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Post by Den60 on Jun 6, 2021 16:17:22 GMT -8
If done the right way then you can count me and AzTex, Dan, Chris, LA, OO, PB, Sleepy, Johne, Etc. in as well. 😁. (Note: I am just happy the Clippers won and spouting off so please don't flame me.) Please read my rather emotional post just above...
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Post by 🥸 Hopeless Aztec on Jun 6, 2021 16:19:00 GMT -8
If done the right way then you can count me and AzTex, Dan, Chris, LA, OO, PB, Sleepy, Johne, Etc. in as well. 😁. (Note: I am just happy the Clippers won and spouting off so please don't flame me.) Please read my rather emotional post just above... Yah! I was supporting you and bringing the rest of the fam with me. 😂
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Post by Den60 on Jun 6, 2021 16:20:00 GMT -8
As for the FSU game, it was amazing. We kicked them in the nuts and didn't let off. Our band wandered through the stadium apart, drum section in one place, horns in another. To be honest, the best sports environment I can remember.
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Post by Den60 on Jun 6, 2021 16:20:29 GMT -8
Please read my rather emotional post just above... Yah! I was supporting you and bringing the rest of the fam with me. 😂 No worries.
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Post by Den60 on Jun 6, 2021 16:49:49 GMT -8
And another thing I want to challenge is the fact that the ratio of Men to Women at SDUS is something like 43%-57%. It should be equal and, while you would wonder why that is a factor is is because of Title IX. That law requires that you have as many scholarships for me as for wonem but also based on the enrollment percentages of each sex. That is why we have so many non revenue women's teams while carrying the fewest number of men's teams,
Why is it that SDSU allows such a disparity in enrollment between men and women?
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Post by aardvark on Jun 6, 2021 17:22:48 GMT -8
Here is the thing about the Aztec mascot, that I believe is unique relative to other similar situations. The Indigenismo in Mexico that arose post revolution, and later grew during the 1960s, has become ingrained within the Mexican-American community; especially in regards to the Aztecs. Now I'm not stating that was the original intent in choosing the mascot, though I do feel it to be less nefarious than some imply; but I do know there are a number of SDSU students and alum of Mexican heritage (me included) who find it as a spot of cultural pride. Now you can save the whole, 'how do you even know if you are from Mexica (Aztec) heritage?' The Aztecs are the primary indigenous people that Mexicans have attached their cultural heritage to; so much so that the name of the nation and its flag trace itself back to the Aztecs. For those of you who were part of, or lived near Mexican-American communities you know this to be true. Along these lines, many Mexican-Americans take pride in having SDSU call itself the Aztecs. In fact I would argue a clear majority of Mexican-Americans find it to be a a matter of positive representation of their culture, and support having the mascot. Unfortunately, I believe we have an issue of a vocal minority (which I use to describe the amount of people, not as a descriptive of race) who choose to ignore this and continue to fight a cause more out of idealism and to gain notoriety than to support those alledgedly wronged. My hope here, is that they continually seek the opinion of the Mexican-American community as a whole (not just those who want to raise a fuss). Sadly, that line of thinking doesnt seem to jibe with current social conditions. Hell, I remember being at the stadium in 1977 against FSU where we beat #12 Florida St, 41-16. I remember us coming out and our warrior mascot throwing a flaming spear right in front of their coach. Bobby Bowden remembers that as well: Here is a link to that article, nothing but respect for our school: sandiegostate.rivals.com/news/bowden-on-sdsu-and-a-night-to-rememberOur mascot is a symbol of strength, not some sort of parody. He is the one who RALLIES us, he is the one who MOTIVATES us and he shouldn't be pushed aside like some worthless object. HE GIVES US PRIDE! I want a count, who is with me on this? I am serious. I want us to step up and tell the university this is our identity. WE ALL NEED TO STEP UP NOW, NOT BACK DOWN! I believe that one of the schools still uses a flaming spear. Hint: It's not SDSU.
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Post by aardvark on Jun 6, 2021 17:24:23 GMT -8
Vintage Brands has some assorted tees and lightweight sweatshirts with the Disgruntled Monty logo.
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Jun 6, 2021 17:24:56 GMT -8
And another thing I want to challenge is the fact that the ratio of Men to Women at SDUS is something like 43%-57%. It should be equal and, while you would wonder why that is a factor is is because of Title IX. That law requires that you have as many scholarships for me as for wonem but also based on the enrollment percentages of each sex. That is why we have so many non revenue women's teams while carrying the fewest number of men's teams, Why is it that SDSU allows such a disparity in enrollment between men and women? CALNOW, in a word. At this point, it has to be scorched earth. I don't see how anyone has any standing to sue the University from changing the imagery or name. I would have to imagine it would have to be someone who will be damaged monetarily. Not sure who that would be nor willing to file. At this point, you have t o hoist them on their own petard. Label everything that they suggest as being offensive. We need to force them to eat their own dog food. Using anything Kumeyaay in my opinion is offensive. Let's see if we can up with an inanimate object or adjective. Or maybe both Black Trees Black Stones Black Horns Black Shoes Black Socks Red Hats Red Asses Red Fires Time to fight fire with fire.
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Post by hoobs on Jun 6, 2021 18:06:13 GMT -8
So folks can insult 'politcal correctness' and being 'woke' but I can't insult folks caring more about a mascot than the university itself? Kindof a double-standard there a bit? You know the difference between criticizing IDEAS and insulting PEOPLE for beliefs contrary to your own. Sure, I get that, and there's a whole lot of folks here insulting people for beliefs contrary to their own. From here I'm happy to leave y'all alone with your "anti-woke" outrage.
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Post by standiego on Jun 6, 2021 19:20:39 GMT -8
As usual a major leap from wanting to change the outfit the "Mascot / Lead Cheer Person to changing the Aztec nick name - there is No mention of that in the the SDSU President's message in fact she writes
WE are Aztecs our Past , Our Future and uses the Nickname Aztecs multiple times in her statement
But there are the Q's that see conspiracy in a wide variety of things , just ask Congresswoman Green
Or should those who are so fired up that think they should storm the President's office ,
Lawsuits - great way to tie up money for years
Try to find out when there will be the next meeting and get the facts
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Post by sdsudevil on Jun 7, 2021 0:11:11 GMT -8
And another thing I want to challenge is the fact that the ratio of Men to Women at SDUS is something like 43%-57%. It should be equal and, while you would wonder why that is a factor is is because of Title IX. That law requires that you have as many scholarships for me as for wonem but also based on the enrollment percentages of each sex. That is why we have so many non revenue women's teams while carrying the fewest number of men's teams, Why is it that SDSU allows such a disparity in enrollment between men and women? CALNOW, in a word. At this point, it has to be scorched earth. I don't see how anyone has any standing to sue the University from changing the imagery or name. I would have to imagine it would have to be someone who will be damaged monetarily. Not sure who that would be nor willing to file. At this point, you have t o hoist them on their own petard. Label everything that they suggest as being offensive. We need to force them to eat their own dog food. Using anything Kumeyaay in my opinion is offensive. Let's see if we can up with an inanimate object or adjective. Or maybe both Black Trees Black Stones Black Horns Black Shoes Black Socks Red Hats Red Asses Red Fires Time to fight fire with fire. Black Stones is a large Chicago street gang. Perhaps not that one, though it could make for an intimidating mascot.
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Post by sdsuball on Jun 7, 2021 9:47:57 GMT -8
And another thing I want to challenge is the fact that the ratio of Men to Women at SDUS is something like 43%-57%. It should be equal and, while you would wonder why that is a factor is is because of Title IX. That law requires that you have as many scholarships for me as for wonem but also based on the enrollment percentages of each sex. That is why we have so many non revenue women's teams while carrying the fewest number of men's teams, Why is it that SDSU allows such a disparity in enrollment between men and women? CALNOW, in a word. At this point, it has to be scorched earth. I don't see how anyone has any standing to sue the University from changing the imagery or name. I would have to imagine it would have to be someone who will be damaged monetarily. Not sure who that would be nor willing to file. At this point, you have t o hoist them on their own petard. Label everything that they suggest as being offensive. We need to force them to eat their own dog food. Using anything Kumeyaay in my opinion is offensive. Let's see if we can up with an inanimate object or adjective. Or maybe both Black Trees Black Stones Black Horns Black Shoes Black Socks Red Hats Red Asses Red Fires Time to fight fire with fire. You don't have to look far to find a mascot that is offensive to the Kumeyaay. The Padres (who are one of my favorite teams FWIW) mascot references the Padres, or religious leaders of the San Diego missions. The Padres, and the other people of the missions, forced the Kumeyaay off of their land, brought cattle in that ate the native grains that they harvested. The missionaries would steal young girls from the tribes, and indoctrinate them with Spanish cultural and religious views while forcing them to stay on the mission away from their parents. The girls were also often forced into marriage with the Spanish men. The Kumeyaay (as were other native tribes) were forced to work for the Spanish farming for them, and the Kumeyaay way of life and sovereignty was destroyed in the process. The point is, Kumeyaay culture has already been mostly erased, and the group that oppressed them is being idolized by the local MLB baseball team. Look, everyone is attached to the Aztec name for good reason - it has been associated with SDSU for a very long time. At the same time however, if we were to start over with a new mascot name - the chosen name wouldn't be the Aztecs. It would be something culturally significant to the region. It feels like your outrage is due to purported cultural sensitivity. I don't find the Aztec name to be offensive, personally. But I do find it to be geographically inaccurate, and I can sympathize with the Kumeyaay perspective. Obviously the Padres as a name is legitimately offensive to indigenous people, as the Padres were responsible for the destruction of indigenous cultures throughout California. All I can say is that while I do understand the attachment to the Aztec name (I like the name as well), it seems like your outrage is misplaced. You personally have nothing to be upset about, unless change and cultural awareness upsets you that much. A name change doesn't really affect your life or mine, and you can still wear your disgruntled monty shirt as much as you please (as will I).
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Post by junior on Jun 7, 2021 12:22:49 GMT -8
Maybe a less disgruntled Monty would help… Nah…
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Post by mactec on Jun 7, 2021 12:39:05 GMT -8
Maybe a less disgruntled Monty would help… Nah…This is the worst I've seen Disgruntled Monty being defaced. Please ignore my avatar.
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Jun 7, 2021 12:50:56 GMT -8
CALNOW, in a word. At this point, it has to be scorched earth. I don't see how anyone has any standing to sue the University from changing the imagery or name. I would have to imagine it would have to be someone who will be damaged monetarily. Not sure who that would be nor willing to file. At this point, you have t o hoist them on their own petard. Label everything that they suggest as being offensive. We need to force them to eat their own dog food. Using anything Kumeyaay in my opinion is offensive. Let's see if we can up with an inanimate object or adjective. Or maybe both Black Trees Black Stones Black Horns Black Shoes Black Socks Red Hats Red Asses Red Fires Time to fight fire with fire. You don't have to look far to find a mascot that is offensive to the Kumeyaay. The Padres (who are one of my favorite teams FWIW) mascot references the Padres, or religious leaders of the San Diego missions. The Padres, and the other people of the missions, forced the Kumeyaay off of their land, brought cattle in that ate the native grains that they harvested. The missionaries would steal young girls from the tribes, and indoctrinate them with Spanish cultural and religious views while forcing them to stay on the mission away from their parents. The girls were also often forced into marriage with the Spanish men. The Kumeyaay (as were other native tribes) were forced to work for the Spanish farming for them, and the Kumeyaay way of life and sovereignty was destroyed in the process. The point is, Kumeyaay culture has already been mostly erased, and the group that oppressed them is being idolized by the local MLB baseball team. Look, everyone is attached to the Aztec name for good reason - it has been associated with SDSU for a very long time. At the same time however, if we were to start over with a new mascot name - the chosen name wouldn't be the Aztecs. It would be something culturally significant to the region. It feels like your outrage is due to purported cultural sensitivity. I don't find the Aztec name to be offensive, personally. But I do find it to be geographically inaccurate, and I can sympathize with the Kumeyaay perspective. Obviously the Padres as a name is legitimately offensive to indigenous people, as the Padres were responsible for the destruction of indigenous cultures throughout California. All I can say is that while I do understand the attachment to the Aztec name (I like the name as well), it seems like your outrage is misplaced. You personally have nothing to be upset about, unless change and cultural awareness upsets you that much. A name change doesn't really affect your life or mine, and you can still wear your disgruntled monty shirt as much as you please (as will I). The Aztecs are significant to the region. In what way do you believe they are not. Pointing out that the arguments for removing the Aztecs as the moniker (e.g. that it is offensive) is a farce, is not outrage. It is calling it as it is. The current push is being made as to make room for the Kumeyaay. "It's offensive to use Aztecs" and then in the same breath "let's honor the Kumeyaay" That is why I support genericizing the moniker and in the process making the advancers of this illogical game eat their own dog food.
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 7, 2021 12:57:48 GMT -8
Please read my rather emotional post just above... Yah! I was supporting you and bringing the rest of the fam with me. 😂 Absolutely. And, I'm a Clippers fan as well!!! For many years, since SD.
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 7, 2021 12:58:54 GMT -8
Maybe a less disgruntled Monty would help… Nah…That's hilarious!!!
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 7, 2021 13:02:39 GMT -8
If done the right way then you can count me and AzTex, Dan, Chris, LA, OO, PB, Sleepy, Johne, Etc. in as well. 😁. (Note: I am just happy the Clippers won and spouting off so please don't flame me.) Go Clips!!!
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Post by sdsuball on Jun 7, 2021 18:25:41 GMT -8
You don't have to look far to find a mascot that is offensive to the Kumeyaay. The Padres (who are one of my favorite teams FWIW) mascot references the Padres, or religious leaders of the San Diego missions. The Padres, and the other people of the missions, forced the Kumeyaay off of their land, brought cattle in that ate the native grains that they harvested. The missionaries would steal young girls from the tribes, and indoctrinate them with Spanish cultural and religious views while forcing them to stay on the mission away from their parents. The girls were also often forced into marriage with the Spanish men. The Kumeyaay (as were other native tribes) were forced to work for the Spanish farming for them, and the Kumeyaay way of life and sovereignty was destroyed in the process. The point is, Kumeyaay culture has already been mostly erased, and the group that oppressed them is being idolized by the local MLB baseball team. Look, everyone is attached to the Aztec name for good reason - it has been associated with SDSU for a very long time. At the same time however, if we were to start over with a new mascot name - the chosen name wouldn't be the Aztecs. It would be something culturally significant to the region. It feels like your outrage is due to purported cultural sensitivity. I don't find the Aztec name to be offensive, personally. But I do find it to be geographically inaccurate, and I can sympathize with the Kumeyaay perspective. Obviously the Padres as a name is legitimately offensive to indigenous people, as the Padres were responsible for the destruction of indigenous cultures throughout California. All I can say is that while I do understand the attachment to the Aztec name (I like the name as well), it seems like your outrage is misplaced. You personally have nothing to be upset about, unless change and cultural awareness upsets you that much. A name change doesn't really affect your life or mine, and you can still wear your disgruntled monty shirt as much as you please (as will I). The Aztecs are significant to the region. In what way do you believe they are not. Pointing out that the arguments for removing the Aztecs as the moniker (e.g. that it is offensive) is a farce, is not outrage. It is calling it as it is. The current push is being made as to make room for the Kumeyaay. "It's offensive to use Aztecs" and then in the same breath "let's honor the Kumeyaay" That is why I support genericizing the moniker and in the process making the advancers of this illogical game eat their own dog food. I agree with you that the offense taken to the Aztec name is a farce, and that it is being done to eventually get rid of the mascot. However, I also like the idea of replacing the mascot with a Kumeyaay mascot on its own merits. I would prefer to get rid of the Padres mascot with a Kumeyaay one, but... not likely to happen. The Aztecs are significant to the regions of Central Mexico, where they built an empire, and were also significant trade partners with the various Central American civilizations that they conducted trade with. The Aztec empire did not extend into the San Diego/Tijuana region, where the Kumeyaay people have lived for thousands of years.
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Post by chris92065 on Jun 7, 2021 21:04:38 GMT -8
The Aztecs are significant to the region. In what way do you believe they are not. Pointing out that the arguments for removing the Aztecs as the moniker (e.g. that it is offensive) is a farce, is not outrage. It is calling it as it is. The current push is being made as to make room for the Kumeyaay. "It's offensive to use Aztecs" and then in the same breath "let's honor the Kumeyaay" That is why I support genericizing the moniker and in the process making the advancers of this illogical game eat their own dog food. I agree with you that the offense taken to the Aztec name is a farce, and that it is being done to eventually get rid of the mascot. However, I also like the idea of replacing the mascot with a Kumeyaay mascot on its own merits. I would prefer to get rid of the Padres mascot with a Kumeyaay one, but... not likely to happen. The Aztecs are significant to the regions of Central Mexico, where they built an empire, and were also significant trade partners with the various Central American civilizations that they conducted trade with. The Aztec empire did not extend into the San Diego/Tijuana region, where the Kumeyaay people have lived for thousands of years.[/ Spartans have nothing to do with michigan. trojans have nothing to with la. I totally disagree with changing the mascot becuase a population base can trace its ancestry back a few thousand years. The name aztecs is about celebrating a culture that no longer exists. millions of people have aztec dna in their blood from mexico to california. A few thousand people have kumeyaay dna in their blood. If the kemuyaay want their ancestry celebrated on campus then donate a ton of money and build a native americam culiure center on campus to increase awareness. This has nothing to do with increasing awareness but everything to do with a power grab and free advertizing. I am at a point where I would support a name change to the fluffers and divorce ourselves from viejas completely. Let then find another university to bully.
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