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May 7, 2021 13:34:08 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on May 7, 2021 13:34:08 GMT -8
Absolutely not the case. And if you really think a guy is going to be rattled by striking out a few times....I mean, Tommy Pham's been through worse. If you bat Profar there, it becomes really, really easy to abuse that later on when a manager can go get a left-handed pitcher and you have Profar suddenly batting from his worse side of the plate, with Cronenworth and his 68 wRC+ career against lefties on deck. Pretty poor strategically, right? No, because like I said, Profar batting from EITHER side is a better option at the leadoff position than Pham at this point. Tingler tried it, and hopefully that experiment is over, unless like I said, he's on a big tear. I'm not only talking about the 3 SO's, but also all the men he left on base and how poorly he's performed most of the year. Your confidence takes a hit, and then you start to press. The pressing part is mainly what happens. That's what I'm seeing amongst others. He'll see better pitches down in the order. Keep him there for now. This is a results league, and batting Pham in the leadoff position was a huge head scratcher, and the end result didn't make Tingler look good with that decision. And that's still wrong, because Profar batting from either side hurts you later in the game against any competent manager. You're once again using hindsight to justify a bogus narrative. Stop worrying about lineup construction because it isn't changing with guys being hurt/banged up and having to cover days off. Manny's nursing back and shoulder injuries. Fernando's struggling to stay healthy with the labrum. Grisham's battled hamstring and quad injuries. By the way, Profar as a right handed hitter this season is 1-22, good for a .059 average. That's better than Pham...in what way? Armchair managing doesn't work when you use results after the fact. The leadoff hitter only generally leads off once as it is.
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May 7, 2021 14:55:08 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on May 7, 2021 14:55:08 GMT -8
No, because like I said, Profar batting from EITHER side is a better option at the leadoff position than Pham at this point. Tingler tried it, and hopefully that experiment is over, unless like I said, he's on a big tear. I'm not only talking about the 3 SO's, but also all the men he left on base and how poorly he's performed most of the year. Your confidence takes a hit, and then you start to press. The pressing part is mainly what happens. That's what I'm seeing amongst others. He'll see better pitches down in the order. Keep him there for now. This is a results league, and batting Pham in the leadoff position was a huge head scratcher, and the end result didn't make Tingler look good with that decision. And that's still wrong, because Profar batting from either side hurts you later in the game against any competent manager. You're once again using hindsight to justify a bogus narrative. Stop worrying about lineup construction because it isn't changing with guys being hurt/banged up and having to cover days off. Manny's nursing back and shoulder injuries. Fernando's struggling to stay healthy with the labrum. Grisham's battled hamstring and quad injuries. By the way, Profar as a right handed hitter this season is 1-22, good for a .059 average. That's better than Pham...in what way? Armchair managing doesn't work when you use results after the fact. The leadoff hitter only generally leads off once as it is. Nope, not using hindsight. When I saw the lineup, I was immediately concerned and thought, what the heck is Tingler doing? No armchair. Profar is, and will be a better option from either side of the plate anywhere in the lineup, opposed to Pham. You can try to spin it all you want. Also, like you say, if you only leadoff once in a game, using your criteria, then why not leadoff Tatis in that game? Do you know how many runners Pham left in scoring position? A LOT. You only use the 1-22 situations when it fits your narrative, like you do in many other scenarios. Pham can go 1-22, but you'll say he'll be alright with all the injuries and other excuses you can come up with. I don't use that after a certain amount of time goes by. I hold them accountable. To each his own.
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May 7, 2021 19:14:06 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on May 7, 2021 19:14:06 GMT -8
And that's still wrong, because Profar batting from either side hurts you later in the game against any competent manager. You're once again using hindsight to justify a bogus narrative. Stop worrying about lineup construction because it isn't changing with guys being hurt/banged up and having to cover days off. Manny's nursing back and shoulder injuries. Fernando's struggling to stay healthy with the labrum. Grisham's battled hamstring and quad injuries. By the way, Profar as a right handed hitter this season is 1-22, good for a .059 average. That's better than Pham...in what way? Armchair managing doesn't work when you use results after the fact. The leadoff hitter only generally leads off once as it is. Nope, not using hindsight. When I saw the lineup, I was immediately concerned and thought, what the heck is Tingler doing? No armchair. Profar is, and will be a better option from either side of the plate anywhere in the lineup, opposed to Pham. You can try to spin it all you want. Also, like you say, if you only leadoff once in a game, using your criteria, then why not leadoff Tatis in that game? Do you know how many runners Pham left in scoring position? A LOT. You only use the 1-22 situations when it fits your narrative, like you do in many other scenarios. Pham can go 1-22, but you'll say he'll be alright with all the injuries and other excuses you can come up with. I don't use that after a certain amount of time goes by. I hold them accountable. To each his own. And you can be proven wrong statistically over and over and over again. That's fine. You stated Profar would be better from either side of the plate. Statistically speaking, that's woefully inaccurate. Pham's been on a roll and had a bad game. Welcome to baseball.
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May 7, 2021 20:45:20 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on May 7, 2021 20:45:20 GMT -8
Nope, not using hindsight. When I saw the lineup, I was immediately concerned and thought, what the heck is Tingler doing? No armchair. Profar is, and will be a better option from either side of the plate anywhere in the lineup, opposed to Pham. You can try to spin it all you want. Also, like you say, if you only leadoff once in a game, using your criteria, then why not leadoff Tatis in that game? Do you know how many runners Pham left in scoring position? A LOT. You only use the 1-22 situations when it fits your narrative, like you do in many other scenarios. Pham can go 1-22, but you'll say he'll be alright with all the injuries and other excuses you can come up with. I don't use that after a certain amount of time goes by. I hold them accountable. To each his own. And you can be proven wrong statistically over and over and over again. That's fine. You stated Profar would be better from either side of the plate. Statistically speaking, that's woefully inaccurate. Pham's been on a roll and had a bad game. Welcome to baseball. Lol. Your thoughts on a player being "on a roll" are MUCH different than mine. You must have very low expectations. Wait a minute, I get it. Maybe you meant "on a roll" for a Pham, opposed to a higher caliber player. Ok.
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May 7, 2021 20:57:28 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on May 7, 2021 20:57:28 GMT -8
And you can be proven wrong statistically over and over and over again. That's fine. You stated Profar would be better from either side of the plate. Statistically speaking, that's woefully inaccurate. Pham's been on a roll and had a bad game. Welcome to baseball. Lol. Your thoughts on a player being "on a roll" are MUCH different than mine. You must have very low expectations. Wait a minute, I get it. Maybe you meant "on a roll" for a Pham, opposed to a higher caliber player. Ok. Considering you think 1-22 is good, I'll take that as a compliment. From April 21st through May 4th, he hit .350. Yes, all of his hits were singles. But I don't see many other Padres doing much of anything offensively, either.
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May 7, 2021 21:22:18 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on May 7, 2021 21:22:18 GMT -8
Lol. Your thoughts on a player being "on a roll" are MUCH different than mine. You must have very low expectations. Wait a minute, I get it. Maybe you meant "on a roll" for a Pham, opposed to a higher caliber player. Ok. Considering you think 1-22 is good, I'll take that as a compliment. From April 21st through May 4th, he hit .350. Yes, all of his hits were singles. But I don't see many other Padres doing much of anything offensively, either. I brought up 1-22 to show that you would have spun that in Phams favor real quick like with excuses, and since you brought up OBP, which is an important indicator for a leadoff guy, Profar has a better one. If Grisham, or Machado played, this is a moot point since Tatis could've led off and Grisham would have for sure. I agree there's not much of a choice here based on how poorly we've hit. I don't know how many guys Pham has left on base, but it's got to be A LOT. His hits also seem to be meaningless and not when it counts, thus the horrible amount of RISP.
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May 7, 2021 22:04:05 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on May 7, 2021 22:04:05 GMT -8
Considering you think 1-22 is good, I'll take that as a compliment. From April 21st through May 4th, he hit .350. Yes, all of his hits were singles. But I don't see many other Padres doing much of anything offensively, either. I brought up 1-22 to show that you would have spun that in Phams favor real quick like with excuses, and since you brought up OBP, which is an important indicator for a leadoff guy, Profar has a better one. If Grisham, or Machado played, this is a moot point since Tatis could've led off and Grisham would have for sure. I agree there's not much of a choice here based on how poorly we've hit. I don't know how many guys Pham has left on base, but it's got to be ALOT. His hits also seem to be meaningless and not when it counts, thus the horrible amount of RISP. Is Pham the only one leaving runners on?
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May 7, 2021 22:08:36 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on May 7, 2021 22:08:36 GMT -8
I brought up 1-22 to show that you would have spun that in Phams favor real quick like with excuses, and since you brought up OBP, which is an important indicator for a leadoff guy, Profar has a better one. If Grisham, or Machado played, this is a moot point since Tatis could've led off and Grisham would have for sure. I agree there's not much of a choice here based on how poorly we've hit. I don't know how many guys Pham has left on base, but it's got to be ALOT. His hits also seem to be meaningless and not when it counts, thus the horrible amount of RISP. Is Pham the only one leaving runners on? No, and that's why I said it's not like there's a lot of good choices. You can bat Pham at leadoff or Profar, and you're not going to get consistent results. Grisham, and Tatis? Yes. I simply picked who I thought was the lesser of two evils, so to speak between the two, Profar. This subject is over for me, since Pham and Profar are two batters that aren't worth debating who should be leading off.
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Post by junior on May 12, 2021 12:35:48 GMT -8
LOL. Just watched Tommy "Where's the Ball" Pham blow another fielding chance. Then two pitches later, he misses another. Luckily, this didn't lead to runs scored, but it did lead to the starter having to throw more pitches to get out of the inning.
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May 12, 2021 13:07:48 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on May 12, 2021 13:07:48 GMT -8
LOL. Just watched Tommy "Where's the Ball" Pham blow another fielding chance. Then two pitches later, he misses another. Luckily, this didn't lead to runs scored, but it did lead to the starter having to throw more pitches to get out of the inning. That was not a good look(s).
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Post by junior on May 12, 2021 13:40:28 GMT -8
Wow, inning six, Pham just plain drops the ball. I get that the Padres are down some players right now and there's really no one else available, but Pham is a complete liability in the outfield today … and now with Mr. Goofy Arm in the game, there goes any easy ending this game might've had. At least Tingler didn't wait until the Rockies were ahead to make a switch.
Come on Padres, it's the Rockies.
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May 12, 2021 13:48:26 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on May 12, 2021 13:48:26 GMT -8
Wow, inning six, Pham just plain drops the ball. I get that the Padres are down some players right now and there's really no one else available, but Pham is a complete liability in the outfield today … and now with Mr. Goofy Arm in the game, there goes any easy ending this game might've had. At least Tingler didn't wait until the Rockies were ahead to make a switch. Come on Padres. He's killin us right now.
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May 12, 2021 13:56:03 GMT -8
Post by junior on May 12, 2021 13:56:03 GMT -8
Padres defense is in last place in errors. In all of MLB. 31 or 32 now maybe more after today, in about as many games. Good grief. Tatis is responsible for about 1/3 of the errors, but he can't be blamed today. And I don't care if the Dodgers are right there with them. The Gigantes have half as many defensive errors as the Padres at this point.
Sloppy play is not a hallmark of a team thinking they'll be playing in October.
Well, step one in the cure was pulling Pham off the field, and so that happened the 7th.
What would Dick Williams do?
And on that last out? Keystone Cops in right field. SMFH.
A win's a win.
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May 14, 2021 20:26:52 GMT -8
Post by sdsuball on May 14, 2021 20:26:52 GMT -8
Padres defense is in last place in errors. In all of MLB. 31 or 32 now maybe more after today, in about as many games. Good grief. Tatis is responsible for about 1/3 of the errors, but he can't be blamed today. And I don't care if the Dodgers are right there with them. The Gigantes have half as many defensive errors as the Padres at this point. Sloppy play is not a hallmark of a team thinking they'll be playing in October. Well, step one in the cure was pulling Pham off the field, and so that happened the 7th. What would Dick Williams do?And on that last out? Keystone Cops in right field. SMFH. A win's a win. Pham's defense is much more concerning then his slow start to the season IMO. It really makes you wonder if he was ever fully able to fix his contacts situation, or what. For example, while Kim's bat has been at the mendoza line this year, his defense has been spectacular. The same cannot be said of Pham. Honestly, if this continues I think that we should demote or trade him. Absolutely no excuses for that poor of defensive play at a corner infield position.
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May 14, 2021 23:07:07 GMT -8
Post by aardvark on May 14, 2021 23:07:07 GMT -8
In 67 games over parts of 2 seasons with the Padres, Pham is hitting .199, in 243 plate appearances. Fortunately for Pham, he hasn't tested positive for Covid, so he keeps playing.
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May 15, 2021 8:25:54 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on May 15, 2021 8:25:54 GMT -8
In 67 games over parts of 2 seasons with the Padres, Pham is hitting .199, in 243 plate appearances. Fortunately for Pham, he hasn't tested positive for Covid, so he keeps playing. He just hasn't gotten it done. Numbers don't lie. He'll have a 2-4 day and then look horrible at the plate, and in the field for a long stretch. Barring some miraculous recovery, he should only be good for a pinch hit, or a spot start once we're at full strength, despite what a couple others on here may think. Many of us have felt this way. No more EXCUSES. Tingler may play it differently. We'll see.
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May 15, 2021 17:04:57 GMT -8
Post by junior on May 15, 2021 17:04:57 GMT -8
Batting cleanup on Saturday night. That's the ticket… And right on the mark with a first inning HR… just his 2nd extra base hit.
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May 15, 2021 17:07:31 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on May 15, 2021 17:07:31 GMT -8
Batting cleanup on Saturday night. That's the ticket… And right on the mark with a first inning HR… just his 2nd extra base hit. Hopefully this gets him on a roll. Wow, only his second extra base hit.
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Post by azteca on May 15, 2021 17:20:01 GMT -8
Happy to see it. But, boy, as Mark Grant would put it, “ you hangy, me bangy”
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Post by junior on May 15, 2021 18:32:18 GMT -8
Adam Wainwright is careening towards the end of his career. He was a great one. But at 39, he's just not putting the ball where he wants it consistently, and his mistakes are getting pounded by the Padres AAAA contingent.
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