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Post by Old School on Jul 6, 2022 12:06:23 GMT -8
Colorado, reported by @dennisdoddcbs to be 1 of 6 #Pac12 schools mentioned to be targeted by #Big12, releases a statement in wake of #Pac12 opening up TV rights negotiations and says Buffs are “committed to the Pac-12 Conference.”  Oldie Out |
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Post by sdcoug on Jul 6, 2022 12:16:32 GMT -8
Colorado, reported by @dennisdoddcbs to be 1 of 6 #Pac12 schools mentioned to be targeted by #Big12, releases a statement in wake of #Pac12 opening up TV rights negotiations and says Buffs are “committed to the Pac-12 Conference.” Oldie Out Yep, he released that yesterday yet their Board of Regents had an emergency executive board meeting last night seeking legal advice & to get updates about the P12. Obviously nothing concrete happened, or at least no actions were taken (& none of the other 3 schools had a BOR meeting). Believe ASU's & Utah's AD's also released the same statement. I'd expect all 4 to have discussions with the B12, but I wouldn't expect any of them to act on anything until the P12 presents their projected Media Contract # to them as well. And I also doubt they do anything until they see what happens to UO & UW. |
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Post by myownwords on Jul 6, 2022 12:27:42 GMT -8
Not sure i buy this, but he doubles down on this with another tweet. In short, we are screwed. Arthritis onset, fast spreading over the next few years, bringing louder and louder crepitations and ossification to the program and athletic department, leaving only gossamer visions shared with us about Big Time Football, by whispers and memories. |
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Post by laaztec on Jul 7, 2022 7:24:07 GMT -8
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Post by jibron on Jul 7, 2022 8:11:43 GMT -8
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Post by chris92065 on Jul 7, 2022 8:39:22 GMT -8
I could give a f x x x what that clown thompson has to say. Dude has f****d sdsu every chance he can get. |
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Post by soccer94 on Jul 7, 2022 10:00:40 GMT -8
There is a lot of talk from certain pundits about how potential teams coming into the conference need to meet a certain financial threshold to meet the entry requirements of the other institutions and the conference as a whole. In particular, there has been discussion about how each team needs to bring an added value of $25 to $30 million, and that San Diego State or Boise State may only be in the range of $3 to $5 million. In my opinion, the people making these statements are failing to look at a number of factors and are not seeing the big picture. For starters, the value of a group of teams or conference is more than the sum of the value of the individual teams. I don't believe that individually, Oregon State, Washington State, Arizona State, Cal, Stanford, Utah, Colorado or Arizona is worth $25 million to $30 million per season as an independent. But when you bring them all together and combine them with Oregon and Washington, they are at least $300 million plus. I think the so called 4 corners schools have discussions with the BIG 12 simply as leverage against Oregon and Washington so that the pacific northwest schools don't hold all the cards and try to take too much, but do not seriously want to leave. Adding G5 teams like San Diego State, Boise State, Fresno State, SMU or UNLV adds to the conference TV footprint, it adds to the recruiting footprint, SDSU and Fresno State in particular help regain some foothold in the LA market where there are a lot of transplants from those two areas both for recruiting and TV and both schools are nearby. With the LA teams leaving the PAC 12, the conferences TV market footprint drops from 19.3 million households to 12.4 million. You could make an argument that a San Diego State/Fresno State combo plus SMU and UNLV could get the PAC back into the LA market, plus brings back San Diego, the Central Valley, Dallas and/or Las Vegas which would add approximately 15 million and get the PAC over 25 million which would be comparable to the SEC (22 million), ACC (28 million) and way ahead of the BIG 12. With the four pickups on BYU, Houston, Cincinnati and CFU, the Big 12 will increase from 10.3 million to 15.2 million which would be way behind the upgraded PAC-12. The potential loose affiliation with the ACC could open up new TV eyes to the conference via cross conference games or championship games on a shared streaming network or something of the like. Ultimately it will come down to sustained on the field success. I remember a time when Miami and Washington ruled the football world, then there was a time when USC and Texas ruled the football world. It just happened that a bunch of the conference realignment based on TV money happened to go down while Alabama and the SEC have been the kings. But Saban won't be around forever and teams rise and fall. The question is will the money in this realignment permanently alter future fortunes. I hope schools like Oregon, Clemson, Miami, Washington, Utah, Boise State, TCU or even San Diego State can turn this around and be the next Alabama. So much of it has to do with bringing in a great coach. Alabama without Saban would not be Alabama.
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Post by aardvark on Jul 7, 2022 10:05:27 GMT -8
There is a lot of talk from certain pundits about how potential teams coming into the conference need to meet a certain financial threshold to meet the entry requirements of the other institutions and the conference as a whole. In particular, there has been discussion about how each team needs to bring an added value of $25 to $30 million, and that San Diego State or Boise State may only be in the range of $3 to $5 million. In my opinion, the people making these statements are failing to look at a number of factors and are not seeing the big picture. For starters, the value of a group of teams or conference is more than the sum of the value of the individual teams. I don't believe that individually, Oregon State, Washington State, Arizona State, Cal, Stanford, Utah, Colorado or Arizona is worth $25 million to $30 million per season as an independent. But when you bring them all together and combine them with Oregon and Washington, they are at least $300 million plus. I think the so called 4 corners schools have discussions with the BIG 12 simply as leverage against Oregon and Washington so that the pacific northwest schools don't hold all the cards and try to take too much, but do not seriously want to leave. Adding G5 teams like San Diego State, Boise State, Fresno State, SMU or UNLV adds to the conference TV footprint, it adds to the recruiting footprint, SDSU and Fresno State in particular help regain some foothold in the LA market where there are a lot of transplants from those two areas both for recruiting and TV and both schools are nearby. With the LA teams leaving the PAC 12, the conferences TV market footprint drops from 19.3 million households to 12.4 million. You could make an argument that a San Diego State/Fresno State combo plus SMU and UNLV could get the PAC back into the LA market, plus brings back San Diego, the Central Valley, Dallas and/or Las Vegas which would add approximately 15 million and get the PAC over 25 million which would be comparable to the SEC (22 million), ACC (28 million) and way ahead of the BIG 12. With the four pickups on BYU, Houston, Cincinnati and CFU, the Big 12 will increase from 10.3 million to 15.2 million which would be way behind the upgraded PAC-12. The potential loose affiliation with the ACC could open up new TV eyes to the conference via cross conference games or championship games on a shared streaming network or something of the like. Ultimately it will come down to sustained on the field success. I remember a time when Miami and Washington ruled the football world, then there was a time when USC and Texas ruled the football world. It just happened that a bunch of the conference realignment based on TV money happened to go down while Alabama and the SEC have been the kings. But Saban won't be around forever and teams rise and fall. The question is will the money in this realignment permanently alter future fortunes. I hope schools like Oregon, Clemson, Miami, Washington, Utah, Boise State, TCU or even San Diego State can turn this around and be the next Alabama. So much of it has to do with bringing in a great coach. Alabama without Saban would not be Alabama. UNLV > Fresno St. |
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Post by survalli on Jul 7, 2022 10:11:05 GMT -8
So UCLA/USC capture the San Diego market, but SDSU has no impact on the LA Market. sorry i refuse to believe it. |
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Post by chris92065 on Jul 7, 2022 10:34:24 GMT -8
There is a lot of talk from certain pundits about how potential teams coming into the conference need to meet a certain financial threshold to meet the entry requirements of the other institutions and the conference as a whole. In particular, there has been discussion about how each team needs to bring an added value of $25 to $30 million, and that San Diego State or Boise State may only be in the range of $3 to $5 million. In my opinion, the people making these statements are failing to look at a number of factors and are not seeing the big picture. For starters, the value of a group of teams or conference is more than the sum of the value of the individual teams. I don't believe that individually, Oregon State, Washington State, Arizona State, Cal, Stanford, Utah, Colorado or Arizona is worth $25 million to $30 million per season as an independent. But when you bring them all together and combine them with Oregon and Washington, they are at least $300 million plus. I think the so called 4 corners schools have discussions with the BIG 12 simply as leverage against Oregon and Washington so that the pacific northwest schools don't hold all the cards and try to take too much, but do not seriously want to leave. Adding G5 teams like San Diego State, Boise State, Fresno State, SMU or UNLV adds to the conference TV footprint, it adds to the recruiting footprint, SDSU and Fresno State in particular help regain some foothold in the LA market where there are a lot of transplants from those two areas both for recruiting and TV and both schools are nearby. With the LA teams leaving the PAC 12, the conferences TV market footprint drops from 19.3 million households to 12.4 million. You could make an argument that a San Diego State/Fresno State combo plus SMU and UNLV could get the PAC back into the LA market, plus brings back San Diego, the Central Valley, Dallas and/or Las Vegas which would add approximately 15 million and get the PAC over 25 million which would be comparable to the SEC (22 million), ACC (28 million) and way ahead of the BIG 12. With the four pickups on BYU, Houston, Cincinnati and CFU, the Big 12 will increase from 10.3 million to 15.2 million which would be way behind the upgraded PAC-12. The potential loose affiliation with the ACC could open up new TV eyes to the conference via cross conference games or championship games on a shared streaming network or something of the like. Ultimately it will come down to sustained on the field success. I remember a time when Miami and Washington ruled the football world, then there was a time when USC and Texas ruled the football world. It just happened that a bunch of the conference realignment based on TV money happened to go down while Alabama and the SEC have been the kings. But Saban won't be around forever and teams rise and fall. The question is will the money in this realignment permanently alter future fortunes. I hope schools like Oregon, Clemson, Miami, Washington, Utah, Boise State, TCU or even San Diego State can turn this around and be the next Alabama. So much of it has to do with bringing in a great coach. Alabama without Saban would not be Alabama. UNLV > Fresno St. Lol. Long post. Point is don’t listen to pundits. Let’s just wait to see what unfolds. |
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Post by sdsuball on Jul 7, 2022 11:34:52 GMT -8
So UCLA/USC capture the San Diego market, but SDSU has no impact on the LA Market. sorry i refuse to believe it. This 100%. Not to mention, our revenues have to be increasing substantially in a new stadium, if we are playing PAC12 opponents in conference vs. MW opponents. We also bring a lot of value to the PAC12 on a national level when our team is undefeated or has only one loss and we play an Oregon/Washington in primetime. Value that much of the rest of the PAC12 doesn't have when their team blows and they already have several losses. |
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Post by soccer94 on Jul 7, 2022 11:56:30 GMT -8
"So UCLA/USC capture the San Diego market, but SDSU has no impact on the LA Market. sorry i refuse to believe it."
SDSU is 120 miles from Downtown LA, and just over 50 miles from the LA metro area southern borders of Temecula or San Clemente
Georgia/Athens GA is 80 miles from Atlanta
UW Madison is 80 miles from Milwaukee
LSU/Baton Rouge is 80 miles from New Orleans
MSU/East Lansing is 90 miles from Detroit
All these schools claim those markets. If San Diego State is in a bigger conference playing games that matter nationally, they can technically do the same for the LA market. They may not be #1 in the market, but they can claim a stake just as much as UCLA or USC can in San Diego.
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Post by sdsustoner on Jul 7, 2022 11:58:18 GMT -8
"So UCLA/USC capture the San Diego market, but SDSU has no impact on the LA Market. sorry i refuse to believe it." SDSU is 120 miles from Downtown LA, and just over 50 miles from the LA metro area southern borders of Temecula or San Clemente Georgia/Athens GA is 80 miles from Atlanta UW Madison is 80 miles from Milwaukee LSU/Baton Rouge is 80 miles from New Orleans MSU/East Lansing is 90 miles from Detroit All these schools claim those markets. If San Diego State is in a bigger conference playing games that matter nationally, they can technically do the same for the LA market. They may not be #1 in the market, but they can claim a stake just as much as UCLA or USC can in San Diego. As they forget all the SDSU alumni in both LA and Orange Counties |
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Post by aztecalum on Jul 7, 2022 12:02:54 GMT -8
not showing up in Carson (against Pac12 Utah) certainly didn't help...
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Post by missiontrails on Jul 7, 2022 12:35:23 GMT -8
not showing up in Carson (against Pac12 Utah) certainly didn't help... I was going to mention this too. Where were all these LA/OC alums at game time? I can see SD residents not wanting to drive that far, but what about the people living close by (or at least closer than SD)? As much as I'd like to dispute Yoda, I think Fresno fans outnumbered us for their game in Carson last season. |
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Post by aztecjeff on Jul 7, 2022 13:13:42 GMT -8
not showing up in Carson (against Pac12 Utah) certainly didn't help... Maybe not, but beating eventual "Pac-12 Champ" Utah in Carson did! In fact, the Aztecs 7-3 recent record against the Pac-12 & their 12-2 record last year rarely get mentioned in these expansion articles. If SDSU had been part of the Pac-12 over the past 10 years, had equal share of the Pac-12 money & equal recruiting opportunities over the same time period, it would be worth a hell of a lot more money than many of the current Pac-12 members. I think they're a bit afraid of giving the Aztecs equal footing. It wouldn't take long before SDSU's the hottest team in the conference. Look at what happened to Utah over that same time period! Once Utah began to dominate the conference, USC & UCLA tucked tail and ran! Honestly, they weren't just chasing the money like everyone's currently reporting, they were also trying to save face!! Was Utah treated the same way with their Mountain West Conference "numbers" when they joined the Pac-10 back in the day? I bet not... |
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Post by standiego on Jul 7, 2022 14:52:22 GMT -8
More important then having Aztec fans up at Carson for TV
How many fans were watching the game on TV
Also makes a difference were Aztec fans able to even find the game on TV
Couple of different rumors
PAC talking with ACC about a "Merger " ACC Network ( ESPN owned ) also taking over the PAC Network - would help if PAC got Houston and ACC got Memphis or UCF
Some Pac members chatting with Big 12
While these mergers may not help SDSU unless Aztecs can show that TV viewers do watch Aztec games on TV If they can find them
Key for PAC is keeping Ducks - Huskies - Colorado , Utah and Stanford
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Post by HollywoodAztec on Jul 7, 2022 15:06:04 GMT -8
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Post by chris92065 on Jul 7, 2022 15:21:52 GMT -8
This makes complete sense and will force notre dame and duke into the big ten. |
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Post by chris92065 on Jul 7, 2022 15:25:14 GMT -8
You know the aac could come out of this looking pretty good.
If the acc falls apart you are going to have schools like:
Boston college
Pitt
North Carolina st
Virginia
Looking for a home.
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