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Post by AzTex on Jun 6, 2021 5:10:53 GMT -8
Gotchur iconography right here: We need to mass produce this image on hats and shirts and wear them to every SDSU event and function. Privately pay someone to show up in the Monte/Warrior costume for football and basketball. Flip our finger to de la Torre and show her who actually brings money to her school. We've had white outs, red outs and black outs. I was thinking more along the lines of having a Monty out. We all come dressed as Aztecs.
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Post by chris92065 on Jun 6, 2021 5:37:09 GMT -8
I think its time for the alumni to file a lawsuit. Find some legal grounds to prohibit the changing of the name.
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Post by hoobs on Jun 6, 2021 6:56:26 GMT -8
Anyone who cares more about the name of a mascot vs. the university itself... F you. I will support my alma mater no matter the stupid mascot name. And yeah, I'll increase my donations to help compensate for anyone weak enough to allow a mascot to affect their support to SDSU. We’re back to name calling again? Ok... So folks can insult 'politcal correctness' and being 'woke' but I can't insult folks caring more about a mascot than the university itself? Kindof a double-standard there a bit?
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Post by survalli on Jun 6, 2021 8:18:33 GMT -8
We’re back to name calling again? Ok... So folks can insult 'politcal correctness' and being 'woke' but I can't insult folks caring more about a mascot than the university itself? Kindof a double-standard there a bit? not just about the mascot, its about appeasement.
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Post by survalli on Jun 6, 2021 8:20:22 GMT -8
Gotchur iconography right here: "Racist" Monty will get you booted from Campus someday in the near future.
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Post by standiego on Jun 6, 2021 10:13:45 GMT -8
Reread her statement - She seems proud that SDSU continues to have the nickname Aztecs as she does numerous times in her Statement - with the following Line in Bold in the middle of her statement
We are the Aztecs , Our Past , Our Future
The issue that is being raised by some ( not sure if she even Directly mentions it )is the outfit that the "Mascot - head Cheer Person " wears
If it is similar to most issues that are brought up it has to be studied , sent to a sub group or many it takes a while to actually then get put into a voted on resolution
Again there in NO mention of changing the Nickname Aztecs .
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Post by laaztec on Jun 6, 2021 10:32:24 GMT -8
Gotchur iconography right here: "Racist" Monty will get you booted from Campus someday in the near future. I was thinking the same thing. If you wear the disgruntled Monty to an athletic event (which I always do) they will eventually refuse you admittance. It's not so far fetched to think that this could happen.
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Post by laaztec on Jun 6, 2021 10:34:28 GMT -8
Reread her statement - She seems proud that SDSU continues to have the nickname Aztecs as she does numerous times in her Statement - with the following Line in Bold in the middle of her statement We are the Aztecs , Our Past , Our Future The issue that is being raised by some ( not sure if she even Directly mentions it )is the outfit that the "Mascot - head Cheer Person " wears If it is similar to most issues that are brought up it has to be studied , sent to a sub group or many it takes a while to actually then get put into a voted on resolution Again there in NO mention of changing the Nickname Aztecs . It's not about the current statement. It's about the future statements. This isn't the end of the issue it's just the beginning. The group that is offended by the Aztec name has a sympathetic ear in our current President. They are going to keep pushing and pushing and de la Torre is willing to go along with it. It's going to slowly happen over the next decade. You watch.
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Post by aztec00 on Jun 6, 2021 11:50:40 GMT -8
We’re back to name calling again? Ok... So folks can insult 'politcal correctness' and being 'woke' but I can't insult folks caring more about a mascot than the university itself? Kindof a double-standard there a bit? You know the difference between criticizing IDEAS and insulting PEOPLE for beliefs contrary to your own.
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Post by pbnative on Jun 6, 2021 12:42:28 GMT -8
So folks can insult 'politcal correctness' and being 'woke' but I can't insult folks caring more about a mascot than the university itself? Kindof a double-standard there a bit? You know the difference between criticizing IDEAS and insulting PEOPLE for beliefs contrary to your own. Unfortunately that's not how it works anymore. You're not allowed and opinion or God forbid an original thought contrary to the group think mob. If you start to express any critical thought you are automatically a live target for any and all types of attacks.
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Post by sleepy on Jun 6, 2021 13:41:51 GMT -8
Seems to me, dude was already "retired" and they just kept him off the court, but did allow him to run around the stands. If he is outright discontinued, it seems to me there's nothing to stop any given fan from dressing up in the same garb. People are wearing any number of different costumes down in The Show anyway. Suit up!
As for me, I'm a graduate of San Diego State University. Says so right on my diploma. Nowhere does it mention "Aztecs" -- probably because that part is not important in the grand scheme of things. I root for San Diego State. Have since I arrived on campus, and always will -- whether or not some dude is running around in Halloween costume.
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Post by pbnative on Jun 6, 2021 14:12:09 GMT -8
Seems to me, dude was already "retired" and they just kept him off the court, but did allow him to run around the stands. If he is outright discontinued, it seems to me there's nothing to stop any given fan from dressing up in the same garb. People are wearing any number of different costumes down in The Show anyway. Suit up! As for me, I'm a graduate of San Diego State University. Says so right on my diploma. Nowhere does it mention "Aztecs" -- probably because that part is not important in the grand scheme of things. I root for San Diego State. Have since I arrived on campus, and always will -- whether or not some dude is running around in Halloween costume. So leading the team out on the field is just running around in the stands? Handing the spear to the honorary warrior of the game? Plenty of interaction bith on and off the court. Most schools separate the academic side and the athletic iconography. The rest is you opinion, so what you do is your choice.
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Post by AzTex on Jun 6, 2021 14:31:01 GMT -8
"Racist" Monty will get you booted from Campus someday in the near future. I was thinking the same thing. If you wear the disgruntled Monty to an athletic event (which I always do) they will eventually refuse you admittance. It's not so far fetched to think that this could happen. I reserve wearing my disgruntled Monty gear for the big games. I do hope you're wrong about it being banned.
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Post by DeeMoney on Jun 6, 2021 14:50:14 GMT -8
Here is the thing about the Aztec mascot, that I believe is unique relative to other similar situations. The Indigenismo in Mexico that arose post revolution, and later grew during the 1960s, has become ingrained within the Mexican-American community; especially in regards to the Aztecs. Now I'm not stating that was the original intent in choosing the mascot, though I do feel it to be less nefarious than some imply; but I do know there are a number of SDSU students and alum of Mexican heritage (me included) who find it as a spot of cultural pride.
Now you can save the whole, 'how do you even know if you are from Mexica (Aztec) heritage?' The Aztecs are the primary indigenous people that Mexicans have attached their cultural heritage to; so much so that the name of the nation and its flag trace itself back to the Aztecs. For those of you who were part of, or lived near Mexican-American communities you know this to be true.
Along these lines, many Mexican-Americans take pride in having SDSU call itself the Aztecs. In fact I would argue a clear majority of Mexican-Americans find it to be a a matter of positive representation of their culture, and support having the mascot. Unfortunately, I believe we have an issue of a vocal minority (which I use to describe the amount of people, not as a descriptive of race) who choose to ignore this and continue to fight a cause more out of idealism and to gain notoriety than to support those alledgedly wronged.
My hope here, is that they continually seek the opinion of the Mexican-American community as a whole (not just those who want to raise a fuss). Sadly, that line of thinking doesnt seem to jibe with current social conditions.
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Post by sdsu69 on Jun 6, 2021 15:36:56 GMT -8
Thank you Dave that was very well stated. While I was at SDSU I had a roommate of Mexican descent and several Fraternity brothers of Mexican descent and they all felt the same way you described in your post.
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Post by sdsuball on Jun 6, 2021 15:51:51 GMT -8
Here is the thing about the Aztec mascot, that I believe is unique relative to other similar situations. The Indigenismo in Mexico that arose post revolution, and later grew during the 1960s, has become ingrained within the Mexican-American community; especially in regards to the Aztecs. Now I'm not stating that was the original intent in choosing the mascot, though I do feel it to be less nefarious than some imply; but I do know there are a number of SDSU students and alum of Mexican heritage (me included) who find it as a spot of cultural pride. Now you can save the whole, 'how do you even know if you are from Mexica (Aztec) heritage?' The Aztecs are the primary indigenous people that Mexicans have attached their cultural heritage to; so much so that the name of the nation and its flag trace itself back to the Aztecs. For those of you who were part of, or lived near Mexican-American communities you know this to be true. Along these lines, many Mexican-Americans take pride in having SDSU call itself the Aztecs. In fact I would argue a clear majority of Mexican-Americans find it to be a a matter of positive representation of their culture, and support having the mascot. Unfortunately, I believe we have an issue of a vocal minority (which I use to describe the amount of people, not as a descriptive of race) who choose to ignore this and continue to fight a cause more out of idealism and to gain notoriety than to support those alledgedly wronged. My hope here, is that they continually seek the opinion of the Mexican-American community as a whole (not just those who want to raise a fuss). Sadly, that line of thinking doesnt seem to jibe with current social conditions. I think that's a really good point about Mexican heritage and the Mexican-American community, which obviously is a sizeable portion of the population of San Diego. I think that the oppression of the Kumeyaay people by the Spanish, and the desire to recognize them (since the Kumeyaay people are indigenous to the San Diego/Tijuana region - not the Aztecs) is the counter-argument to an SDSU Aztec identity. I think that the Kumeyaay people are fighting to prevent the erasure of their heritage and culture due to the transplanting of Aztec culture into the region, and the use of the Aztec mascot for a San Diego institution (SDSU) threatens that.
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Post by DeeMoney on Jun 6, 2021 15:59:35 GMT -8
Here is the thing about the Aztec mascot, that I believe is unique relative to other similar situations. The Indigenismo in Mexico that arose post revolution, and later grew during the 1960s, has become ingrained within the Mexican-American community; especially in regards to the Aztecs. Now I'm not stating that was the original intent in choosing the mascot, though I do feel it to be less nefarious than some imply; but I do know there are a number of SDSU students and alum of Mexican heritage (me included) who find it as a spot of cultural pride. Now you can save the whole, 'how do you even know if you are from Mexica (Aztec) heritage?' The Aztecs are the primary indigenous people that Mexicans have attached their cultural heritage to; so much so that the name of the nation and its flag trace itself back to the Aztecs. For those of you who were part of, or lived near Mexican-American communities you know this to be true. Along these lines, many Mexican-Americans take pride in having SDSU call itself the Aztecs. In fact I would argue a clear majority of Mexican-Americans find it to be a a matter of positive representation of their culture, and support having the mascot. Unfortunately, I believe we have an issue of a vocal minority (which I use to describe the amount of people, not as a descriptive of race) who choose to ignore this and continue to fight a cause more out of idealism and to gain notoriety than to support those alledgedly wronged. My hope here, is that they continually seek the opinion of the Mexican-American community as a whole (not just those who want to raise a fuss). Sadly, that line of thinking doesnt seem to jibe with current social conditions. I think that's a really good point about Mexican heritage and the Mexican-American community, which obviously is a sizeable portion of the population of San Diego. I think that the oppression of the Kumeyaay people by the Spanish, and the desire to recognize them (since the Kumeyaay people are indigenous to the San Diego/Tijuana region - not the Aztecs) is the counter-argument to an SDSU Aztec identity. I think that the Kumeyaay people are fighting to prevent the erasure of their heritage and culture due to the transplanting of Aztec culture into the region, and the use of the Aztec mascot for a San Diego institution (SDSU) threatens that. I get that, and I actually think its cool that we have people who recognize that having a mascot named after you can be a sign of respect, and are striving for that.
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Post by Den60 on Jun 6, 2021 16:01:13 GMT -8
I think its time for the alumni to file a lawsuit. Find some legal grounds to prohibit the changing of the name. I'd join.
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Post by Den60 on Jun 6, 2021 16:10:52 GMT -8
Here is the thing about the Aztec mascot, that I believe is unique relative to other similar situations. The Indigenismo in Mexico that arose post revolution, and later grew during the 1960s, has become ingrained within the Mexican-American community; especially in regards to the Aztecs. Now I'm not stating that was the original intent in choosing the mascot, though I do feel it to be less nefarious than some imply; but I do know there are a number of SDSU students and alum of Mexican heritage (me included) who find it as a spot of cultural pride. Now you can save the whole, 'how do you even know if you are from Mexica (Aztec) heritage?' The Aztecs are the primary indigenous people that Mexicans have attached their cultural heritage to; so much so that the name of the nation and its flag trace itself back to the Aztecs. For those of you who were part of, or lived near Mexican-American communities you know this to be true. Along these lines, many Mexican-Americans take pride in having SDSU call itself the Aztecs. In fact I would argue a clear majority of Mexican-Americans find it to be a a matter of positive representation of their culture, and support having the mascot. Unfortunately, I believe we have an issue of a vocal minority (which I use to describe the amount of people, not as a descriptive of race) who choose to ignore this and continue to fight a cause more out of idealism and to gain notoriety than to support those alledgedly wronged. My hope here, is that they continually seek the opinion of the Mexican-American community as a whole (not just those who want to raise a fuss). Sadly, that line of thinking doesnt seem to jibe with current social conditions. Hell, I remember being at the stadium in 1977 against FSU where we beat #12 Florida St, 41-16. I remember us coming out and our warrior mascot throwing a flaming spear right in front of their coach. Bobby Bowden remembers that as well: Here is a link to that article, nothing but respect for our school: sandiegostate.rivals.com/news/bowden-on-sdsu-and-a-night-to-rememberOur mascot is a symbol of strength, not some sort of parody. He is the one who RALLIES us, he is the one who MOTIVATES us and he shouldn't be pushed aside like some worthless object. HE GIVES US PRIDE! I want a count, who is with me on this? I am serious. I want us to step up and tell the university this is our identity. WE ALL NEED TO STEP UP NOW, NOT BACK DOWN!
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Post by 🥸 Hopeless Aztec on Jun 6, 2021 16:16:12 GMT -8
I think its time for the alumni to file a lawsuit. Find some legal grounds to prohibit the changing of the name. I'd join. If done the right way then you can count me and AzTex, Dan, Chris, LA, OO, PB, Sleepy, Johne, Etc. in as well. 😁. (Note: I am just happy the Clippers won and spouting off so please don't flame me.)
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