins, made a statement of opinion that he thought the deal would be done in a couple of weeks. His school has been one of those most associated with these unfounded rumors. I'm looking forward to SDSU joining the PAC and elevating both our athletics and academics in the process. ASU president Crow says we’re near a deal on 15 Mar: www.si.com/college/stanford/football/pac-12-reportedly-in-final-stages-of-media-rights-dealU of A president Robbins says we’re close to a deal on 15 Mar: theathletic.com/4314850/2023/03/15/arizona-president-robert-robbins-pac-12/UU AD Harlan pledges unity and that the deal will be done soon on 15 Mar: kslsports.com/499654/utah-athletic-director-mark-harlan-tired-of-outside-forces-creating-narratives/JD says that the PAC is close to signing a deal 16 Mar: www.outkick.com/san-diego-state-pac-12-media-deal-jd-wicker-update/Now maybe JD was just parroting, but 3 prominent PAC officials all break their vow of silence on the same day to say that the media deal is imminent, and you believe that it was not coordinated? Just random chance? Where did they all get the erroneous belief that the media deal was all but done? They all didn’t make it up - the only person who could have told multiple high ranking PAC officials that the deal is done is…..Kalashnikov. He was wrong, at best - I’m going to give Kalashnikov the benefit of the doubt and assume that it wasn’t a flat out lie. And then he left them hanging and looking foolish by not making a statement that would explain the error. This is very poor leadership. Explain how a B12 pr firm can sabotage the closed door P12 media deal? Do you really believe that media executives are basing their valuations on tweets? That they are pursuing vague internet quotes to base their business decisions upon? The media executives know exactly how much they value the P12, and Kalashnikov and his staff know exactly what has been proffered by each potential media partner. If some B12 propagandist says espn offered $9m, but the actual offer is $15m, no one involved with the negotiations is going to believe that the offer is $9m - c’mon man.
The P12 has proven to have poor leadership that lacks vision and that has, at best, been reactive. Ironically, the same issues that were associated with Craig Thompson and the MWC. It would be nice to be in a conference that has a vision and a proactive commissioner who does crazy things like actually speaking to the media. That was true about Larry Scott. We don't really know much about Kliavkoff yet other than he wanted to expand before USC/UCLA left but USC nixxed it (turns out he was right). We'll see if he's able to fix up Scott's colossal mess or not. Also say what you want about Craig Thompson but even he wasn't as bad as Larry Scott. Craig was able to outmaneuver BYU when they tried to pull off the project, put an end to the WAC, was able to keep AFA/Colorado St. from leaving and got SDSU and Boise St. to return. |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Apr 14, 2023 6:31:05 GMT -8
SDSU finds itself in a curious position: ALL conferences would love a collops out of SoCal. The B1G already has a grip with USC and UCLA. The germination--I think-- of the long 10-month constipation is the furcated stress of most in the PAC, who do NOT want SDSU contaminating their "gene" pool, yet realizing that they need us to survive. In addition, each PAC member probably realizes that with SDSU's trajectory over the past decade, all, accept UW and Oregon, would be surpassed in success and viewership over the next 5 years. They could rename the conference Strange Bedfellows. |
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Post by myownwords on Apr 14, 2023 6:36:22 GMT -8
SDSU finds itself in a curious position: ALL conferences would love a collops out of SoCal. The B1G already has a grip with USC and UCLA. The germination--I think-- of the long 10-month constipation is the furcated stress of most in the PAC, who do NOT want SDSU contaminating their "gene" pool, yet realizing that they need us to survive. In addition, each PAC member probably realizes that with SDSU's trajectory over the past decade, all, accept UW and Oregon, would be surpassed in success and viewership over the next 5 years. They could rename the conference Strange Bedfellows. I like it. Or maybe, the Kliavkoff Kluster? |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Apr 14, 2023 6:46:21 GMT -8
They could rename the conference Strange Bedfellows. I like it. Or maybe, the Kliavkoff Kluster? Colonel Kliavkoff? I think UW, UU, UO, and CU have no worries about State coming in and competing for talent. WSU and OSU have major concerns, but they need membership numbers up or they are staring at MW 2.0. AZ and ASU have big concerns with recruiting, but they need a socal presence for students and alumni. Stanford couldn't care less about recruiting against the Aztecs but don't want to sully themselves with the Aztecs in the gene pool. CAL has concerns about recruiting and academics. I would estimate that State would get 8 votes with CAL and Stanford voting no, if (and its a big if) there is a vote. |
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Post by azteclou on Apr 14, 2023 7:04:43 GMT -8
I like it. Or maybe, the Kliavkoff Kluster? Colonel Kliavkoff? I think UW, UU, UO, and CU have no worries about State coming in and competing for talent. WSU and OSU have major concerns, but they need membership numbers up or they are staring at MW 2.0. AZ and ASU have big concerns with recruiting, but they need a socal presence for students and alumni. Stanford couldn't care less about recruiting against the Aztecs but don't want to sully themselves with the Aztecs in the gene pool. CAL has concerns about recruiting and academics. I would estimate that State would get 8 votes with CAL and Stanford voting no, if (and its a big if) there is a vote. Read the tea leaves. This is a done deal. Wicker and De La Torre hinted as such Saturday night. Dan Patrick blurted it out months ago. Wilner recently wrote 70% Chance PAC-12 expands and 99% chance we are one of the teams. The waiting is excruciating. Reading Yoda is excruciating. But this will happen sooner than later. |
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Post by Yoda on Apr 14, 2023 8:12:57 GMT -8
Colonel Kliavkoff? I think UW, UU, UO, and CU have no worries about State coming in and competing for talent. WSU and OSU have major concerns, but they need membership numbers up or they are staring at MW 2.0. AZ and ASU have big concerns with recruiting, but they need a socal presence for students and alumni. Stanford couldn't care less about recruiting against the Aztecs but don't want to sully themselves with the Aztecs in the gene pool. CAL has concerns about recruiting and academics. I would estimate that State would get 8 votes with CAL and Stanford voting no, if (and its a big if) there is a vote. Read the tea leaves. This is a done deal. Wicker and De La Torre hinted as such Saturday night. Dan Patrick blurted it out months ago. Wilner recently wrote 70% Chance PAC-12 expands and 99% chance we are one of the teams. The waiting is excruciating. Reading Yoda is excruciating. But this will happen sooner than later. How do you reconcile a less than 70% chance with "this is a done deal"? Asking for a friend. |
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Post by obboy13 on Apr 14, 2023 9:04:41 GMT -8
Read the tea leaves. This is a done deal. Wicker and De La Torre hinted as such Saturday night. Dan Patrick blurted it out months ago. Wilner recently wrote 70% Chance PAC-12 expands and 99% chance we are one of the teams. The waiting is excruciating. Reading Yoda is excruciating. But this will happen sooner than later. How do you reconcile a less than 70% chance with "this is a done deal"? Asking for a friend. Well Mr. Iamnotatroll is back. Seems those predicting your quick return were completely correct, which leads to the logical question. If as you have just demonstrated, you are not to be believed about taking a break (something you have complete control over), how do you expect us to believe anything you say about realignment, something you have absolutely no control over.  In case you wondered, not laughing with you. |
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Post by myownwords on Apr 14, 2023 9:13:23 GMT -8
That's how I chose mine....but she left anyway. Ouch Yes, Love Stings. Or is it Love Stinks? |
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Post by Yoda on Apr 14, 2023 9:19:37 GMT -8
How do you reconcile a less than 70% chance with "this is a done deal"? Asking for a friend. Well Mr. Iamnotatroll is back. Seems those predicting your quick return were completely correct, which leads to the logical question. If as you have just demonstrated, you are not to be believed about taking a break (something you have complete control over), how do you expect us to believe anything you say about realignment, something you have absolutely no control over. In case you wondered, not laughing with you. Those who predicted a quick return didn't read what I posted. I said specifically that I was not leaving. Only that I was going to tone it down. Asking a one sentence question isn't trolling and it is definitely toning it down. |
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Post by longtimebooster on Apr 14, 2023 9:27:43 GMT -8
Meanwhile, the odometer on this thread is about to turn over to 400 pages.
Thanks, Yoda.
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Post by myownwords on Apr 14, 2023 9:33:26 GMT -8
Meanwhile, the odometer on this thread is about to turn over to 400 pages. Thanks, Yoda. And thank YOU longtimebooster for your persistent, percolating, perfect prescience. |
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In case you wondered, not laughing with you.