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Post by aztecryan on May 25, 2021 11:46:02 GMT -8
Lol. You lost me at "expectations are meaningless." I think everybody in the world would love to work for you!!! So there's that. Last I checked this is a FAN PAGE made up of fans not MLB execs. So yes, expectations among a fan base are MEANINGLESS. Always have been; always will be. All they lead to are continuous bitching & whining when not met, as we've seen through 9+ page of this thread. Past 7 days: .286/.500/1.286 (3rd best OPS on team) Past 15: .205/.404/.865 (5th) Past 30: .224/.374/.775 (5th) With Grisham out for 7 more days he's arguably our best outfielder, or at least our best hitting OF. The Padres are actually smart enough to realize he's been hitting the ball well for some time & had been very unlucky. They're also smart enough to see that he's coming around, reaching base in 10 of the last 12 games he started. They're actually smart. Some in our fan base with their expectations and lack of understanding, not so much. Many turn a blink eye to anything good Pham does. PS. Since you've apparently failed to comprehend this, Pham doesn't work for you or me. But thanks for you uneducated attempt at an insult within your post. It feels like people see outrageous outliers like Fernando and Machado and automatically disregard any mitigating factors as unimportant. Pham's on a one-year deal through arbitration - This isn't an albatross hanging around the neck of the team in the slightest. It's just bizarre to have this narrative continue.
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Post by aardvark on May 25, 2021 12:32:18 GMT -8
In a perfect world, we would have someone else DH'ing, as he is not very successful as a DH in his career. All of 37 games. So...it's enough of a sample size. Except when it isn't. That about right?
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Post by sdcoug on May 25, 2021 12:49:28 GMT -8
Last I checked this is a FAN PAGE made up of fans not MLB execs. So yes, expectations among a fan base are MEANINGLESS. Always have been; always will be. All they lead to are continuous bitching & whining when not met, as we've seen through 9+ page of this thread. Past 7 days: .286/.500/1.286 (3rd best OPS on team) Past 15: .205/.404/.865 (5th) Past 30: .224/.374/.775 (5th) With Grisham out for 7 more days he's arguably our best outfielder, or at least our best hitting OF. The Padres are actually smart enough to realize he's been hitting the ball well for some time & had been very unlucky. They're also smart enough to see that he's coming around, reaching base in 10 of the last 12 games he started. They're actually smart. Some in our fan base with their expectations and lack of understanding, not so much. Many turn a blink eye to anything good Pham does. PS. Since you've apparently failed to comprehend this, Pham doesn't work for you or me. But thanks for you uneducated attempt at an insult within your post. It feels like people see outrageous outliers like Fernando and Machado and automatically disregard any mitigating factors as unimportant. Pham's on a one-year deal through arbitration - This isn't an albatross hanging around the neck of the team in the slightest. It's just bizarre to have this narrative continue. Some fans just need a whipping boy and he's been selected apparently. You're right, it doesn't make sense but does it surprise you? I've seen it every year in every sport - college & pro - and it rarely makes sense other than giving some a chance to bitch about something.
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Post by aardvark on May 25, 2021 12:59:11 GMT -8
It feels like people see outrageous outliers like Fernando and Machado and automatically disregard any mitigating factors as unimportant. Pham's on a one-year deal through arbitration - This isn't an albatross hanging around the neck of the team in the slightest. It's just bizarre to have this narrative continue. Some fans just need a whipping boy and he's been selected apparently. You're right, it doesn't make sense but does it surprise you? I've seen it every year in every sport - college & pro - and it rarely makes sense other than giving some a chance to bitch about something.
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Post by johneaztec on May 25, 2021 13:00:46 GMT -8
Lol. You lost me at "expectations are meaningless." I think everybody in the world would love to work for you!!! So there's that. Last I checked this is a FAN PAGE made up of fans not MLB execs. So yes, expectations among a fan base are MEANINGLESS. Always have been; always will be. All they lead to are continuous bitching & whining when not met, as we've seen through 9+ page of this thread. Past 7 days: .286/.500/1.286 (3rd best OPS on team) Past 15: .205/.404/.865 (5th) Past 30: .224/.374/.775 (5th) With Grisham out for 7 more days he's arguably our best outfielder, or at least our best hitting OF. The Padres are actually smart enough to realize he's been hitting the ball well for some time & had been very unlucky. They're also smart enough to see that he's coming around, reaching base in 10 of the last 12 games he started. They're actually smart. Some in our fan base with their expectations and lack of understanding, not so much. Many turn a blink eye to anything good Pham does. PS. Since you've apparently failed to comprehend this, Pham doesn't work for you or me. But thanks for you uneducated attempt at an insult within your post. You, apparently, have reading comprehension issues. I've praised Pham for the positives he brings to the table, and when he does something positive. I've also said that I like how Tingler uses him, and that he's in the lineup. I've also said that he hasn't met expectations, YET, and he's been a disappointment so far, especially with the lack of clutch hits. If the Padres are satisfied with his play so far and that he's played up to their expectations, then that would be even more disappointing. If you think it's a stretch to say that he's not playing the way he should be, then that's on you.
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Post by johneaztec on May 25, 2021 15:13:13 GMT -8
So...it's enough of a sample size. Except when it isn't. That about right? That's the theme.
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Post by sdsuball on May 25, 2021 16:18:08 GMT -8
Even if Pham has been unlucky at the plate, if he was as lucky as he 'should have been' on BAPIP, he's STILL not our second best outfielder, as someone claimed earlier he would be if he were luckier. Pham's defense has been bad, and Mateo and Profar both have better speed, which really helps them in outfield defense, running out double plays, taking extra bases, and steals. And no, Pham is not what I'm looking for in a DH either - get real.
Simply put, by several different measurements Pham is our WORST outfielder - worse then Grisham, Myers, Profar and Mateo.
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Post by aztecryan on May 25, 2021 18:51:00 GMT -8
So...it's enough of a sample size. Except when it isn't. That about right? Sample sizes aren't uniform for every circumstance. It's similar to the people who thought Franmil Reyes was going to stick in the outfield based on a half season of unsustainable metrics. Same with the folks who thought Hunter Renfroe was turning into a defensive superstar in right based on an inflated DRS metric for 50-60 games. 37 games of DH'ing across multiple seasons isn't what I would call a dramatic sample for that particular stat, no.
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Post by aztecryan on May 25, 2021 18:54:27 GMT -8
Even if Pham has been unlucky at the plate, if he was as lucky as he 'should have been' on BAPIP, he's STILL not our second best outfielder, as someone claimed earlier he would be if he were luckier. Pham's defense has been bad, and Mateo and Profar both have better speed, which really helps them in outfield defense, running out double plays, taking extra bases, and steals. And no, Pham is not what I'm looking for in a DH either - get real. Simply put, by several different measurements Pham is our WORST outfielder - worse then Grisham, Myers, Profar and Mateo. Simply not true. Profar is our worst outfielder defensively by a wide margin. His outs above average and jump metrics are literally the absolute worst they can be - He's in the first percentile. And no, his bat doesn't make up for that in any regard.
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Post by aztecryan on May 25, 2021 19:03:03 GMT -8
Really good article here.
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Post by aztecryan on May 25, 2021 19:06:52 GMT -8
So...it's enough of a sample size. Except when it isn't. That about right? That's the theme. It's not a theme - It's how statistics work. Regression is an actual thing, as is improvement. Different statistics require different interpretations. It's why things like BABIP can take 500+ at-bats to meaningfully stabilize, for example. (Fernando Tatis Jr. was the poster child for this for well over a year)...and if we're going to blast Tommy Pham over a poor April when he wasn't remotely healthy, it's important to note that in the month of May, he's a well above average league hitter.
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Post by johneaztec on May 25, 2021 19:15:20 GMT -8
It's not a theme - It's how statistics work. Regression is an actual thing, as is improvement. Different statistics require different interpretations. It's why things like BABIP can take 500+ at-bats to meaningfully stabilize, for example. (Fernando Tatis Jr. was the poster child for this for well over a year)...and if we're going to blast Tommy Pham over a poor April when he wasn't remotely healthy, it's important to note that in the month of May, he's a well above average league hitter. Definitely a much better May.
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Post by aztecryan on May 25, 2021 19:17:14 GMT -8
This thread needs some levity, so here's a Padre affiliate getting into a brawl.
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Post by aardvark on May 25, 2021 21:39:06 GMT -8
Really good article here.
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Post by aardvark on May 25, 2021 21:41:36 GMT -8
It's not a theme - It's how statistics work. Regression is an actual thing, as is improvement. Different statistics require different interpretations. It's why things like BABIP can take 500+ at-bats to meaningfully stabilize, for example. (Fernando Tatis Jr. was the poster child for this for well over a year)...and if we're going to blast Tommy Pham over a poor April when he wasn't remotely healthy, it's important to note that in the month of May, he's a well above average league hitter. And yet...some people are promoting Pham for having a "great" month of May--which is a smaller sample size than his 37 games as a DH in his career.
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Post by aardvark on May 25, 2021 21:43:03 GMT -8
This thread needs some levity, so here's a Padre affiliate getting into a brawl. Great. Lots of "levity" here. And Ft Wayne blew a 7-0 lead to come-from-ahead-to-lose 12-10.
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Post by sdsuball on May 25, 2021 22:07:44 GMT -8
Look, I think that we all hope that Pham stays on a roll and that last season + this April was only a slump. But if hes around the Mendoza line come the trade deadline...
You know, it's funny but every game matters a lot because we are in the same division as the Dodgers and Giants, and because how much getting into the playoffs as a wild card vs. division winner matter for World Series chances.
So while some of the forums posters such as myself are being critical, I think that its relevant given the context. It wouldn't matter as much if we were in the NL Central.
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Post by aztecryan on May 25, 2021 22:09:07 GMT -8
It's not a theme - It's how statistics work. Regression is an actual thing, as is improvement. Different statistics require different interpretations. It's why things like BABIP can take 500+ at-bats to meaningfully stabilize, for example. (Fernando Tatis Jr. was the poster child for this for well over a year)...and if we're going to blast Tommy Pham over a poor April when he wasn't remotely healthy, it's important to note that in the month of May, he's a well above average league hitter. And yet...some people are promoting Pham for having a "great" month of May--which is a smaller sample size than his 37 games as a DH in his career. I'm not promoting anything - The entire premise of this thread was groomed out of a 20 game sample from last year and a slow April this year after the guy was nearly murdered in the offseason. I mean...Just trying to be a tiny bit sensible.
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Post by aztecryan on May 25, 2021 22:10:09 GMT -8
This thread needs some levity, so here's a Padre affiliate getting into a brawl. Great. Lots of "levity" here. And Ft Wayne blew a 7-0 lead to come-from-ahead-to-lose 12-10. I know - I just spent an hour writing it up. On the plus side, Lake Elsinore won in a comeback and San Antonio won. El Paso is just hopeless, unfortunately.
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Post by aztecryan on May 25, 2021 22:11:57 GMT -8
Look, I think that we all hope that Pham stays on a roll and that last season + this April was only a slump. But if hes around the Mendoza line come the trade deadline... You know, it's funny but every game matters a lot because we are in the same division as the Dodgers and Giants, and because how much getting into the playoffs as a wild card vs. division winner matter for World Series chances. So while some of the forums posters such as myself are being critical, I think that its relevant given the context. It wouldn't matter as much if we were in the NL Central. If Pham's hitting .200 but posting an above average OBP, I don't think anyone in the Padre brass will overreact. Of course it matters, but if we're going to go down that route, there are a host of candidates. The offense has largely been pedestrian.
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