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Post by laaztec on Jul 12, 2022 21:04:32 GMT -8
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Post by aztecjeff on Jul 12, 2022 22:40:47 GMT -8
Interesting additional chatter here. I realize it's not a perfect idea because we all value our men's basketball team... but at least people are beginning to talk and think outside the box. I for one think SDSU will get a full invite, not a partial one. At the very least it shows how others are seriously considering San Diego State Football in the Pac-12. A couple weeks ago most in the media laughed at the idea... but not now. Especially after listening to the recent interview of John Canzano by Darrin Smith. Schools like San Diego State may have to take a reduced rate for the first few years in the conference. Utah had to do it when they joined ten years ago. The most important thing is simply getting invited to join the Pac-12... no matter how the invitation comes. SDSU just needs to get its foot in the door. Once that happens, everything else will be worked out over time! It appears things just might be heating up for our Aztecs after all... www.deseret.com/sports/2022/7/12/23203918/pac-12-realignment-utah-football-espn-george-kliavkoff-salt-lake-city |
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Jul 13, 2022 5:02:46 GMT -8
If you have less than 12 then you can't have a conference championship game though right? Which adds value Yes you can. Has that ever been a rule or did I make that up? |
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Post by chris92065 on Jul 13, 2022 5:20:58 GMT -8
Has that ever been a rule or did I make that up? It was a rule, and now it is not. |
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Post by chris92065 on Jul 13, 2022 5:22:46 GMT -8
Can SDSU and Fresno or UNLV justify more than $30 million each in potential television revenue? What about Hawaii? Do they have a shot? Why would the High Priests ascribe 20 or 30 million to us in a new conference when we only justify $4 million now? Simple: Before the pac had usc and ucla to cover Southern California. Now they have no presence in Southern California. By adding sdsu to their conference, they can negotiate a better deal. Also helps with recruiting and things like that. |
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Post by myownwords on Jul 13, 2022 5:30:12 GMT -8
Why would the High Priests ascribe 20 or 30 million to us in a new conference when we only justify $4 million now? Simple: Before the pac had usc and ucla to cover Southern California. Now they have no presence in Southern California. By adding sdsu to their conference, they can negotiate a better deal. Also helps with recruiting and things like that. Logical, that our viewership, and fan interest. would escalate with the better competition. We saw it forever even at the Q when big names showed up, BUT, I was NOT aware that the TV gods, or other school bosses gave us any credit in that calculation. If they now do, then they will certainly require us to "buy in" in some way, to pay for our "good fortune", yes? |
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Post by chris92065 on Jul 13, 2022 5:36:04 GMT -8
Simple: Before the pac had usc and ucla to cover Southern California. Now they have no presence in Southern California. By adding sdsu to their conference, they can negotiate a better deal. Also helps with recruiting and things like that. Logical, that our viewership, and fan interest. would escalate with the better competition. We saw it forever even at the Q when big names showed up, BUT, I was NOT aware that the TV gods, or other school bosses gave us any credit in that calculation. If they now do, then they will certainly require us to "buy in" in some way, to pay for our "good fortune", yes? I suspect that we would be paid on an escalated scale like Utah did in the beginning for a few years. |
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Post by hoobs on Jul 13, 2022 5:40:22 GMT -8
Logical, that our viewership, and fan interest. would escalate with the better competition. We saw it forever even at the Q when big names showed up, BUT, I was NOT aware that the TV gods, or other school bosses gave us any credit in that calculation. If they now do, then they will certainly require us to "buy in" in some way, to pay for our "good fortune", yes? I suspect that we would be paid on an escalated scale like Utah did in the beginning for a few years. Yup, and I would have no issue with that. Making something like a "paltry" $12m/year to start and rising up to the full amount over a few years is a burden SDSU would love to bear... |
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Post by Motown Monty on Jul 13, 2022 5:56:55 GMT -8
Simple: Before the pac had usc and ucla to cover Southern California. Now they have no presence in Southern California. By adding sdsu to their conference, they can negotiate a better deal. Also helps with recruiting and things like that. Logical, that our viewership, and fan interest. would escalate with the better competition. We saw it forever even at the Q when big names showed up, BUT, I was NOT aware that the TV gods, or other school bosses gave us any credit in that calculation. If they now do, then they will certainly require us to "buy in" in some way, to pay for our "good fortune", yes? If, and that’s a big IF, SDSU (or any other non-“Power” school) were to get a PAC-12 invite it would almost certainly include a probationary period where the schools would receive only a partial revenue share for a few years at least. As mentioned the likes of Utah, Maryland and Rutgers entered their current conferences under such conditions. |
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Post by laaztec on Jul 13, 2022 6:29:20 GMT -8
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Post by MontezumaPhil on Jul 13, 2022 6:50:43 GMT -8
"There is no rush." There is when you're my age. |
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Post by hoobs on Jul 13, 2022 6:53:54 GMT -8
Downside to that strategy is the risk that they see the clear need to add SDSU and UNLV... but decide to wait... and then the Big XII goes ahead and "steals" those schools first. There is only ONE school available now that offers direct access to the immensely valuable Southern California media market. How long does the PAC want to risk SDSU deciding it doesn't want to wait, that it likes an offer from the Big XII? |
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Post by laaztec on Jul 13, 2022 6:59:21 GMT -8
Waiting and doing nothing is what got the PAC 12 in this spot in the first place.
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Post by hoobs on Jul 13, 2022 7:01:27 GMT -8
Waiting and doing nothing is what got the PAC 12 in this spot in the first place. Ha ha ha ha, fair point.  |
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Post by laaztec on Jul 13, 2022 7:23:43 GMT -8
Downside to that strategy is the risk that they see the clear need to add SDSU and UNLV... but decide to wait... and then the Big XII goes ahead and "steals" those schools first. There is only ONE school available now that offers direct access to the immensely valuable Southern California media market. How long does the PAC want to risk SDSU deciding it doesn't want to wait, that it likes an offer from the Big XII? If I am the Big 12 I grab SDSU now and screw the Pac 12 but I guess it's really up to ESPN. |
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Post by aztucho on Jul 13, 2022 7:27:07 GMT -8
Waiting and doing nothing is what got the PAC 12 in this spot in the first place. The only thing the Pac 12 could have done was to add Texas and Oklahoma, and when that ship sailed, they no longer can do anything at all that will bring them the value they want. Waiting two years ago was a dumb idea, but today it is their only option. Adding teams like SDSU, SMU, UNLV who are all making around $5M in TV revenue to a $30M TV revenue conference does not make financial sense. We will only get an invite if another team leaves and the PAC TV contract drops because of it. |
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Post by aztucho on Jul 13, 2022 7:28:59 GMT -8
Downside to that strategy is the risk that they see the clear need to add SDSU and UNLV... but decide to wait... and then the Big XII goes ahead and "steals" those schools first. There is only ONE school available now that offers direct access to the immensely valuable Southern California media market. How long does the PAC want to risk SDSU deciding it doesn't want to wait, that it likes an offer from the Big XII? If I am the Big 12 I grab SDSU now and screw the Pac 12 but I guess it's really up to ESPN. 100% This. The Big 12 would screw the Pac 12 big time by this move, and give them no real backup plan. |
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Post by docmm on Jul 13, 2022 7:35:46 GMT -8
Yesterday was the BIG 12's Media Day and their brand-new commissioner, Brett Yormark, said the league was "open for business". It was confirmed that they're talking to 6 Pac 12 schools; both Az schools, Col, Utah, Oregon and UW. That would give them 18 schools, blow-up the Pac12 and the MWC would probably have the Pac 12's red-headed step children WS and OSU, come into the fold.
I think/hope Oregon and UW will hold out for the Big10, which gives us a much better shot at the Big 12. That's the conference I want anyway. Good football and very good basketball. We could go 17-13 in that BB conference and get a #8 seed in MM.
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Post by chris92065 on Jul 13, 2022 7:39:02 GMT -8
Waiting and doing nothing is what got the PAC 12 in this spot in the first place. The only thing the Pac 12 could have done was to add Texas and Oklahoma, and when that ship sailed, they no longer can do anything at all that will bring them the value they want. Waiting two years ago was a dumb idea, but today it is their only option. Adding teams like SDSU, SMU, UNLV who are all making around $5M in TV revenue to a $30M TV revenue conference does not make financial sense. We will only get an invite if another team leaves and the PAC TV contract drops because of it. if the pac 12 does nothing, then their conference is finished. Period. |
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Post by aztucho on Jul 13, 2022 7:41:58 GMT -8
The only thing the Pac 12 could have done was to add Texas and Oklahoma, and when that ship sailed, they no longer can do anything at all that will bring them the value they want. Waiting two years ago was a dumb idea, but today it is their only option. Adding teams like SDSU, SMU, UNLV who are all making around $5M in TV revenue to a $30M TV revenue conference does not make financial sense. We will only get an invite if another team leaves and the PAC TV contract drops because of it. if the pac 12 does nothing, then their conference is finished. Period. Oh I know, their arrogance towards us is going to be their downfall. They aren't going to change and they are going to be punished because of it. |
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