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Post by aardvark on May 5, 2021 21:24:42 GMT -8
Pham just struck out for the third time leading off😡 I have NO clue why Tingler would lead him off, when he's been just fine hitting down in the order. Maybe there's a reason for it, but don't mess with it. He's not the guy you want as the focal point to try and kick start your offense, and shake it up. 0-4, 3 Strike outs, and left MULTIPLE guys on base. Lead off Profar. Or, on occasion, Cronenworth. Or that guy that plays SS.
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Post by johneaztec on May 5, 2021 22:41:19 GMT -8
I have NO clue why Tingler would lead him off, when he's been just fine hitting down in the order. Maybe there's a reason for it, but don't mess with it. He's not the guy you want as the focal point to try and kick start your offense, and shake it up. 0-4, 3 Strike outs, and left MULTIPLE guys on base. Lead off Profar. Or, on occasion, Cronenworth. Or that guy that plays SS. Absolutely. I should have said if not Tatis or Cronenworth, pick Profar.
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Post by docmm on May 6, 2021 7:18:55 GMT -8
I know Tingler is trying his best to rest guys but I hated seeing Pham and Kim starting at the same time when we're scrambling for runs. Don't want to get too "old-school" but with a day off today, I don't understand why Machado needed two days off in a row. And why didn't he come in to play defense for Kim to close out the game after he pinch-hit? Is one inning of defense going to tire him out? He makes over $185,000 A GAME!, He can play an extra inning in the field.
I know that's on Tingler and not Manny but I hate seeing the big contract boys not play more.
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Post by sdcoug on May 6, 2021 7:41:52 GMT -8
I know Tingler is trying his best to rest guys but I hated seeing Pham and Kim starting at the same time when we're scrambling for runs. Don't want to get too "old-school" but with a day off today, I don't understand why Machado needed two days off in a row. And why didn't he come in to play defense for Kim to close out the game after he pinch-hit? Is one inning of defense going to tire him out? He makes over $185,000 A GAME!, He can play an extra inning in the field. I know that's on Tingler and not Manny but I hate seeing the big contract boys not play more. It's a long season, and if you can get 2 days off for a guy by resting him in 1 game that's the best option possible. It's like pulling a guy out a minute before the next TV timeout in a hoop game - you double his rest time without doubling the amount of time missed. And why pull Kim to play Manny 1 inning? Kim's an elite defender. If this was last year & a 60-game schedule I'd buy the argument, but this is a grind and Manny's been struggling at the plate. He needed the time off, as did Grisham. Pham had been hot, and had among the top 4 OBP on the team over the previous 15 games. He just had a bad night. Bottom line - we scored more runs last night against a better overall pitcher than we did the night before with Manny & Grisham in the line-up. Mixing things up is never a bad thing, especially over the course of a 162 game schedule. Kim needs ABs too!
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May 6, 2021 10:16:54 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on May 6, 2021 10:16:54 GMT -8
I know Tingler is trying his best to rest guys but I hated seeing Pham and Kim starting at the same time when we're scrambling for runs. Don't want to get too "old-school" but with a day off today, I don't understand why Machado needed two days off in a row. And why didn't he come in to play defense for Kim to close out the game after he pinch-hit? Is one inning of defense going to tire him out? He makes over $185,000 A GAME!, He can play an extra inning in the field. I know that's on Tingler and not Manny but I hate seeing the big contract boys not play more. It's a long season, and if you can get 2 days off for a guy by resting him in 1 game that's the best option possible. It's like pulling a guy out a minute before the next TV timeout in a hoop game - you double his rest time without doubling the amount of time missed. And why pull Kim to play Manny 1 inning? Kim's an elite defender. If this was last year & a 60-game schedule I'd buy the argument, but this is a grind and Manny's been struggling at the plate. He needed the time off, as did Grisham. Pham had been hot, and had among the top 4 OBP on the team over the previous 15 games. He just had a bad night.  Bottom line - we scored more runs last night against a better overall pitcher than we did the night before with Manny & Grisham in the line-up. Mixing things up is never a bad thing, especially over the course of a 162 game schedule. Kim needs ABs too! I agree, but I wouldn't have put Pham at leadoff. He had been doing well hitting towards the bottom. Don't mess with it yet. There are definitely better options than him to leadoff. He felt the pressure again, and these were the results. Maybe Tingler wanted to give him another shot at leadoff, but I hope he learned his lesson now.
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May 6, 2021 11:14:56 GMT -8
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Post by sdcoug on May 6, 2021 11:14:56 GMT -8
It's a long season, and if you can get 2 days off for a guy by resting him in 1 game that's the best option possible. It's like pulling a guy out a minute before the next TV timeout in a hoop game - you double his rest time without doubling the amount of time missed. And why pull Kim to play Manny 1 inning? Kim's an elite defender. If this was last year & a 60-game schedule I'd buy the argument, but this is a grind and Manny's been struggling at the plate. He needed the time off, as did Grisham. Pham had been hot, and had among the top 4 OBP on the team over the previous 15 games. He just had a bad night. Bottom line - we scored more runs last night against a better overall pitcher than we did the night before with Manny & Grisham in the line-up. Mixing things up is never a bad thing, especially over the course of a 162 game schedule. Kim needs ABs too! I agree, but I wouldn't have put Pham at leadoff. He had been doing well hitting towards the bottom. Don't mess with it yet. There are definitely better options than him to leadoff. He felt the pressure again, and these were the results. Maybe Tingler wanted to give him another shot at leadoff, but I hope he learned his lesson now. With last nights line-up I'm not so sure. With Manny out I like Tatis hitting 3rd, so with no Grisham it's really either Cronenworth, Profar or him at the top. Over the past 15 days, Pham's hitting .286, Profar .235 & Cronenworth .220, and that's including last night. Pham's typically a pretty good OB guy. Given all that, I like Cronenworth hitting either 2nd or 6th - think they both work. The only thing I may have changed is switching Profar & Pham, but at the same time I like a top of the order that's righty/lefty/righty/lefty/righty/lefty (vs. right handers)/righty/lefty (vs. right handers). I do agree that he's been stroking better when batting 6th/7th, but at the same time you have to think since he's now stroking the ball better he could do the same if you move him around now vs. earlier in the season. It was just a bad game for him.
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May 6, 2021 13:16:27 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on May 6, 2021 13:16:27 GMT -8
I agree, but I wouldn't have put Pham at leadoff. He had been doing well hitting towards the bottom. Don't mess with it yet. There are definitely better options than him to leadoff. He felt the pressure again, and these were the results. Maybe Tingler wanted to give him another shot at leadoff, but I hope he learned his lesson now. With last nights line-up I'm not so sure. With Manny out I like Tatis hitting 3rd, so with no Grisham it's really either Cronenworth, Profar or him at the top. Over the past 15 days, Pham's hitting .286, Profar .235 & Cronenworth .220, and that's including last night. Pham's typically a pretty good OB guy. Given all that, I like Cronenworth hitting either 2nd or 6th - think they both work. The only thing I may have changed is switching Profar & Pham, but at the same time I like a top of the order that's righty/lefty/righty/lefty/righty/lefty (vs. right handers)/righty/lefty (vs. right handers). I do agree that he's been stroking better when batting 6th/7th, but at the same time you have to think since he's now stroking the ball better he could do the same if you move him around now vs. earlier in the season. It was just a bad game for him.  IMO. you don't mess with Pham AT ALL. Keep him where he's at in the order. They tried the leadoff thing with him earlier in the season and it didn't work out. I thought Profar would've been a MUCH better choice. If there's ANYBODY other than Pham that could have led off, you do that. Tingler makes that switch just as Pham was doing better. He was pressing which can happen to older players. It was too much of a risky move for him. I hope it didn't hurt his confidence.
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May 6, 2021 20:59:38 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on May 6, 2021 20:59:38 GMT -8
With last nights line-up I'm not so sure. With Manny out I like Tatis hitting 3rd, so with no Grisham it's really either Cronenworth, Profar or him at the top. Over the past 15 days, Pham's hitting .286, Profar .235 & Cronenworth .220, and that's including last night. Pham's typically a pretty good OB guy. Given all that, I like Cronenworth hitting either 2nd or 6th - think they both work. The only thing I may have changed is switching Profar & Pham, but at the same time I like a top of the order that's righty/lefty/righty/lefty/righty/lefty (vs. right handers)/righty/lefty (vs. right handers). I do agree that he's been stroking better when batting 6th/7th, but at the same time you have to think since he's now stroking the ball better he could do the same if you move him around now vs. earlier in the season. It was just a bad game for him.  IMO,you don't mess with Pham AT ALL. Keep him where he's at in the order. They tried the leadoff thing with him earlier in the season and it didn't work out. I thought Profar would've been a MUCH better choice. If there's ANYBODY other than Pham that could have led off, you do that. Tingler makes that switch just as Pham was doing better. He was pressing which can happen to older players. It was too much of a risky move for him. I hope it didn't hurt his confidence. Joyce Tingler knows what he's doing.
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May 6, 2021 21:39:27 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on May 6, 2021 21:39:27 GMT -8
IMO,you don't mess with Pham AT ALL. Keep him where he's at in the order. They tried the leadoff thing with him earlier in the season and it didn't work out. I thought Profar would've been a MUCH better choice. If there's ANYBODY other than Pham that could have led off, you do that. Tingler makes that switch just as Pham was doing better. He was pressing which can happen to older players. It was too much of a risky move for him. I hope it didn't hurt his confidence. Joyce Tingler knows what he's doing. Most of the time. I like him.
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Post by aztecryan on May 6, 2021 22:02:01 GMT -8
Joyce Tingler knows what he's doing. Most of the time. I like him. He knows more than everyone in this thread, I promise. I understand people will always find a reason to gripe over things they aren't privy to, but it's a little over the top.
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May 6, 2021 22:31:45 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on May 6, 2021 22:31:45 GMT -8
Most of the time. I like him. He knows more than everyone in this thread, I promise. I understand people will always find a reason to gripe over things they aren't privy to, but it's a little over the top. Yes, of course he knows more than anyone here, with the info we don't have, and I don't rag on him much at all, because I think he's a good Manager, but that doesn't mean he can't screw up here and there. That move of putting Pham in the leadoff spot had more than me scratching their head, for all the reasons I've described in my previous posts.
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May 6, 2021 22:45:42 GMT -8
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Post by sdcoug on May 6, 2021 22:45:42 GMT -8
He knows more than everyone in this thread, I promise. I understand people will always find a reason to gripe over things they aren't privy to, but it's a little over the top. Yes, of course he knows more than anyone here, with the info we don't have, and I don't rag on him much at all, because I think he's a good Manager, but that doesn't mean he can't screw up here and there. That move of putting Pham in the leadoff spot had more than me scratching their head, for all the reasons I've described in my previous posts. And it was perfectly understandable to many of us as well.
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May 6, 2021 23:13:41 GMT -8
Post by sdsuball on May 6, 2021 23:13:41 GMT -8
Kim's defense is unreal - 0.5 Defensive WAR in barely any playing time
They should consider using him more late in games as a defensive replacement with the lead.
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May 6, 2021 23:56:47 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on May 6, 2021 23:56:47 GMT -8
Yes, of course he knows more than anyone here, with the info we don't have, and I don't rag on him much at all, because I think he's a good Manager, but that doesn't mean he can't screw up here and there. That move of putting Pham in the leadoff spot had more than me scratching their head, for all the reasons I've described in my previous posts. And it was perfectly understandable to many of us as well. And, that's what makes the world go round.
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Post by aztecryan on May 7, 2021 8:16:50 GMT -8
He knows more than everyone in this thread, I promise. I understand people will always find a reason to gripe over things they aren't privy to, but it's a little over the top. Yes, of course he knows more than anyone here, with the info we don't have, and I don't rag on him much at all, because I think he's a good Manager, but that doesn't mean he can't screw up here and there. That move of putting Pham in the leadoff spot had more than me scratching their head, for all the reasons I've described in my previous posts. You want a good OBP guy in the leadoff spot, which Pham more than aptly fits. Without Grisham, he's the most likely candidate, given Fernando's continued struggles and the fact you want him further down the order to drive guys in (if he does snap out of the funk), while also guaranteeing he bats in the first inning. Lineups change, they are no longer static in nature with how matchups have increased their influence over decisions.
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May 7, 2021 9:31:34 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on May 7, 2021 9:31:34 GMT -8
Yes, of course he knows more than anyone here, with the info we don't have, and I don't rag on him much at all, because I think he's a good Manager, but that doesn't mean he can't screw up here and there. That move of putting Pham in the leadoff spot had more than me scratching their head, for all the reasons I've described in my previous posts. You want a good OBP guy in the leadoff spot, which Pham more than aptly fits. Without Grisham, he's the most likely candidate, given Fernando's continued struggles and the fact you want him further down the order to drive guys in (if he does snap out of the funk), while also guaranteeing he bats in the first inning. Lineups change, they are no longer static in nature with how matchups have increased their influence over decisions. That's why I wanted Profar leading off. His OBP is better than Phams.
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May 7, 2021 9:53:43 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on May 7, 2021 9:53:43 GMT -8
You want a good OBP guy in the leadoff spot, which Pham more than aptly fits. Without Grisham, he's the most likely candidate, given Fernando's continued struggles and the fact you want him further down the order to drive guys in (if he does snap out of the funk), while also guaranteeing he bats in the first inning. Lineups change, they are no longer static in nature with how matchups have increased their influence over decisions. That's why I wanted Profar leading off. His OBP is better than Phams. The difference being Pham's an actual consistent on base threat, while Profar is being buoyed by a crazy walk rate that's unlikely to maintain itself. Worth nothing, too, that Pham would have a near identical OBP if it weren't for a crazy low BABIP. Profar's also better from the left side, and with Cronenworth batting second, that's not an ideal scenario.
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May 7, 2021 11:50:56 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on May 7, 2021 11:50:56 GMT -8
That's why I wanted Profar leading off. His OBP is better than Phams. The difference being Pham's an actual consistent on base threat, while Profar is being buoyed by a crazy walk rate that's unlikely to maintain itself. Worth nothing, too, that Pham would have a near identical OBP if it weren't for a crazy low BABIP. Profar's also better from the left side, and with Cronenworth batting second, that's not an ideal scenario. Hopefully, he stays down in the order now. And, hopefully his confidence didn't take a hit with those e SO's and leaving many men on base. Keep him down in the order where he's obviously more comfortable and not pressing at this point. Profar batting left, or right handed is a better option than Pham leading off, all day, every day. Like I said, hopefully it won't happen again unless down the road he's on a tear.
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May 7, 2021 11:58:44 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on May 7, 2021 11:58:44 GMT -8
The difference being Pham's an actual consistent on base threat, while Profar is being buoyed by a crazy walk rate that's unlikely to maintain itself. Worth nothing, too, that Pham would have a near identical OBP if it weren't for a crazy low BABIP. Profar's also better from the left side, and with Cronenworth batting second, that's not an ideal scenario. Hopefully, he stays down in the order now. And, hopefully his confidence didn't take a hit with those e SO's and leaving many men on base. Keep him down in the order where he's obviously more comfortable and not pressing at this point. Profar batting left, or right handed is a better option than Pham leading off, all day, every day. Like I said, hopefully it won't happen again unless down the road he's on a tear. Absolutely not the case. And if you really think a guy is going to be rattled by striking out a few times....I mean, Tommy Pham's been through worse. If you bat Profar there, it becomes really, really easy to abuse that later on when a manager can go get a left-handed pitcher and you have Profar suddenly batting from his worse side of the plate, with Cronenworth and his 68 wRC+ career against lefties on deck. Pretty poor strategically, right?
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May 7, 2021 12:30:47 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on May 7, 2021 12:30:47 GMT -8
Hopefully, he stays down in the order now. And, hopefully his confidence didn't take a hit with those e SO's and leaving many men on base. Keep him down in the order where he's obviously more comfortable and not pressing at this point. Profar batting left, or right handed is a better option than Pham leading off, all day, every day. Like I said, hopefully it won't happen again unless down the road he's on a tear. Absolutely not the case. And if you really think a guy is going to be rattled by striking out a few times....I mean, Tommy Pham's been through worse. If you bat Profar there, it becomes really, really easy to abuse that later on when a manager can go get a left-handed pitcher and you have Profar suddenly batting from his worse side of the plate, with Cronenworth and his 68 wRC+ career against lefties on deck. Pretty poor strategically, right? No, because like I said, Profar batting from EITHER side is a better option at the leadoff position than Pham at this point. Tingler tried it, and hopefully that experiment is over, unless like I said, he's on a big tear. I'm not only talking about the 3 SO's, but also all the men he left on base and how poorly he's performed most of the year. Your confidence takes a hit, and then you start to press. The pressing part is mainly what happens. That's what I'm seeing amongst others. He'll see better pitches down in the order. Keep him there for now. This is a results league, and batting Pham in the leadoff position was a huge head scratcher, and the end result didn't make Tingler look good with that decision.
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