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Post by chris92065 on Jul 13, 2022 7:44:32 GMT -8
The only thing the Pac 12 could have done was to add Texas and Oklahoma, and when that ship sailed, they no longer can do anything at all that will bring them the value they want. Waiting two years ago was a dumb idea, but today it is their only option. Adding teams like SDSU, SMU, UNLV who are all making around $5M in TV revenue to a $30M TV revenue conference does not make financial sense. We will only get an invite if another team leaves and the PAC TV contract drops because of it. if the pac 12 does nothing, then their conference is finished. Period. This is what the pac should be doing. Talking to houston, tcu, smu and sdsu to add to their conference. This would bring the most bang for the buck. |
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Post by standiego on Jul 13, 2022 8:09:17 GMT -8
10 team conference - did the Big 12 last year do a Champs Game between the top 2 teams - Could the PAC do the same
Thought there was a report last evening guessing that the PAC was talking to ESPN - who would like to have a West Coast Presence and would take over the PAC Network
Also there was word that the Fox Family would be strongly involved in bidding on the BIG's TV rights
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Post by hoobs on Jul 13, 2022 8:23:12 GMT -8
if the pac 12 does nothing, then their conference is finished. Period. This is what the pac should be doing. Talking to houston, tcu, smu and sdsu to add to their conference. This would bring the most bang for the buck. SDSU, UNLV, Houston, and TCU would be the slam dunk for the PAC. But they could struggle to pry away Houston & TCU without a new, strong media deal that's iron clad to lock everyone in for 10 years. TCU & SMU are both in Dallas/Ft Worth, you don't want or need both. |
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Post by hoobs on Jul 13, 2022 8:28:03 GMT -8
Waiting and doing nothing is what got the PAC 12 in this spot in the first place. The only thing the Pac 12 could have done was to add Texas and Oklahoma, and when that ship sailed, they no longer can do anything at all that will bring them the value they want. Waiting two years ago was a dumb idea, but today it is their only option. Adding teams like SDSU, SMU, UNLV who are all making around $5M in TV revenue to a $30M TV revenue conference does not make financial sense. We will only get an invite if another team leaves and the PAC TV contract drops because of it. You mean besides UCLA and USC that will absolutely decrease the (future) contract payout? So IMO this has already happened and the PAC is excruciatingly vulnerable to totally losing the SoCal market entirely, "forever", if the BigXII grabs SDSU. That would inevitably be the death-knell for the PAC as within a year or two the AZ schools and maybe either/both Utah & Colorado would ship off to the BigXII and Oregon & Washington to the B1G (probably). |
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Post by fowl on Jul 13, 2022 8:32:38 GMT -8
I suspect that we would be paid on an escalated scale like Utah did in the beginning for a few years. Yup, and I would have no issue with that. Making something like a "paltry" $12m/year to start and rising up to the full amount over a few years is a burden SDSU would love to bear... Even with a smaller share, our AD budget would likely exceed that of Wazzu and OSU at least. Granted though the cost of doing business in SD is about 2x that of Corvallis or Pullman. |
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Post by aztucho on Jul 13, 2022 8:33:27 GMT -8
The only thing the Pac 12 could have done was to add Texas and Oklahoma, and when that ship sailed, they no longer can do anything at all that will bring them the value they want. Waiting two years ago was a dumb idea, but today it is their only option. Adding teams like SDSU, SMU, UNLV who are all making around $5M in TV revenue to a $30M TV revenue conference does not make financial sense. We will only get an invite if another team leaves and the PAC TV contract drops because of it. You mean besides UCLA and USC that will absolutely decrease the (future) contract payout? So IMO this has already happened and the PAC is excruciatingly vulnerable to totally losing the SoCal market entirely, "forever", if the BigXII grabs SDSU. That would inevitably be the death-knell for the PAC as within a year or two the AZ schools and maybe either/both Utah & Colorado would ship off to the BigXII and Oregon & Washington to the B1G (probably). I am not arguing with you. But until the revenue drops, or they have an idea as to what it will be, they will continue to "cut off their nose to spite their face" in regards to SDSU. |
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Post by hoobs on Jul 13, 2022 8:53:08 GMT -8
You mean besides UCLA and USC that will absolutely decrease the (future) contract payout? So IMO this has already happened and the PAC is excruciatingly vulnerable to totally losing the SoCal market entirely, "forever", if the BigXII grabs SDSU. That would inevitably be the death-knell for the PAC as within a year or two the AZ schools and maybe either/both Utah & Colorado would ship off to the BigXII and Oregon & Washington to the B1G (probably). I am not arguing with you. But until the revenue drops, or they have an idea as to what it will be, they will continue to "cut off their nose to spite their face" in regards to SDSU. Fair enough, I think we all agree that the PAC has an opportunity here to be proactive to help themselves, but history would suggest that they will fail to do so... |
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Post by standiego on Jul 13, 2022 8:57:27 GMT -8
Would guess that If the PAC could add Houston and SDSU would assist the Network's thoughts of the PAC
Houston has said ( but it was pre exodus of USC and UCLA ) that it would listen to an offer from the PAC
Would not expect much talk about PAC expansion until it meets with TV Networks to get actual money it would receive - in addition actual TV Networks tell them IF they would get more money by adding teams . TV Networks could be the ones saying what schools they would suggest the PAC add If any .
If TV tells them there is no extra money for adding schools then remember what ever the Money deal the PAC would get ( most will guess that it will be a lot less then in previous years )- If you add schools each school would most likely get a smaller %
Money will drive expansion for any conference
I have no clue IF TV could find a way of expanding TV watching into TJ but if they could that would help Viewers for SDSU
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Post by myownwords on Jul 13, 2022 8:58:08 GMT -8
I am not arguing with you. But until the revenue drops, or they have an idea as to what it will be, they will continue to "cut off their nose to spite their face" in regards to SDSU. Fair enough, I think we all agree that the PAC has an opportunity here to be proactive to help themselves, but history would suggest that they will fail to do so... I do think that the Pac 10 functionaries hold antipathy toward SDSU that is pathological and not easily quantified. They will react counterintuitively to avoid the obvious. |
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Post by campanile on Jul 13, 2022 9:10:58 GMT -8
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Post by chris92065 on Jul 13, 2022 9:25:10 GMT -8
the article is from yesterday and the tv execs don't think like the dumb ass news. |
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Post by kozy on Jul 13, 2022 9:33:18 GMT -8
The same problem that has hampered SDSU through the years, being geographically limited, now hamper the P12. So sorry. Enjoy Texas barbecue. No more suchi.
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Post by chris92065 on Jul 13, 2022 9:48:56 GMT -8
The problem with the pac 12 is that they don’t realize they stopped being relevant the second Vince young scored the winning touchdown on 4th and goal to win the championship.
Pete Carroll figured it out and left.
Now usc and ucla figured it out and left.
We shall see if the rest have figured it out.
The only way the pac survives is through aggressive expansion.
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Post by jdaztec on Jul 13, 2022 10:01:17 GMT -8
I wold hope The PAC12 would be aggressive with expansion and SDSU is logically the first add but....they have historically suffered from over analysis, exaggerated self worth and lack of action. We shall see.Maybe this time things will be different.
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Post by azdick on Jul 13, 2022 10:20:04 GMT -8
[quote author=" standiego" source="/post/1255992/ thread" timestamp="1657731447"]Would guess that If the PAC could add Houston and SDSU would assist the Network's thoughts of the PAC Houston has said ( but it was pre exodus of USC and UCLA ) that it would listen to an offer from the PAC Would not expect much talk about PAC expansion until it meets with TV Networks to get actual money it would receive - in addition actual TV Networks tell them IF they would get more money by adding teams . TV Networks could be the ones saying what schools they would suggest the PAC add If any . If TV tells them there is no extra money for adding schools then remember what ever the Money deal the PAC would get ( most will guess that it will be a lot less then in previous years )- If you add schools each school would most likely get a smaller % Money will drive expansion for any conference I have no clue IF TV could find a way of expanding TV watching into TJ but if they could that would help Viewers for SDSU [/quote] I have wondered the same thing, but doesn’t TJ already get local signals fro SD? And shouldn’t that be taken into consideration when de terming the size of our market? I believe SD is now considered the 27th ranked market, but that ignores the TJ market completely. |
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Jul 13, 2022 10:28:17 GMT -8
[quote author=" standiego" source="/post/1255992/ thread" timestamp="1657731447"]Would guess that If the PAC could add Houston and SDSU would assist the Network's thoughts of the PAC Houston has said ( but it was pre exodus of USC and UCLA ) that it would listen to an offer from the PAC Would not expect much talk about PAC expansion until it meets with TV Networks to get actual money it would receive - in addition actual TV Networks tell them IF they would get more money by adding teams . TV Networks could be the ones saying what schools they would suggest the PAC add If any . If TV tells them there is no extra money for adding schools then remember what ever the Money deal the PAC would get ( most will guess that it will be a lot less then in previous years )- If you add schools each school would most likely get a smaller % Money will drive expansion for any conference I have no clue IF TV could find a way of expanding TV watching into TJ but if they could that would help Viewers for SDSU I have wondered the same thing, but doesn’t TJ already get local signals fro SD? And shouldn’t that be taken into consideration when de terming the size of our market? I believe SD is now considered the 27th ranked market, but that ignores the TJ market completely. [/quote] I wonder if Dbauer could shed light on TJ. Is is metered and do the Aztecs receive any viewership. |
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Post by sdcoug on Jul 13, 2022 11:20:50 GMT -8
I am not arguing with you. But until the revenue drops, or they have an idea as to what it will be, they will continue to "cut off their nose to spite their face" in regards to SDSU. Fair enough, I think we all agree that the PAC has an opportunity here to be proactive to help themselves, but history would suggest that they will fail to do so... "History" has never included no So-Cal schools in the P12. To base expected decisions now on the past is irrelevant since the entire landscape has changed. |
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Post by docmm on Jul 13, 2022 11:32:55 GMT -8
This may anger some of you but when I see this link, I see: Deseret News=LDS=BYU And then I read everything through that lens. One of the article's speculations is that maybe the Pac 12 gets schools like St. Mary's and Gonzaga for Basketball only and then have schools like SDSU, Fresno, Boise an UNLV as football only. Sorry but that makes about as much sense to me as "Golden Plates" buried in upstate New York does. |
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Post by standiego on Jul 13, 2022 11:37:30 GMT -8
The PAC has had a very arrogant attitude even thinking its PAC Network was better then the one ESPN was going to establish for them
Houston after a few years as a Power Conference school would easily jump ahead of almost all of the PAC Lite Leftovers
Think the same could also happen If SDSU was elevated to a Power School
While many try to hide using the Education Levels...... and other fluff stuff - this is a Business Decision and if the PAC does not follow what the TV Networks tell them - they will become either part of the Big 12 or considered one of the lower Power Conferences . Little doubt that if SDSU received the same money and status it would out recruit numerous current PAC schools .
As mentioned if our AD is mentioning to the TV Networks the thoughts of getting a good section of TJ / and South Bay into the TV Market then SDSU's numbers would really move up
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Post by hoobs on Jul 13, 2022 12:08:21 GMT -8
Fair enough, I think we all agree that the PAC has an opportunity here to be proactive to help themselves, but history would suggest that they will fail to do so... "History" has never included no So-Cal schools in the P12. To base expected decisions now on the past is irrelevant since the entire landscape has changed. My logical brain totally agrees My cynical brain says the PAC leadership is likely to totally mess this up |
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