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Post by Den60 on Apr 13, 2023 5:37:10 GMT -8
This is a rainbows and unicorns board and the loyalists don't like it much when an outsider attempts to inject a dose of reality. The idea that Fresno State might be an equally or even more qualified expansion candidate is outside the realm of possibility and must be refuted. I, and my school, must be ridiculed. While I'm not a troll, I do admit to being a bit of a pain in the butt. I don't just say my piece once and leave but hang around and attempt to debate. With what you posted in the last couple of days and you think you are not a troll is just delusional. The only way you get into the B12 is if we are added, and that the PAC stays intact and does not add SDSU. In the scenario of SDSU to the PAC, who is going to be paired out west with Fresno in a move to the B12, UNLV? No matter where you go you will hear SDSU in conversations of going to PAC or, perhaps, the B12. However, conversations for Fresno in realignment talks are few and far between. Personally, I think such talk is coming from the Fresno president in order to drum up support for a tax increase to fund refurbishing your stadium and other athletic infrastructure. |
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Post by Den60 on Apr 13, 2023 5:44:58 GMT -8
OK, let's be real here. Which school has the better academic standing? Which school has the better Basketball program? Which school is in the larger city? Which school is in the nicer city? The football programs are relatively equal over the last decade (close enough), so that's pretty much a wash. Be honest, in what areas is Fresno State equal or superior to SDSU? Specifics and reasons, please, otherwise you need to stop. -- Apparently, your's does. And that's important too, because when the guys get together to buy consumables and watch the game, the academic standing of the two schools is paramount in their choice of which football game to watch. Which school has the better Basketball program? -- Obviously, your's does. And that's important too, because when the guys get together to buy consumables and watch the game, the quality of the MBB program at the two schools is paramount in their choice of which football game to watch. Which school is in the larger city? -- Your's is. And that's important too, because when the guys get together to buy consumables and watch the game, the size of the city in which the two schools are located is paramount in their choice of which football game to watch. Which school is in the nicer city? -- Apparently, your's is -- And that's important too, because when the guys get together to buy consumables and watch the game, how nice the environment of the city in which the two schools are located is paramount in their choice of which football game to watch. The football programs are relatively equal over the last decade (close enough), so that's pretty much a wash. We've won 7 of the past 10 games. I would think that you'd find that far from "close enough". Oh and we're on a five game winning streak vs. UCLA -- you're 3-25 lifetime. Be honest, in what areas is Fresno State equal or superior to SDSU? Specifics and reasons, please, otherwise you need to stop. I don't really want to do this again right now. Every time I do, people bellyache that I keep saying the same things over and over again. But in short, think fan engagement. We have a bigger television market than you do. Our ratings are better than yours are. You compete with USC and UCLA for eyeballs -- we compete with Stanford and Cal (guffaw). We generate more advertising revenue than you do. Your population within say 50 miles of the stadium is 5, maybe 10 times ours -- yet we outdraw you in attendance. Expansion is about generating TV revenue for the conference and fan engagement, not academic standing or which city is "nicer", is what has the TV folks in our corner. (It doesn't hurt that we are an ag school joining a conference with several ag schools in it.) I'm about 90% certain that we will get into the Big 12 in the next month or so. I think that the PAC is about to lose 2-3 schools and, if they do, then you may or may not be invited to join us. It depends on who else wants in. But your admin screwed up -- they valued academic snobbery over conference stability. And academic snobbery doesn't buy beer. You do understand the prime reason for universities is academics, right? And, once again you claim your market is better than SDSU's but just two days ago you were saying that the only reason we are going to the PAC is because of our market. Geez, man, you can't even be consistent. Oh, which 2-3 schools are leaving the PAC and why? What "sources" are you using as justification for that remark? Link? Just yesterday, the Colorado AD shot down talk of them leaving the PAC. |
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Post by aztecfred on Apr 13, 2023 6:32:20 GMT -8
Okay, I'm going to try and pull away a little for awhile. I'm not leaving but I'm going to tone it down. Clearly few want to really debate this and many incorrectly think me a troll. As I said before, I'll be here to take s.hit if it turns out that I'm wrong and I may sit it out a couple of weeks if it turns out that I am right. There is nothing I could possibly say that wouldn't be construed as trolling, or at least as patronizing. Good luck. And in 3-2-1.... |
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Post by Den60 on Apr 13, 2023 6:48:56 GMT -8
Okay, I'm going to try and pull away a little for awhile. I'm not leaving but I'm going to tone it down. Clearly few want to really debate this and many incorrectly think me a troll. As I said before, I'll be here to take s.hit if it turns out that I'm wrong and I may sit it out a couple of weeks if it turns out that I am right. There is nothing I could possibly say that wouldn't be construed as trolling, or at least as patronizing. Good luck. And in 3-2-1.... What, he did it again? And people on here aren't willing to debate him? I guess he thinks "debating" means agreeing with him. To paraphrase Ahhh-nold, "He'll be back." His leave of absence will likely be measured in hours, if not minutes. |
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Post by azteclou on Apr 13, 2023 7:39:05 GMT -8
This needs its own thread. Please, just make it stop. |
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Post by standiego on Apr 13, 2023 7:55:00 GMT -8
The most important factor now and has been for close to 400 pages is the PAC TV Deal
What is most important to TV / Media are Viewers so the media companies can sell Ads and make their Money
Where education becomes important is The Presidents of Schools get to Vote on the Deals or hopefully Expansion - and Not the AD's
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Apr 13, 2023 8:08:37 GMT -8
This thread hits 772 pages before an announcement is made...  |
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Post by jdaztec on Apr 13, 2023 8:15:35 GMT -8
I think we will top out at about 500 pages. In other words a week or so
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Post by myownwords on Apr 13, 2023 8:22:15 GMT -8
This thread hits 772 pages before an announcement is made... I think it's be 1,000 and THEN we'll start a thread: What's Wrong With The PAC Deal? |
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Post by aztecjeff on Apr 13, 2023 10:25:13 GMT -8
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Post by sdcoug on Apr 13, 2023 10:59:41 GMT -8
Really nothing new there, including the fact he ignored Colorado's AD refuting the report of them looking to go back to the B12. |
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Post by 01aztecgrad on Apr 13, 2023 11:06:02 GMT -8
The charlatans are able to keep going because they have a following that wants to believe. It’s actually worse than Wrestling Fans. What I love about the Big-12 fans is that they believe the PAC-12 as a whole is worth $200-$220m a year, but the four least valuable teams are worth $120m+ a year. They think more highly of the PAC-12 than the PAC-12 fans if they've convinced themselves that every team is above average. |
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Post by standiego on Apr 13, 2023 11:29:18 GMT -8
for those who may know more about the TV Networks or ..
HBO Max or its parent company is rebranding to simply MAX - would that be of any value in some sort of TV Deal for the PAC
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Post by omnipotentaztec on Apr 13, 2023 11:47:41 GMT -8
Its comical how the B12 considers itself the better and more stable conference in light of the fact that neither the SEC nor B10 will ever want their schools. That's like saying you chose your wife because she's so undesireable that she will never leave you.
Fresno State may fit into the B12 more than I initially thought.
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Post by myownwords on Apr 13, 2023 12:44:57 GMT -8
Its comical how the B12 considers itself the better and more stable conference in light of the fact that neither the SEC nor B10 will ever want their schools. That's like saying you chose your wife because she's so undesireable that she will never leave you. Fresno State may fit into the B12 more than I initially thought. That's how I chose mine....but she left anyway. |
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Post by Boise Aztec on Apr 13, 2023 14:06:52 GMT -8
Its comical how the B12 considers itself the better and more stable conference in light of the fact that neither the SEC nor B10 will ever want their schools. That's like saying you chose your wife because she's so undesireable that she will never leave you. Fresno State may fit into the B12 more than I initially thought. That's how I chose mine....but she left anyway. Ouch |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Apr 13, 2023 14:48:26 GMT -8
The charlatans are able to keep going because they have a following that wants to believe. It’s actually worse than Wrestling Fans. What I love about the Big-12 fans is that they believe the PAC-12 as a whole is worth $200-$220m a year, but the four least valuable teams are worth $120m+ a year. They think more highly of the PAC-12 than the PAC-12 fans if they've convinced themselves that every team is above average. Logic is a theory. |
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Post by sdmotohead on Apr 13, 2023 15:28:25 GMT -8
The charlatans are able to keep going because they have a following that wants to believe. It’s actually worse than Wrestling Fans. This knucklehead is as reliable as that MHver3 ding dong. |
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Post by aardvark on Apr 13, 2023 15:37:00 GMT -8
Okay, I'm going to try and pull away a little for awhile. I'm not leaving but I'm going to tone it down. Clearly few want to really debate this and many incorrectly think me a troll. As I said before, I'll be here to take s.hit if it turns out that I'm wrong and I may sit it out a couple of weeks if it turns out that I am right. There is nothing I could possibly say that wouldn't be construed as trolling, or at least as patronizing. Good luck. Sure. I show up in Fresno, and Yoda takes a break. I'm staying overnight in Downtown Fresno. I got here at 3:30--and the Downtown area was dead. All the locals must be glued to this thread. |
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Post by gocoaztec on Apr 13, 2023 15:43:11 GMT -8
Its comical how the B12 considers itself the better and more stable conference in light of the fact that neither the SEC nor B10 will ever want their schools. That's like saying you chose your wife because she's so undesireable that she will never leave you. Fresno State may fit into the B12 more than I initially thought. The P12 has 2 very desirable schools, Oregon and Washington, yet it is struggling to match the media deal of the B12 - why? Because the rest of the P12 is less desirable (from a media perspective) than the B12. The media deal would absolutely be done by now if this wasn’t true. Right now, with O and W still members, the P12 is valued approximately (someday we’ll see the new media deal and know exactly) the same as the B12. But when O and W leave the P12 will be worth far far less. So, if you love the the P12 just realize that the 2 most valuable P12 properties love the B10, not the P12, and hope to ditch the P12 ASAP. Equal value + high stability > Equal value + low stability B12>P12 |
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