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May 3, 2021 11:09:57 GMT -8
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Post by sdsuball on May 3, 2021 11:09:57 GMT -8
Padres OPS leaders last 15 days: 1. Tatis 1.126 2. Pham .818 3. Grisham. .794 Over the past 7 days (limited ABs): 1. Pham. 1.056 2. Mateo 1.000 3. Grisham. 979 4. Profar. .945 It's way too early to give up on Mateo or our bench overall. Kim also hasn't been terrible, although would like to see him get more regular ABs (i.e. 1+ starts a week). When Nola gets his timing our bench could be relatively solid. Not power filled, but guys who can contribute in very different ways. Yeah I think that Kim needs more starts as well, even if it's just one start every series, or every other series. Hopefully they give Manny or Hozzy a day off against Pitt. and let Kim get into the game.
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May 3, 2021 11:23:06 GMT -8
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Post by sdcoug on May 3, 2021 11:23:06 GMT -8
Padres OPS leaders last 15 days: 1. Tatis 1.126 2. Pham .818 3. Grisham. .794 Over the past 7 days (limited ABs): 1. Pham. 1.056 2. Mateo 1.000 3. Grisham. 979 4. Profar. .945 It's way too early to give up on Mateo or our bench overall. Kim also hasn't been terrible, although would like to see him get more regular ABs (i.e. 1+ starts a week). When Nola gets his timing our bench could be relatively solid. Not power filled, but guys who can contribute in very different ways. Well, to me, Mateo is overwhelmed by MLB pitching overall. He brings speed to the table and every squirrel finds a nut, but he needs more at bats in AAA at some point. I'll be pleasantly surprised if he all of a sudden gets it, and start looking like a different hitter. If you're going to say that then you have to say the same for Kim & Caratini. Mateo strikes out at a lesser rate & has hit for more power than either of those guys on the year, as well as over the past 15 days. He has more total bases per AB than either of them, as well as others. Even if you look at Barrels per PA, Mateo's 2nd on the entire team at 8.1% trailing only Tatis. Mateo definitely needs ABs to get better, but singling him out IMO isn't accurate either.
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Post by aztecryan on May 3, 2021 11:45:03 GMT -8
Well, to me, Mateo is overwhelmed by MLB pitching overall. He brings speed to the table and every squirrel finds a nut, but he needs more at bats in AAA at some point. I'll be pleasantly surprised if he all of a sudden gets it, and start looking like a different hitter. If you're going to say that then you have to say the same for Kim & Caratini. Mateo strikes out at a lesser rate & has hit for more power than either of those guys on the year, as well as over the past 15 days. He has more total bases per AB than either of them, as well as others. Even if you look at Barrels per PA, Mateo's 2nd on the entire team at 8.1% trailing only Tatis. Mateo definitely needs ABs to get better, but singling him out IMO isn't accurate either. Mateo's track record beyond this year is pretty telling. I'm not basing conclusions on 29 games for anyone. But his minor league track record and scouting report consistently match up with his performance.
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Post by sdcoug on May 3, 2021 11:57:54 GMT -8
If you're going to say that then you have to say the same for Kim & Caratini. Mateo strikes out at a lesser rate & has hit for more power than either of those guys on the year, as well as over the past 15 days. He has more total bases per AB than either of them, as well as others. Even if you look at Barrels per PA, Mateo's 2nd on the entire team at 8.1% trailing only Tatis. Mateo definitely needs ABs to get better, but singling him out IMO isn't accurate either. Mateo's track record beyond this year is pretty telling. I'm not basing conclusions on 29 games for anyone. But his minor league track record and scouting report consistently match up with his performance. So you're saying he can't improve with more time in the majors despite the fact his BA% is 60 pts higher this year compared to last year, his OBP & SLG% are both around 100+ points higher, and his OPS is nearly 200 points higher over basically the same timeframe & number of at bats? What does that say about Caratini, and does that imply that Kim's not going to improve either? I get that you don't like Mateo, but IMO he's improving and serves a purpose on this roster right now and I don't see anyone at the alternate site worthy of giving up on him for. Especially when he was 2-5 & a knock during his last start. If he slides or hovers where he's at in June & if someone in AAA is raking & can't be ignored then I could see having this discussion.
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Post by aztecryan on May 3, 2021 12:24:36 GMT -8
Mateo's track record beyond this year is pretty telling. I'm not basing conclusions on 29 games for anyone. But his minor league track record and scouting report consistently match up with his performance. So you're saying he can't improve with more time in the majors despite the fact his BA% is 60 pts higher this year compared to last year, his OBP & SLG% are both around 100+ points higher, and his OPS is nearly 200 points higher over basically the same timeframe & number of at bats? What does that say about Caratini, and does that imply that Kim's not going to improve either? I get that you don't like Mateo, but IMO he's improving and serves a purpose on this roster right now and I don't see anyone at the alternate site worthy of giving up on him for. Especially when he was 2-5 & a knock during his last start. If he slides or hovers where he's at in June & if someone in AAA is raking & can't be ignored then I could see having this discussion. Kim and Caratini are irrelevant to this discussion. This is about Mateo, a soon-to-be 26 year old who has bounced around organizations because he's limited offensively and lacks a feel for hitting. It has nothing to do with me not liking him, either. He's had some fun moments in a Padre uniform. I'm not judging this based off 37 plate appearances, either. O'Grady is likely a better option, but he has options available to him, which is why he went down to Peoria.
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May 3, 2021 12:42:25 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on May 3, 2021 12:42:25 GMT -8
Well, to me, Mateo is overwhelmed by MLB pitching overall. He brings speed to the table and every squirrel finds a nut, but he needs more at bats in AAA at some point. I'll be pleasantly surprised if he all of a sudden gets it, and start looking like a different hitter. If you're going to say that then you have to say the same for Kim & Caratini. Mateo strikes out at a lesser rate & has hit for more power than either of those guys on the year, as well as over the past 15 days. He has more total bases per AB than either of them, as well as others. Even if you look at Barrels per PA, Mateo's 2nd on the entire team at 8.1% trailing only Tatis. Mateo definitely needs ABs to get better, but singling him out IMO isn't accurate either. I'm solely talking about Mateo. His track record has proven that he needs A LOT of ab's in the Minors. And, he's not incredibly valuable in the field as well. Now, if you want to talk about what he can do if he ever gets on base.....
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May 3, 2021 13:18:59 GMT -8
Post by sdcoug on May 3, 2021 13:18:59 GMT -8
So you're saying he can't improve with more time in the majors despite the fact his BA% is 60 pts higher this year compared to last year, his OBP & SLG% are both around 100+ points higher, and his OPS is nearly 200 points higher over basically the same timeframe & number of at bats? What does that say about Caratini, and does that imply that Kim's not going to improve either? I get that you don't like Mateo, but IMO he's improving and serves a purpose on this roster right now and I don't see anyone at the alternate site worthy of giving up on him for. Especially when he was 2-5 & a knock during his last start. If he slides or hovers where he's at in June & if someone in AAA is raking & can't be ignored then I could see having this discussion. Kim and Caratini are irrelevant to this discussion. This is about Mateo, a soon-to-be 26 year old who has bounced around organizations because he's limited offensively and lacks a feel for hitting. It has nothing to do with me not liking him, either. He's had some fun moments in a Padre uniform. I'm not judging this based off 37 plate appearances, either. O'Grady is likely a better option, but he has options available to him, which is why he went down to Peoria. Disagree. If you're trashing our bench & looking to improve the team & believe Mateo should be traded/released, then you have to look at other players who have performed just as badly if not worse offensively. You've basically said Mateo is worthless offensively, well that means we have several players who are worthless if that's true. The 10-day IL is always an option if a team doesn't have options & wants to test someone at this level. They don't actually need to be injured. They haven't chosen to do so with Mateo, probably because they see more in him than you do.
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May 3, 2021 13:41:31 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on May 3, 2021 13:41:31 GMT -8
I think Mateo adds a lot of value with that speed. I think tbe Pads are hoping he can get on base, some how, some way. If they want to keep him up there, fine, I just think he really needs more AB,s on a consistent level.
Kim's more versatile because of his defense and the positions he plays, which makes him more valuable.
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May 3, 2021 13:55:13 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on May 3, 2021 13:55:13 GMT -8
Kim and Caratini are irrelevant to this discussion. This is about Mateo, a soon-to-be 26 year old who has bounced around organizations because he's limited offensively and lacks a feel for hitting. It has nothing to do with me not liking him, either. He's had some fun moments in a Padre uniform. I'm not judging this based off 37 plate appearances, either. O'Grady is likely a better option, but he has options available to him, which is why he went down to Peoria. Disagree. If you're trashing our bench & looking to improve the team & believe Mateo should be traded/released, then you have to look at other players who have performed just as badly if not worse offensively. You've basically said Mateo is worthless offensively, well that means we have several players who are worthless if that's true. The 10-day IL is always an option if a team doesn't have options & wants to test someone at this level. They don't actually need to be injured. They haven't chosen to do so with Mateo, probably because they see more in him than you do. It's not true because you're ignoring context. Kim's ceiling is dramatically higher and this is his first season of professional baseball stateside. A natural acclimation (culturally and baseball-wise) was inevitable. He's not like Mateo in any capacity, as he brings above average defensive value at multiple positions. Caratini's skillset is textbook for the role he provides, a backup catcher who calls a solid game and runs a pitching staff. Mateo's entire skillset is built around one tool : Speed. If you can't access that tool, it's largely null and void. Hard to use the IL when Pham has been hurt, Myers has been hurt and Grisham missed a chunk of games. Mateo's here because he's out of options.
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Post by sdcoug on May 3, 2021 13:58:39 GMT -8
Disagree. If you're trashing our bench & looking to improve the team & believe Mateo should be traded/released, then you have to look at other players who have performed just as badly if not worse offensively. You've basically said Mateo is worthless offensively, well that means we have several players who are worthless if that's true. The 10-day IL is always an option if a team doesn't have options & wants to test someone at this level. They don't actually need to be injured. They haven't chosen to do so with Mateo, probably because they see more in him than you do. It's not true because you're ignoring context. Kim's ceiling is dramatically higher and this is his first season of professional baseball stateside. A natural acclimation (culturally and baseball-wise) was inevitable. He's not like Mateo in any capacity, as he brings above average defensive value at multiple positions. Caratini's skillset is textbook for the role he provides, a backup catcher who calls a solid game and runs a pitching staff. Mateo's entire skillset is built around one tool : Speed. If you can't access that tool, it's largely null and void. Hard to use the IL when Pham has been hurt, Myers has been hurt and Grisham missed a chunk of games. Mateo's here because he's out of options. I hope you're wrong & Mateo continues the growth in his stats we've seen YOY.
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May 3, 2021 18:16:39 GMT -8
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Post by aztecryan on May 3, 2021 18:16:39 GMT -8
It's not true because you're ignoring context. Kim's ceiling is dramatically higher and this is his first season of professional baseball stateside. A natural acclimation (culturally and baseball-wise) was inevitable. He's not like Mateo in any capacity, as he brings above average defensive value at multiple positions. Caratini's skillset is textbook for the role he provides, a backup catcher who calls a solid game and runs a pitching staff. Mateo's entire skillset is built around one tool : Speed. If you can't access that tool, it's largely null and void. Hard to use the IL when Pham has been hurt, Myers has been hurt and Grisham missed a chunk of games. Mateo's here because he's out of options. I hope you're wrong & Mateo continues the growth in his stats we've seen YOY. Hey, me too. I want him to stick as his speed is valuable in a playoff scenario. But he has to be able to hit at some point. His 2.3% walk rate doesn't instill a ton of confidence in pitch recognition, which has been the MO on him in the Oakland organization and the Yankee organization.
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Post by azson on May 4, 2021 8:49:06 GMT -8
Even though still at .200, great AB by Pham last night for the GW RBI sac fly.
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May 4, 2021 12:01:21 GMT -8
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Post by sdcoug on May 4, 2021 12:01:21 GMT -8
Even though still at .200, great AB by Pham last night for the GW RBI sac fly. Terrific AB. He's been raking for nearly 3 weeks now so hopefully it's a good sign of things to come. The thing with him is it was all bound to happen, as has been talked about ad nauseum here. He's been barreling & hitting the ball as hard as anyone for most of the year. It annoys me when I see people questioning him being in the starting line-up - he should be starting at least 2 of every 3 games. Speaking of the Mendoza-line, I found it interesting that the league average BA% is only .233 this year, so if you're hovering in the .220 range you're not that far from average. Heck, Mendoza (who was a .215 hitter) we be close to "average" these days. Worse, the league OB% is .310 & slugging is .393, so anyone with a OPS of .650 is nearly the middle of the pack. All are lows over at least the past 5 years. Shows how pitching has changed, as well as a changed mentality at the plate (i.e. see ball hit it hard vs. just put the ball in place, etc.). Over the past 15 days the guys at or above that .650 OPS threshold are Tatis, Grisham, Pham, Profar & Mateo, who's at .643, while guys who are really struggling of late are Jake (.543), Myers (.479) & Machado (.475). I never worry about Machado though....
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May 4, 2021 12:45:08 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on May 4, 2021 12:45:08 GMT -8
Even though still at .200, great AB by Pham last night for the GW RBI sac fly. Terrific AB. He's been raking for nearly 3 weeks now so hopefully it's a good sign of things to come. The thing with him is it was all bound to happen, as has been talked about ad nauseum here. He's been barreling & hitting the ball as hard as anyone for most of the year. It annoys me when I see people questioning him being in the starting line-up - he should be starting at least 2 of every 3 games. Speaking of the Mendoza-line, I found it interesting that the league average BA% is only .233 this year, so if you're hovering in the .220 range you're not that far from average. Heck, Mendoza (who was a .215 hitter) we be close to "average" these days. Worse, the league OB% is .310 & slugging is .393, so anyone with a OPS of .650 is nearly the middle of the pack. All are lows over at least the past 5 years. Shows how pitching has changed, as well as a changed mentality at the plate (i.e. see ball hit it hard vs. just put the ball in place, etc.). Over the past 15 days the guys at or above that .650 OPS threshold are Tatis, Grisham, Pham, Profar & Mateo, who's at .643, while guys who are really struggling of late are Jake (.543), Myers (.479) & Machado (.475). I never worry about Machado though.... I agree to start Pham whenever Tingler wants to. Keep him in the lower part of the order. It seemed to take the pressure off, and he's starting to come around.
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Even though still at .200, great AB by Pham last night for the GW RBI sac fly. Terrific AB. He's been raking for nearly 3 weeks now so hopefully it's a good sign of things to come. The thing with him is it was all bound to happen, as has been talked about ad nauseum here. He's been barreling & hitting the ball as hard as anyone for most of the year. It annoys me when I see people questioning him being in the starting line-up - he should be starting at least 2 of every 3 games. Speaking of the Mendoza-line, I found it interesting that the league average BA% is only .233 this year, so if you're hovering in the .220 range you're not that far from average. Heck, Mendoza (who was a .215 hitter) we be close to "average" these days. Worse, the league OB% is .310 & slugging is .393, so anyone with a OPS of .650 is nearly the middle of the pack. All are lows over at least the past 5 years. Shows how pitching has changed, as well as a changed mentality at the plate (i.e. see ball hit it hard vs. just put the ball in place, etc.). Over the past 15 days the guys at or above that .650 OPS threshold are Tatis, Grisham, Pham, Profar & Mateo, who's at .643, while guys who are really struggling of late are Jake (.543), Myers (.479) & Machado (.475). I never worry about Machado though.... I am no expert, but it does seem that offense is down around the league. We know most fans want to see offense and runs.......do you think Manfred and co will move the mound back or something? Might make sense, with velocity being all the rage from the major leagues all the way down to youth sports. Heat, heat, heat. More guys are throwing 95+ than ever before. Seems like every team has 2 or 3 arms in the pen that can hit high 90's.
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Post by aztecryan on May 5, 2021 8:17:05 GMT -8
Terrific AB. He's been raking for nearly 3 weeks now so hopefully it's a good sign of things to come. The thing with him is it was all bound to happen, as has been talked about ad nauseum here. He's been barreling & hitting the ball as hard as anyone for most of the year. It annoys me when I see people questioning him being in the starting line-up - he should be starting at least 2 of every 3 games. Speaking of the Mendoza-line, I found it interesting that the league average BA% is only .233 this year, so if you're hovering in the .220 range you're not that far from average. Heck, Mendoza (who was a .215 hitter) we be close to "average" these days. Worse, the league OB% is .310 & slugging is .393, so anyone with a OPS of .650 is nearly the middle of the pack. All are lows over at least the past 5 years. Shows how pitching has changed, as well as a changed mentality at the plate (i.e. see ball hit it hard vs. just put the ball in place, etc.). Over the past 15 days the guys at or above that .650 OPS threshold are Tatis, Grisham, Pham, Profar & Mateo, who's at .643, while guys who are really struggling of late are Jake (.543), Myers (.479) & Machado (.475). I never worry about Machado though.... I am no expert, but it does seem that offense is down around the league. We know most fans want to see offense and runs.......do you think Manfred and co will move the mound back or something? Might make sense, with velocity being all the rage from the major leagues all the way down to youth sports. Heat, heat, heat. More guys are throwing 95+ than ever before. Seems like every team has 2 or 3 arms in the pen that can hit high 90's. League batting average right now is just over .230. Stop tinkering with the baseballs, stop tinkering with the rules.
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Post by sdcoug on May 5, 2021 8:48:37 GMT -8
Terrific AB. He's been raking for nearly 3 weeks now so hopefully it's a good sign of things to come. The thing with him is it was all bound to happen, as has been talked about ad nauseum here. He's been barreling & hitting the ball as hard as anyone for most of the year. It annoys me when I see people questioning him being in the starting line-up - he should be starting at least 2 of every 3 games. Speaking of the Mendoza-line, I found it interesting that the league average BA% is only .233 this year, so if you're hovering in the .220 range you're not that far from average. Heck, Mendoza (who was a .215 hitter) we be close to "average" these days. Worse, the league OB% is .310 & slugging is .393, so anyone with a OPS of .650 is nearly the middle of the pack. All are lows over at least the past 5 years. Shows how pitching has changed, as well as a changed mentality at the plate (i.e. see ball hit it hard vs. just put the ball in place, etc.). Over the past 15 days the guys at or above that .650 OPS threshold are Tatis, Grisham, Pham, Profar & Mateo, who's at .643, while guys who are really struggling of late are Jake (.543), Myers (.479) & Machado (.475). I never worry about Machado though.... I am no expert, but it does seem that offense is down around the league. We know most fans want to see offense and runs.......do you think Manfred and co will move the mound back or something? Might make sense, with velocity being all the rage from the major leagues all the way down to youth sports. Heat, heat, heat. More guys are throwing 95+ than ever before. Seems like every team has 2 or 3 arms in the pen that can hit high 90's. 2 quick things. They are tinkering with rule changes, including testing moving the mound back 1 foot in a league back east. As for high velocity, keep in mind they're measuring it differently now than they did 6-7 years ago. They're taking the velocity closer to the release point (50+ feet from the plate) rather than at the plate. Nolan Ryan would be throwing 100+ all the time with today's technology. It's interesting to note that fastball usage is actually down as well, almost mirroring the decline in BA%. I think pitchers are a) throwing more / bigger breaking balls than before given the new spin rate technology, etc., and b) throwing more "all out" since they now know they don't have to pitch into the 8th inning anymore. Add that to the batter mindset now that "hard hit %" is better than just making contact & hopefully getting lucky with flairs dropping or dribbling thru the infield. Tingler suggested the new balls "might" have something to do with it as well. But all that equates to drops. It's interesting to see so few hitters at the .285+ level these days, yet at the same time see the type of year Trout is having which is freakishly incredible.
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May 5, 2021 9:20:37 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on May 5, 2021 9:20:37 GMT -8
I am no expert, but it does seem that offense is down around the league. We know most fans want to see offense and runs.......do you think Manfred and co will move the mound back or something? Might make sense, with velocity being all the rage from the major leagues all the way down to youth sports. Heat, heat, heat. More guys are throwing 95+ than ever before. Seems like every team has 2 or 3 arms in the pen that can hit high 90's. 2 quick things. They are tinkering with rule changes, including testing moving the mound back 1 foot in a league back east. As for high velocity, keep in mind they're measuring it differently now than they did 6-7 years ago. They're talking the velocity closer to the release point (50+ feet from the plate) rather than at the plate. Nolan Ryan would be throwing 100+ all the time with today's technology. It's interesting to note that fastball usage is actually down as well, almost mirroring the decline in BA%. I think pitchers are a) throwing more / bigger breaking balls than before given the new spin rate technology, etc., and b) throwing more "all out" since they now know they don't have to pitch into the 8th inning anymore. Add that to the batter mindset now that "hard hit %" is better than just making contact & hopefully getting lucky with flairs dropping or dribbling thru the infield. Tingler suggested the new balls "might" have something to do with it as well. But all that equates to drops. It's interesting to see so few hitters at the .285+ level these days, yet at the same time see the type of year Trout is having which is freakishly incredible. Pitchers have soooo many more pitches in their arsenal nowadays. Darvish has something like 11 different pitches. It's insane. When I pitched, you possibly had a fastball, curveball, slider, screwball, and change up mainly. Now there's cutters, 2 seam, 4 seam, sinkers, split finger, etc....
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May 5, 2021 18:37:25 GMT -8
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Post by azteca on May 5, 2021 18:37:25 GMT -8
Pham just struck out for the third time leading off😡
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May 5, 2021 18:46:21 GMT -8
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Post by johneaztec on May 5, 2021 18:46:21 GMT -8
Pham just struck out for the third time leading off😡 I have NO clue why Tingler would lead him off, when he's been just fine hitting down in the order. Maybe there's a reason for it, but don't mess with it. He's not the guy you want as the focal point to try and kick start your offense, and shake it up. 0-4, 3 Strike outs, and left MULTIPLE guys on base. Lead off Profar.
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