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Post by johneaztec on May 14, 2021 14:38:26 GMT -8
I like how you use "media hype" to fit your thoughts, but when some say it's "media hype" concerning Trump, you quickly mock it. Now, that can be considered laughable. You don't have to be an Einstein to understand that the rush of immigrants once Biden was one, was partially due to the fact that they felt it would be easier and more welcome. Didn't he at one point basically say to come on over? Because I know the difference between a manufactured crisis that has nothing to do with who the president is and an actual crisis like Russian interference in American elections, SolarWinds, pandering to foreign dictators and so on and so forth. And no, that never happened. In fact, he told migrants "DON'T come over." I guess Albert Einstein has left the premises. Fun fact : There were MORE border apprehensions in January/February of 2019 than there were in this year. This is typical activity you see every year in the colder months, with the exception that more children are involved. Well, Biden, in 2019 told migrants that they should come over, and then he had to change his tune this March, because of the siege. Albert Einstein's still around. |
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Post by aztecryan on May 14, 2021 14:52:03 GMT -8
Because I know the difference between a manufactured crisis that has nothing to do with who the president is and an actual crisis like Russian interference in American elections, SolarWinds, pandering to foreign dictators and so on and so forth. And no, that never happened. In fact, he told migrants "DON'T come over." I guess Albert Einstein has left the premises. Fun fact : There were MORE border apprehensions in January/February of 2019 than there were in this year. This is typical activity you see every year in the colder months, with the exception that more children are involved. Well, Biden, in 2019 told migrants that they should come over, and then he had to change his tune this March, because of the siege. Albert Einstein's still around. This is Fox News level framing and poorly represented. That is nowhere near reality or truth. Just to clarify : The comments you are referring to were made in June of 2019, during the Democratic debate in Miami. So you're maintaining those comments directly led to this "siege" in the winter of 2021? |
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Post by johneaztec on May 14, 2021 15:34:53 GMT -8
Well, Biden, in 2019 told migrants that they should come over, and then he had to change his tune this March, because of the siege. Albert Einstein's still around. This is Fox News level framing and poorly represented. That is nowhere near reality or truth. Just to clarify : The comments you are referring to were made in June of 2019, during the Democratic debate in Miami. So you're maintaining those comments directly led to this "siege" in the winter of 2021? Yes, his stance never changed on it until he felt the pressure to do so. And, it wasn't just him that made illegal immigrants feel welcome to just come on over, it was the liberals and the Democrats in charge as well. |
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Post by sdsustoner on May 14, 2021 17:22:40 GMT -8
Says your RW propagandists. Dems wouldn't be half bad if they did even a fraction of some of the stuff your propagandists lie about. Biden did not want that. He's got more kids in cages than your orange messiah ever could dream of. Trump was never my "orange messiah." He was simply the lesser of two evils, and I certainly didn't want Hillary in there. How was over racism less evil than covert? |
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Post by aztecryan on May 14, 2021 20:32:24 GMT -8
This is Fox News level framing and poorly represented. That is nowhere near reality or truth. Just to clarify : The comments you are referring to were made in June of 2019, during the Democratic debate in Miami. So you're maintaining those comments directly led to this "siege" in the winter of 2021? Yes, his stance never changed on it until he felt the pressure to do so. And, it wasn't just him that made illegal immigrants feel welcome to just come on over, it was the liberals and the Democrats in charge as well. Source, please. Considering you completely butchered the context of the actual quote, I'd like you to own it. It really has absolutely nothing to do with the Trump administration? No accountability there? |
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Post by johneaztec on May 14, 2021 20:53:44 GMT -8
Yes, his stance never changed on it until he felt the pressure to do so. And, it wasn't just him that made illegal immigrants feel welcome to just come on over, it was the liberals and the Democrats in charge as well. Source, please. Considering you completely butchered the context of the actual quote, I'd like you to own it. It really has absolutely nothing to do with the Trump administration? No accountability there? I'll take it back if you can show me where he changed his stance on it from 2019 until earlier this year. |
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Post by aztecryan on May 14, 2021 21:24:35 GMT -8
Source, please. Considering you completely butchered the context of the actual quote, I'd like you to own it. It really has absolutely nothing to do with the Trump administration? No accountability there? I'll take it back if you can show me where he changed his stance on it from 2019 until earlier this year. Not the way it works, man. You brought it up, falsely. Here's the full quote from 2019, so you can do some actual research and not regurgitate Fox News talking points. "They deserve to be heard. That's who we are," Biden said of those applying for asylum in a 2019 debate moderated by Univision's Jorge Ramos. "We're a nation that says, 'You want to flee, and you're fleeing oppression, you should come.'" That does not equal "Hey, come enter the country." He's referring in a general sense to the country's reputation, clearly. Many of the immigrants that seek asylum are fleeing from poverty, crime, dictatorships and autocracy in Latin American countries. |
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Post by johneaztec on May 14, 2021 21:45:26 GMT -8
I'll take it back if you can show me where he changed his stance on it from 2019 until earlier this year. Not the way it works, man. You brought it up, falsely. Here's the full quote from 2019, so you can do some actual research and not regurgitate Fox News talking points. "They deserve to be heard. That's who we are," Biden said of those applying for asylum in a 2019 debate moderated by Univision's Jorge Ramos. "We're a nation that says, 'You want to flee, and you're fleeing oppression, you should come.'" That does not equal "Hey, come enter the country." He's referring in a general sense to the country's reputation, clearly. Many of the immigrants that seek asylum are fleeing from poverty, crime, dictatorships and autocracy in Latin American countries. So, you don't think they felt more at ease to try and get in after a man of that stature says they should all try? Do you actually think only the ones who are actually feeling oppressed are trying to get in? Nobody's going to lie about the real reason they're trying to get in? By him saying that, they definitely felt more welcome. Whoever goes through the whole process and passes are welcome to come. You know, the legal way. |
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Post by aztecryan on May 14, 2021 22:52:53 GMT -8
Not the way it works, man. You brought it up, falsely. Here's the full quote from 2019, so you can do some actual research and not regurgitate Fox News talking points. "They deserve to be heard. That's who we are," Biden said of those applying for asylum in a 2019 debate moderated by Univision's Jorge Ramos. "We're a nation that says, 'You want to flee, and you're fleeing oppression, you should come.'" That does not equal "Hey, come enter the country." He's referring in a general sense to the country's reputation, clearly. Many of the immigrants that seek asylum are fleeing from poverty, crime, dictatorships and autocracy in Latin American countries. So, you don't think they felt more at ease to try and get in after a man of that stature says they should all try? Do you actually think only the ones who are actually feeling oppressed are trying to get in? Nobody's going to lie about the real reason they're trying to get in? By him saying that, they definitely felt more welcome. Whoever goes through the whole process and passes are welcome to come. You know, the legal way. Use some common sense here. A) HE DIDN'T SAY "TRY TO COME HERE." B) Even if that were true, we would have seen a massive surge post-June 2019...not a year and a half later. The statistics do not match your fantasy here, unfortunately. Do I think people trying to create a better life are lying? Who am I to even remotely try to characterize or assume that's the case? Any imperfect system will have a degree of abuse to it. There is no perfect, universal solution. It's the same crux of the welfare system, unemployment fraud, etc. You're showing a boatload of ignorance here in not understanding how flawed and lengthy the asylum process is. Some people literally cannot wait until that process concludes, for a variety of reasons. By the way, Biden said AFTER the quote you took out of context that he would NOT decriminalize crossing the border illegally. So why would people feel at ease if they were going to be subjected to Title 42? Think. I know the popular talking points are that there's a siege going on...but there isn't. The border hasn't collapsed. The border isn't overflowing with "illegals"....It's more nonsense and propaganda. The reality is that the previous administration's policies were woefully inadequate and failed miserably. Biden's extensions of some of those same policies will likely fail, too. |
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Post by johneaztec on May 14, 2021 23:21:01 GMT -8
So, you don't think they felt more at ease to try and get in after a man of that stature says they should all try? Do you actually think only the ones who are actually feeling oppressed are trying to get in? Nobody's going to lie about the real reason they're trying to get in? By him saying that, they definitely felt more welcome. Whoever goes through the whole process and passes are welcome to come. You know, the legal way. Use some common sense here. A) HE DIDN'T SAY "TRY TO COME HERE." B) Even if that were true, we would have seen a massive surge post-June 2019...not a year and a half later. The statistics do not match your fantasy here, unfortunately. Do I think people trying to create a better life are lying? Who am I to even remotely try to characterize or assume that's the case? Any imperfect system will have a degree of abuse to it. There is no perfect, universal solution. It's the same crux of the welfare system, unemployment fraud, etc. You're showing a boatload of ignorance here in not understanding how flawed and lengthy the asylum process is. Some people literally cannot wait until that process concludes, for a variety of reasons. By the way, Biden said AFTER the quote you took out of context that he would NOT decriminalize crossing the border illegally. So why would people feel at ease if they were going to be subjected to Title 42? Think. I know the popular talking points are that there's a siege going on...but there isn't. The border hasn't collapsed. The border isn't overflowing with "illegals"....It's more nonsense and propaganda. The reality is that the previous administration's policies were woefully inadequate and failed miserably. Biden's extensions of some of those same policies will likely fail, too. Of course it would be a year and a half later, because that's when Biden became president. That's what they were waiting for. Think. They waited until the man who said "come over" became President. |
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Post by aztecryan on May 15, 2021 9:38:15 GMT -8
Use some common sense here. A) HE DIDN'T SAY "TRY TO COME HERE." B) Even if that were true, we would have seen a massive surge post-June 2019...not a year and a half later. The statistics do not match your fantasy here, unfortunately. Do I think people trying to create a better life are lying? Who am I to even remotely try to characterize or assume that's the case? Any imperfect system will have a degree of abuse to it. There is no perfect, universal solution. It's the same crux of the welfare system, unemployment fraud, etc. You're showing a boatload of ignorance here in not understanding how flawed and lengthy the asylum process is. Some people literally cannot wait until that process concludes, for a variety of reasons. By the way, Biden said AFTER the quote you took out of context that he would NOT decriminalize crossing the border illegally. So why would people feel at ease if they were going to be subjected to Title 42? Think. I know the popular talking points are that there's a siege going on...but there isn't. The border hasn't collapsed. The border isn't overflowing with "illegals"....It's more nonsense and propaganda. The reality is that the previous administration's policies were woefully inadequate and failed miserably. Biden's extensions of some of those same policies will likely fail, too. Of course it would be a year and a half later, because that's when Biden became president. That's what they were waiting for. Think. They waited until the man who said "come over" became President. Nothing substantiates that besides your ill-pointed racism. So they can wait a year and a half for...what, exactly? They keep track of these things, you know? And the statistics say that there were less interventions in 2021 than there were in 2019, you know, when the other guy was president. Nobody said "come over" outside of your paranoia. How long does the asylum process take? Do you know what countries people are fleeing from to get to the United States? You're so far out of your depth, it's a special kind of special. |
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Post by johneaztec on May 15, 2021 10:18:47 GMT -8
Of course it would be a year and a half later, because that's when Biden became president. That's what they were waiting for. Think. They waited until the man who said "come over" became President. Nothing substantiates that besides your ill-pointed racism. So they can wait a year and a half for...what, exactly? They keep track of these things, you know? And the statistics say that there were less interventions in 2021 than there were in 2019, you know, when the other guy was president. Nobody said "come over" outside of your paranoia. How long does the asylum process take? Do you know what countries people are fleeing from to get to the United States? You're so far out of your depth, it's a special kind of special. Ahhhh, the ole race card try. If you're insinuating I'm racist, then you better step back bud. It could be someone from Poland. It just happens to be the influx of immigrants that are coming in droves Latinos. The only special kind of special is your deflections and excuses you come up with every where you go. |
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Post by aztecryan on May 15, 2021 11:24:41 GMT -8
Nothing substantiates that besides your ill-pointed racism. So they can wait a year and a half for...what, exactly? They keep track of these things, you know? And the statistics say that there were less interventions in 2021 than there were in 2019, you know, when the other guy was president. Nobody said "come over" outside of your paranoia. How long does the asylum process take? Do you know what countries people are fleeing from to get to the United States? You're so far out of your depth, it's a special kind of special. Ahhhh, the ole race card try. If you're insinuating I'm racist, then you better step back bud. It could be someone from Poland. It just happens to be the influx of immigrants that are coming in droves Latinos. The only special kind of special is your deflections and excuses you come up with every where you go. One person in this thread continues to rail on illegals, even after being pointed out more than once that they posted false information. Nothing backs up any of your claims and yet you continue to drive the same narrative, without any foundation to back it up. You're deflecting - I'm posting facts. I posted the full quote that you misconstrued and then you tried to use it again, improperly. So, yeah, it would seem to a laymen outsider that you have something against immigrants. You draw false inferences all over the place (i.e. They "waited for Biden to become president", Biden "told them to come over", There's a "siege" at the border, etc.)...So, explain how that's not a racially-biased perspective, please. If you bothered to look up anything that you are talking about, you'd probably be doing yourself a favor. I'll even help you. www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/rising-border-encounters-in-2021"For generations, the United States has seen periodic cycles of migration. There have also been multiple extraordinary migration events that have led more families and children to seek asylum. While much of the national conversation in early 2021 focused on a supposed surge in arrivals under the Biden administration, the roots of trends began months—and in some cases years—before President Biden took office. The government can and should view the arrival of high numbers of asylum seekers as a humanitarian protection management challenge, not a security challenge." "By February 2020, there were an estimated 15,000 people waiting for the chance to begin the asylum process in cities across the U.S.-Mexico border, some of whom had been waiting for years. The Department of Homeland Security's Office of Inspector General determined in 2020 that metering caused some people to cross the border and turn themselves in rather than wait for unknown periods of times in Mexico for a chance to begin the asylum process through a port of entry." |
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Post by johneaztec on May 15, 2021 11:45:42 GMT -8
Ahhhh, the ole race card try. If you're insinuating I'm racist, then you better step back bud. It could be someone from Poland. It just happens to be the influx of immigrants that are coming in droves Latinos. The only special kind of special is your deflections and excuses you come up with every where you go. One person in this thread continues to rail on illegals, even after being pointed out more than once that they posted false information. Nothing backs up any of your claims and yet you continue to drive the same narrative, without any foundation to back it up. You're deflecting - I'm posting facts. I posted the full quote that you misconstrued and then you tried to use it again, improperly. So, yeah, it would seem to a laymen outsider that you have something against immigrants. You draw false inferences all over the place (i.e. They "waited for Biden to become president", Biden "told them to come over", There's a "siege" at the border, etc.)...So, explain how that's not a racially-biased perspective, please. If you bothered to look up anything that you are talking about, you'd probably be doing yourself a favor. I'll even help you. www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/rising-border-encounters-in-2021"For generations, the United States has seen periodic cycles of migration. There have also been multiple extraordinary migration events that have led more families and children to seek asylum. While much of the national conversation in early 2021 focused on a supposed surge in arrivals under the Biden administration, the roots of trends began months—and in some cases years—before President Biden took office. The government can and should view the arrival of high numbers of asylum seekers as a humanitarian protection management challenge, not a security challenge." "By February 2020, there were an estimated 15,000 people waiting for the chance to begin the asylum process in cities across the U.S.-Mexico border, some of whom had been waiting for years. The Department of Homeland Security's Office of Inspector General determined in 2020 that metering caused some people to cross the border and turn themselves in rather than wait for unknown periods of times in Mexico for a chance to begin the asylum process through a port of entry." Like I said in my previous post, it could be Europeans. Whoever comes over needs to be vetted. It just so happens there's always been an influx of Latinos trying to come over the border illegally, and that's because the borders are close. I've talked first hand to Mexican people that have said once Biden gets in they felt there would be more of an opportunity to get their family in. You're naive if you don't understand this. I also gave you examples of how dangerous it can be to let people in illegally. It's not that difficult, but you can make it out to be if you'd like. |
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Post by aztecryan on May 15, 2021 12:56:33 GMT -8
One person in this thread continues to rail on illegals, even after being pointed out more than once that they posted false information. Nothing backs up any of your claims and yet you continue to drive the same narrative, without any foundation to back it up. You're deflecting - I'm posting facts. I posted the full quote that you misconstrued and then you tried to use it again, improperly. So, yeah, it would seem to a laymen outsider that you have something against immigrants. You draw false inferences all over the place (i.e. They "waited for Biden to become president", Biden "told them to come over", There's a "siege" at the border, etc.)...So, explain how that's not a racially-biased perspective, please. If you bothered to look up anything that you are talking about, you'd probably be doing yourself a favor. I'll even help you. www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/rising-border-encounters-in-2021"For generations, the United States has seen periodic cycles of migration. There have also been multiple extraordinary migration events that have led more families and children to seek asylum. While much of the national conversation in early 2021 focused on a supposed surge in arrivals under the Biden administration, the roots of trends began months—and in some cases years—before President Biden took office. The government can and should view the arrival of high numbers of asylum seekers as a humanitarian protection management challenge, not a security challenge." "By February 2020, there were an estimated 15,000 people waiting for the chance to begin the asylum process in cities across the U.S.-Mexico border, some of whom had been waiting for years. The Department of Homeland Security's Office of Inspector General determined in 2020 that metering caused some people to cross the border and turn themselves in rather than wait for unknown periods of times in Mexico for a chance to begin the asylum process through a port of entry." Like I said in my previous post, it could be Europeans. Whoever comes over needs to be vetted. It just so happens there's always been an influx of Latinos trying to come over the border illegally, and that's because the borders are close. I've talked first hand to Mexican people that have said once Biden gets in they felt there would be more of an opportunity to get their family in. You're naive if you don't understand this. I also gave you examples of how dangerous it can be to let people in illegally. It's not that difficult, but you can make it out to be if you'd like. Ah, yes...The "I know Mexicans" line. That was predictable. Dogwhistling so loud it's deafening. Whoever comes over needs to be vetted...cool. That's already a thing. Dangerous in what way? You bring up generalities and can't point to anything definitive that's specific in nature. Literally you posted something as ridiculous as "I have heard personally someone say they could kill a person and go to Mexico and not be found." Unsubstantiated, hyperbolic garbage. |
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Post by johneaztec on May 15, 2021 13:55:28 GMT -8
Like I said in my previous post, it could be Europeans. Whoever comes over needs to be vetted. It just so happens there's always been an influx of Latinos trying to come over the border illegally, and that's because the borders are close. I've talked first hand to Mexican people that have said once Biden gets in they felt there would be more of an opportunity to get their family in. You're naive if you don't understand this. I also gave you examples of how dangerous it can be to let people in illegally. It's not that difficult, but you can make it out to be if you'd like. Ah, yes...The "I know Mexicans" line. That was predictable. Dogwhistling so loud it's deafening. Whoever comes over needs to be vetted...cool. That's already a thing. Dangerous in what way? You bring up generalities and can't point to anything definitive that's specific in nature. Literally you posted something as ridiculous as "I have heard personally someone say they could kill a person and go to Mexico and not be found." Unsubstantiated, hyperbolic garbage. What's ridiculous is your naivety towards that situation where they do commit murders and simply go back to their home, and goes for ALL immigrants from everywhere. That happens. There's absolutely instances of people committing murders, and simply heading back over the border. Get out from under the rock. If you think that's far fetched to have heard from people that they could do this or that, and then just simply go back across the border, then you aren't out there amongst the people, etc... |
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Post by aztecryan on May 15, 2021 14:21:28 GMT -8
Ah, yes...The "I know Mexicans" line. That was predictable. Dogwhistling so loud it's deafening. Whoever comes over needs to be vetted...cool. That's already a thing. Dangerous in what way? You bring up generalities and can't point to anything definitive that's specific in nature. Literally you posted something as ridiculous as "I have heard personally someone say they could kill a person and go to Mexico and not be found." Unsubstantiated, hyperbolic garbage. What's ridiculous is your naivety towards that situation where they do commit murders and simply go back to their home, and goes for ALL immigrants from everywhere. That happens. There's absolutely instances of people committing murders, and simply heading back over the border. Get out from under the rock. If you think that's far fetched to have heard from people that they could do this or that, and then just simply go back across the border, then you aren't out there amongst the people, etc... There are instances for everything - That's how statistics work. If you look hard enough, you can find a statistic for everything. Cows kill more people than sharks, for example.. What you're missing is the word "comparison." - Legal, documented people commit far more crimes, both violent and non-violent, than do undocumented citizens. Whether it's far-fetched or not is irrelevant. It's plain stupid, uncorroborated hearsay that is no proof of anything. THAT'S the problem here. Your justifications are based in faulty foundations and you fail to recognize that. But yes, please go on. Dan Crenshaw would be proud. |
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Post by johneaztec on May 15, 2021 14:54:01 GMT -8
What's ridiculous is your naivety towards that situation where they do commit murders and simply go back to their home, and goes for ALL immigrants from everywhere. That happens. There's absolutely instances of people committing murders, and simply heading back over the border. Get out from under the rock. If you think that's far fetched to have heard from people that they could do this or that, and then just simply go back across the border, then you aren't out there amongst the people, etc... There are instances for everything - That's how statistics work. If you look hard enough, you can find a statistic for everything. Cows kill more people than sharks, for example.. What you're missing is the word "comparison." - Legal, documented people commit far more crimes, both violent and non-violent, than do undocumented citizens. Whether it's far-fetched or not is irrelevant. It's plain stupid, uncorroborated hearsay that is no proof of anything. THAT'S the problem here. Your justifications are based in faulty foundations and you fail to recognize that. But yes, please go on. Dan Crenshaw would be proud. Try telling that to a parent who lost a child due to the violence of someone who shouldn't have been here. Get a grip. |
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Post by uwphoto on May 15, 2021 15:36:55 GMT -8
There are instances for everything - That's how statistics work. If you look hard enough, you can find a statistic for everything. Cows kill more people than sharks, for example.. What you're missing is the word "comparison." - Legal, documented people commit far more crimes, both violent and non-violent, than do undocumented citizens. Whether it's far-fetched or not is irrelevant. It's plain stupid, uncorroborated hearsay that is no proof of anything. THAT'S the problem here. Your justifications are based in faulty foundations and you fail to recognize that. But yes, please go on. Dan Crenshaw would be proud. Try telling that to a parent who lost a child due to the violence of someone who shouldn't have been here. Get a grip. Just food for thought: Ted Bundy, Wayne Gacey, Zodiac, Green River killer, Richard Ramirez, Charles Manson and on and on..I wish the home grown guys weren't so bad. |
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Post by johneaztec on May 15, 2021 15:57:49 GMT -8
Try telling that to a parent who lost a child due to the violence of someone who shouldn't have been here. Get a grip. Classy. Classless. |
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