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Post by aztucho on Jul 12, 2022 12:05:54 GMT -8
Staying at 10 teams is only dangerous to the lower level teams that don't have any where else they want to go.
Let me ask you a question, do you care if the MW has 10 or 12 teams? I sure as hell don't.
SDSU is the best all around school in the MW and any team you take out of the conference just gives us one less mouth to feed.
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Jul 12, 2022 12:32:58 GMT -8
If you have less than 12 then you can't have a conference championship game though right? Which adds value
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Post by MontezumaPhil on Jul 12, 2022 12:38:27 GMT -8
I assume this means the rumored Big 12-Pac 12 merger is off, at least for the next few years, and the two conferences are therefore rivals again.
If so, the Big 12 should accept that for at least the time being it will not get its hands on the Four Corners schools. It also should see SDSU and UNLV hanging there as potential lifelines for the Pac in the event the Big Ten comes to steal more schools later, which it probably will.
So if I’m Yormark I make an early splash by locking up the two far-west schools with the most media value to both conferences, and I do it soon.
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Post by myownwords on Jul 12, 2022 13:05:18 GMT -8
I assume this means the rumored Big 12-Pac 12 merger is off, at least for the next few years, and the two conferences are therefore rivals again. If so, the Big 12 should accept that for at least the time being it will not get its hands on the Four Corners schools. It also should see SDSU and UNLV hanging there as potential lifelines for the Pac in the event the Big Ten comes to steal more schools later, which it probably will. So if I’m Yormark I make an early splash by locking up the two far-west schools with the most media value to both conferences, and I do it soon. I wouldn't make the assumption that the Big 12 is as indolent and obsequious as it's cousin the Pac 10. |
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Post by fowl on Jul 12, 2022 13:38:54 GMT -8
If you have less than 12 then you can't have a conference championship game though right? Which adds value Yes you can. |
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Post by sdsuball on Jul 12, 2022 13:58:51 GMT -8
I am cautiously confident that the PAC will at minimum add SDSU and either Fresno State, SMU or UNLV to get to at least 12. Staying at 10 is too dangerous. You lose one or two teams, and you are down below 10 which puts you at risk. I personally think they will try to get to 14 since even 10 it is risky which is where they are now and everyone is panicking. If they go to 14, I would expect them to add SDSU, Fresno St; and some combo of UNLV, Boise State or SMU. I am thinking they add SDSU and Fresno St for Socal and the Valley, SMU to get into BIG-12 country and to increase TV households, then the decision on UNLV or Boise comes down to what is more important, a high level football school with limited TV market size or an important and up and coming TV market with a solid basketball history but a poor football team and following. I'm not sure that they go to 14 - that would significantly water down their media deal. 12 makes more sense - SDSU + Fresno, UNLV or SMU (or even Houston if they can convince them to go to the PAC instead of the BIG12). 14 only makes sense from a travel partner perspective. What would suck is if they went for Houston + SMU to compete head to head with the BIG12 in Texas. But if they did it would be a no brainer for the BIG12 to pick us up at that point. |
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Post by greysuit on Jul 12, 2022 14:07:31 GMT -8
I am cautiously confident that the PAC will at minimum add SDSU and either Fresno State, SMU or UNLV to get to at least 12. Staying at 10 is too dangerous. You lose one or two teams, and you are down below 10 which puts you at risk. I personally think they will try to get to 14 since even 10 it is risky which is where they are now and everyone is panicking. If they go to 14, I would expect them to add SDSU, Fresno St; and some combo of UNLV, Boise State or SMU. I am thinking they add SDSU and Fresno St for Socal and the Valley, SMU to get into BIG-12 country and to increase TV households, then the decision on UNLV or Boise comes down to what is more important, a high level football school with limited TV market size or an important and up and coming TV market with a solid basketball history but a poor football team and following. I'm not sure that they go to 14 - that would significantly water down their media deal. 12 makes more sense - SDSU + Fresno, UNLV or SMU (or even Houston if they can convince them to go to the PAC instead of the BIG12) Fresno brings nothing to the table as far as a media deal goes. It's not about winning, it's not about eyes on the game, it's about how many cable and streaming packages they can get the network in. It will either be SDSU & SMU or SDSU & UNLV. The Pac-12 wants nothing to do with any MWC schools, the only way we get added is if the TV execs want it. |
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Post by aztecalum on Jul 12, 2022 14:11:53 GMT -8
I could see them going to 12 - adding SDSU + SMU/UNLV or FSU. Having two divisions with a championship game in LV and chance for birth in CFP is attractive. 10 team conference would lessen attractiveness to CFP. It will depend on ESPN, does ESPN pay enough to make it attractive to add 2 teams without the other 10 taking losing too much revenue?
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Post by laaztec on Jul 12, 2022 14:34:10 GMT -8
If the PAC 12 decides to expand I think the list is:
1. SDSU
2. SMU
3. Fresno.
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Post by awordfromwilliam on Jul 12, 2022 14:46:53 GMT -8
I'm not sure that they go to 14 - that would significantly water down their media deal. 12 makes more sense - SDSU + Fresno, UNLV or SMU (or even Houston if they can convince them to go to the PAC instead of the BIG12) Fresno brings nothing to the table as far as a media deal goes. It's not about winning, it's not about eyes on the game, it's about how many cable and streaming packages they can get the network in. It will either be SDSU & SMU or SDSU & UNLV. The Pac-12 wants nothing to do with any MWC schools, the only way we get added is if the TV execs want it. I just don't see how Houston would leave the Big 12 for the Pac-Whatever. As for SMU, the Mustangs may be nervous about the AAC, but moving to the West Coast without a partner would seem to be a big gamble. |
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Post by chris92065 on Jul 12, 2022 15:08:07 GMT -8
If the PAC 12 decides to expand I think the list is: 1. SDSU 2. SMU 3. Fresno. Much more optimistic after listening to the interview 1. Networks value number of households in a market which makes San Diego coveted with the departure of usc and ucla. 2. SDSU can validate an annual tv revenue of 30-40 because of number of households. 3. Fresno + Sdsu = asu and au as far market value goes. 4. Oregon has no shot to get in big 10 because the number of households is only 1.1 million. |
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Post by MontezumaPhil on Jul 12, 2022 15:13:11 GMT -8
If the PAC 12 decides to expand I think the list is: 1. SDSU 2. SMU 3. Fresno. 1. Networks value number of households in a market which makes San Diego coveted with the departure of usc and ucla. 2. SDSU can validate an annual tv revenue of 30-40 because of number of households. 3. Fresno + Sdsu = asu and au as far market value goes. 4. Oregon has no shot to get in big 10 because the number of households is only 1.1 million. Same here. This interview gave me reason to believe the Pac 12 will see more value in us than I once thought they would. |
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Post by RiffelBooks on Jul 12, 2022 15:14:17 GMT -8
1. The Pac-not12 needs to expand from 10 to provide the TV networks with inventory. They're currently involved with ESPN and Fox and have their own network. That means they have to provide at least three games per week to ESPN and Fox (one for Thursday or Friday) and two for Saturday. They also need two games for the Pac-12 Network. That will work for some Saturdays, but not when schools have a bye week or a late non-conference matchup (like Stanford at Notre Dame).
2. The Big 12 received a waiver from the NCAA to play a championship game with only 10 teams, so perhaps the Pac-not12 could do the same. Also, IIRC, they might be one of the leagues doing away with divisions and having the best two teams play for the title.
3. I'm sure they tried to lure some Big 12 teams to join them but failed since the Big 12 is a stronger, richer conference.
4. With all of the above, I think the Pac-willbe12again will expand with SDSU and one other school that will promise to work toward R1 status. I can't see them inviting a school with a religious affiliation. I still think UNLV has the highest upside of any of the other possibilities, but they sure haven't done much with the resources currently at hand.
5. Time is currently on their side, since USC and UCLA don't leave for two years. It could take awhile for the invitation to come.
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Post by aardvark on Jul 12, 2022 15:18:50 GMT -8
UNLV > FSU
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Post by SuperAztec on Jul 12, 2022 15:56:36 GMT -8
This has probably been stated more than once, but you have to factor in the teams we will play if we move to the Pac-12 (or the Big 12)
IMO, the casual fan will have much more interest and tune in on a more regular basis if we play in the Pac or Big 12 - plus SDSU is a great road-trip and with the new digs it's even better.
We will get a boost in TV ratings in year 1-2 in the Pac and Big-12 for sure and....if we win, lookout. The people in the know have to see the potential in SDSU.
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Post by RiffelBooks on Jul 12, 2022 16:30:49 GMT -8
This has probably been stated more than once, but you have to factor in the teams we will play if we move to the Pac-12 (or the Big 12) IMO, the casual fan will have much more interest and tune in on a more regular basis if we play in the Pac or Big 12 - plus SDSU is a great road-trip and with the new digs it's even better. We will get a boost in TV ratings in year 1-2 in the Pac and Big-12 for sure and....if we win, lookout. The people in the know have to see the potential in SDSU. This is why I've said in previous posts that you don't necessarily judge us on today, but project into the future. You can't compare our TV ratings with other schools when we're stuck on CBS Sports Network all the time. When we're on legitimate outlets against name opponents, we'll rate pretty well. The local casual fan you refer to is a much different animal than when I arrived at SDSU back in the Stone Age. San Diego was in the midst of changing over from a provincial town where local college sports meant something into a major cosmopolitan city with international appeal. Transplants didn't care about the local college, especially when we were playing the likes of UTEP and New Mexico. Replace those opponents even with the likes of Oregon State and Cal, and the interest here will be much higher. |
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Post by chris92065 on Jul 12, 2022 16:56:25 GMT -8
This has probably been stated more than once, but you have to factor in the teams we will play if we move to the Pac-12 (or the Big 12) IMO, the casual fan will have much more interest and tune in on a more regular basis if we play in the Pac or Big 12 - plus SDSU is a great road-trip and with the new digs it's even better. We will get a boost in TV ratings in year 1-2 in the Pac and Big-12 for sure and....if we win, lookout. The people in the know have to see the potential in SDSU. This is why I've said in previous posts that you don't necessarily judge us on today, but project into the future. You can't compare our TV ratings with other schools when we're stuck on CBS Sports Network all the time. When we're on legitimate outlets against name opponents, we'll rate pretty well. The local casual fan you refer to is a much different animal than when I arrived at SDSU back in the Stone Age. San Diego was in the midst of changing over from a provincial town where local college sports meant something into a major cosmopolitan city with international appeal. Transplants didn't care about the local college, especially when we were playing the likes of UTEP and New Mexico. Replace those opponents even with the likes of Oregon State and Cal, and the interest here will be much higher. That’s what the dude interviewed by Darren smith said. |
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Post by sdsuball on Jul 12, 2022 18:08:28 GMT -8
3. I'm sure they tried to lure some Big 12 teams to join them but failed since the Big 12 is a stronger, richer conference.Provide evidence to back that claim up... |
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Post by campanile on Jul 12, 2022 20:13:26 GMT -8
Can SDSU and Fresno or UNLV justify more than $30 million each in potential television revenue? What about Hawaii? Do they have a shot?
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Post by myownwords on Jul 12, 2022 20:23:24 GMT -8
Can SDSU and Fresno or UNLV justify more than $30 million each in potential television revenue? What about Hawaii? Do they have a shot? Why would the High Priests ascribe 20 or 30 million to us in a new conference when we only justify $4 million now? |
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