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Post by cmonaztecs on Jan 25, 2021 16:57:32 GMT -8
Quite a spectacle I witnessed on the news today. 2 by 2 column of House reps walking over to the connecting hallway to the Senate Chambers. They've never covered this because it's the first time a POTUS has been impeached twice. Well he hasn't yet, but bullies deserve what they get. Especially with the revelation of Trumps plan to replace the AG in an attempt to overturn the election. This is getting interesting seeing the desperate side of the fall of a wannabe dictator.
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 25, 2021 17:06:58 GMT -8
Quite a spectacle I witnessed on the news today. 2 by 2 column of House reps walking over to the Senate connecting hallway over to the Senate Chambers. They've never covered this because it's the first time a POTUS has been impeached twice. Well he hasn't yet, but bullies deserve what they get. Especially with the revelation of Trumps plan to replace the AG in an attem to overturn the election. This is getting interesting seeing the desperate side of the fall of a wannabe dictator. The Senate will never vote to convict. So some will believe it's an empty measure and will repeat the hoax, witch hunt, never Trump narrative of the last 4 years. But force the Senate Republicans to put their names on record. History will remember where they stood in times of peril. |
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Jan 25, 2021 20:02:26 GMT -8
Quite a spectacle I witnessed on the news today. 2 by 2 column of House reps walking over to the Senate connecting hallway over to the Senate Chambers. They've never covered this because it's the first time a POTUS has been impeached twice. Well he hasn't yet, but bullies deserve what they get. Especially with the revelation of Trumps plan to replace the AG in an attem to overturn the election. This is getting interesting seeing the desperate side of the fall of a wannabe dictator. The Senate will never vote to convict. So some will believe it's an empty measure and will repeat the hoax, witch hunt, never Trump narrative of the last 4 years. But force the Senate Republicans to put their names on record. History will remember where they stood in times of peril. Sure, to put their names on the record stating the US Constitution should be interpreted as written when it did not give the Senate the power to impeach a private citizen who used to be President. That is going to be their narrative and they have a point. Pelosi completely fumbled this by waiting until after Trump had left office. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 25, 2021 20:25:20 GMT -8
The Senate will never vote to convict. So some will believe it's an empty measure and will repeat the hoax, witch hunt, never Trump narrative of the last 4 years. But force the Senate Republicans to put their names on record. History will remember where they stood in times of peril. Sure, to put their names on the record stating the US Constitution should be interpreted as written when it did not give the Senate the power to impeach a private citizen who used to be President. That is going to be their narrative and they have a point. Pelosi completely fumbled this by waiting until after Trump had left office. I have no interest in really talking with you anymore - Your points are hollow, false and misleading. He was impeached January 13th, while still in office. You know as well as I do that there was no point the Senate was ever going to convict Donald Trump. Ever. The GOP is a party of anti-democracy bigots who fell for the Trump party line like a bunch of fish. The GOP cares about the Constitution like you care about the truth. Zero. We have calls for "unity" while GOP scumbags like Cruz and Hawley show absolutely zero accountability. We had one impeachment where witnesses were blocked from being heard from. We have idiot extremists like Marjorie Taylor Greene trying to impeach Biden the day after he gets in office. Extremists like Lauren Boebert who should be expelled from Congress. It's the ultimate party of "unity" while sinultaneously giving the middle finger to the truth. By the way, there is historical precedent for impeachment post office. The GOP isn't arguing that in good faith, they are just wanting to avoid being held accountable for enabling what took place. The tweets of Cornyn, Cruz, Hawley and others verify that. Here, don't listen to me...take Matt Gaetz at his word. Please don't insult the people reading this into thinking that what you say has any truth to it. The GOP has one goal in mind and it's not a fact finding mission. And it sure as hell is not embracing an invisible Constitution that doesn't matter whatsoever to them. Some of us aren't quite that naive. |
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Jan 25, 2021 21:54:51 GMT -8
You know as well as I do that there was no point the Senate was ever going to convict Donald Trump. Certainly not on this. We agree. I don't understand why Pelosi would give citizen Trump this venue to be the first President to win 2 impeachment trials. If I were running the Democrats and wanting to do the maximum amount of damage I would have had Joe Biden issue a pardon for Trump like Ford did for Nixon. Trump couldn't have claimed vindication when he wins the trial because there is no fighting a pardon, and Nixon's legacy was trashed despite not being impeached. It would have been a 100% win for Democrats and Biden could have used it as evidence that he wanted unity. But no. Instead we get a divisive trial that Trump is going to win where GOP Senators claim cover in the Constitution and Biden's calls for unity ring hollow in the face of his actions. Only Pelosi could have been given that many cards to play and found a way to lose. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 25, 2021 22:15:34 GMT -8
You know as well as I do that there was no point the Senate was ever going to convict Donald Trump. Certainly not on this. We agree. I don't understand why Pelosi would give citizen Trump this venue to be the first President to win 2 impeachment trials. If I were running the Democrats and wanting to do the maximum amount of damage I would have had Joe Biden issue a pardon for Trump like Ford did for Nixon. Trump couldn't have claimed vindication when he wins the trial because there is no fighting a pardon, and Nixon's legacy was trashed despite not being impeached. It would have been a 100% win for Democrats and Biden could have used it as evidence that he wanted unity. But no. Instead we get a divisive trial that Trump is going to win where GOP Senators claim cover in the Constitution and Biden's calls for unity ring hollow in the face of his actions. Only Pelosi could have been given that many cards to play and found a way to lose. Again, sheer fallacies here. The Senate was never going to vote to convict. Pardoning Trump? For inciting insurrection? I'm going to pretend you didn't say that. Literally one of the craziest things I have ever heard. Yes, let's just pretend it didn't happen (which is what the GOP has done ever since) while people, you know, died. Pelosi did her job. McConnell and the rest of the depraved and gutless GOP Senate members don't care. They would tell you he did it, but look the other way anyway. Trump is above the law in their eyes. They've spent weeks openly lying about the Constitution, ignoring historical precedent, hypocritically calling for unity while threatening to delay confirmations and putting on a show for the folks dumb enough to believe their sincerity. They won't be able to hide during impeachment. Put their names on votes and then vote them out. Sedition has no place in our government. |
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Jan 25, 2021 22:43:08 GMT -8
Pardoning Trump? For inciting insurrection? I'm going to pretend you didn't say that. Literally one of the craziest things I have ever heard. It is called realpolitik, and your other option is to watch Trump claim an almost sure victory in a Senate trial so he can claim vindication. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 25, 2021 23:19:25 GMT -8
Pardoning Trump? For inciting insurrection? I'm going to pretend you didn't say that. Literally one of the craziest things I have ever heard. It is called realpolitik, and your other option is to watch Trump claim an almost sure victory in a Senate trial so he can claim vindication. I don't give a rat's ass about his vindication. Accountability matters. It's not about him "winning" - Acquittal isn't winning. Everyone with a brain knows he is guilty. It was on national television. They don't need witnesses, they need integrity. But we have Ted Cruz and bigots like John Cornyn. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2021 7:36:28 GMT -8
Sure, to put their names on the record stating the US Constitution should be interpreted as written when it did not give the Senate the power to impeach a private citizen who used to be President. That is going to be their narrative and they have a point. Pelosi completely fumbled this by waiting until after Trump had left office. I have no interest in really talking with you anymore - Your points are hollow, false and misleading. He was impeached January 13th, while still in office. You know as well as I do that there was no point the Senate was ever going to convict Donald Trump. Ever. The GOP is a party of anti-democracy bigots who fell for the Trump party line like a bunch of fish. The GOP cares about the Constitution like you care about the truth. Zero. We have calls for "unity" while GOP scumbags like Cruz and Hawley show absolutely zero accountability. We had one impeachment where witnesses were blocked from being heard from. We have idiot extremists like Marjorie Taylor Greene trying to impeach Biden the day after he gets in office. Extremists like Lauren Boebert who should be expelled from Congress. It's the ultimate party of "unity" while sinultaneously giving the middle finger to the truth. By the way, there is historical precedent for impeachment post office. The GOP isn't arguing that in good faith, they are just wanting to avoid being held accountable for enabling what took place. The tweets of Cornyn, Cruz, Hawley and others verify that. Here, don't listen to me...take Matt Gaetz at his word. Please don't insult the people reading this into thinking that what you say has any truth to it. The GOP has one goal in mind and it's not a fact finding mission. And it sure as hell is not embracing an invisible Constitution that doesn't matter whatsoever to them. Some of us aren't quite that naive. Ryan, While I am a fan of yours, and consider you one of the better read, more intelligent posters on AM ---it's just wrong to paint an entire party as "bigots". That's outrageous. There are bad apples in both parties, and yes -- plenty of dirtbags in the GOP. But your comment is crossing the line. I laugh at the hypocrisy in your statement about the Constitution, when it's in fact liberals like Beto O'Rourke who have referred to it as an "outdated" document and questioned its relevance, and openly questioned some of its merits. To me, the Constitution is sacred. www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/beto-orourke-asks-are-the-principles-of-the-us-constitution-still-relevant |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2021 7:38:05 GMT -8
What a shocker that California, Chicago, NYC, DC, and many other Democratic strongholds are now finding it safe to re-open their cities/states. I mean, nobody predicted that would happen RIGHT after inauguration day.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2021 7:41:41 GMT -8
I was appalled at many of Trump's actions and words after his election loss.
But our elected officials have much more on their plates to worry about than a political show for a former POTUS who is no longer in office, and is an extreme longshot to win the nomination again, at age 78 --- given his declining reputation in this country. And if you're not worried about him running in 2024, why impeach? Give me a better reason.
The GOP is not going to let the guy get the nomination in four years, no way. They would railroad him like the DNC did to Bernie (twice).
We need to focus on relations w/ Beijing, our under attack economy, and vaccine distribution. Enough of the partisan games.
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 27, 2021 8:30:55 GMT -8
I have no interest in really talking with you anymore - Your points are hollow, false and misleading. He was impeached January 13th, while still in office. You know as well as I do that there was no point the Senate was ever going to convict Donald Trump. Ever. The GOP is a party of anti-democracy bigots who fell for the Trump party line like a bunch of fish. The GOP cares about the Constitution like you care about the truth. Zero. We have calls for "unity" while GOP scumbags like Cruz and Hawley show absolutely zero accountability. We had one impeachment where witnesses were blocked from being heard from. We have idiot extremists like Marjorie Taylor Greene trying to impeach Biden the day after he gets in office. Extremists like Lauren Boebert who should be expelled from Congress. It's the ultimate party of "unity" while sinultaneously giving the middle finger to the truth. By the way, there is historical precedent for impeachment post office. The GOP isn't arguing that in good faith, they are just wanting to avoid being held accountable for enabling what took place. The tweets of Cornyn, Cruz, Hawley and others verify that. Here, don't listen to me...take Matt Gaetz at his word. Please don't insult the people reading this into thinking that what you say has any truth to it. The GOP has one goal in mind and it's not a fact finding mission. And it sure as hell is not embracing an invisible Constitution that doesn't matter whatsoever to them. Some of us aren't quite that naive. Ryan, While I am a fan of yours, and consider you one of the better read, more intelligent posters on AM ---it's just wrong to paint an entire party as "bigots". That's outrageous. There are bad apples in both parties, and yes -- plenty of dirtbags in the GOP. But your comment is crossing the line. I laugh at the hypocrisy in your statement about the Constitution, when it's in fact liberals like Beto O'Rourke who have referred to it as an "outdated" document and questioned its relevance, and openly questioned some of its merits. To me, the Constitution is sacred. www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/beto-orourke-asks-are-the-principles-of-the-us-constitution-still-relevantSorry, bud. But I call it like I see it and when I see the GOP embrace Trumpism as it has like clutching the last string of pearls, I come to the same conclusion. Very, very few in the GOP Senate even believe the former president should be held accountable for his actions. Multiple police officers now have committed suicide in the last three weeks since the insurrection occurred. Hundreds of officers were injured in some capacity. The GOP has largely stated (To clarify ; Graham, Paul, Cornyn, McCarthy, McConnell, Rubio, Cruz, Hawley, etc) that we should just move on and pretend like it never happened. John Cornyn just two days ago posted a transphobic tweet on Twitter. He openly believes in discriminating against people based on their identity/orientation. And he is far from the only one in the party to do so. Not a single member of the GOP (outside of the fence-straddlers) have called out the rampant white nationalism that represents a large chunk of the Trump base. Mike Pompeo posted a tweet shortly bwfore the inauguration that said "multiculturalism is not who we are." I'm not sure how it can be any more clear. When you promote racial inequality, sexual discrimination, disenfranchisement of Black voters, the idea tbat multiculturalism is not American, Anti-Semitic views and countless other transparent actions, you are, at your core, a bigot. Calling the Constitution "outdated" is...accurate. The Founders never planned/could not have planned for the type of event we saw on January 6th. They also couldn't have planned for impeachment during a lame duck session, or countless other things. The Constitution protected slavery until 1808. I, too, believe the Constitution is sacred. And yet we had a sham impeachment trial a year ago where no witnesses were called, no evidence laid forth and a decision rendered before the trial even commenced. Now, we have GOP members improperly stating that this impeachment is unconstitutional. That's false. We'll go through the motions here, Trump will be acquitted (again) even if he celebrated the events that took place, like we're aware he did. I'm sorry to be the one to tell you all of this. It makes me hurt for this country. But the reality is we have seen a seismic shift in candor and demeanor from the GOP that has no qualms about xenophobia, anti-immigrant stances, cruelty towards people of color and promoting basic hate. The "bad apple" defense doesn't work for me. I'm aware the Democratic party is flawed. The system itself is flawed. But there is one party here whose construct is morally bankrupt. This isn't about partisan games. Insurrection is the gravest of offenses that a president can be charged with. What we have since January 6th is the largest collective underreaction to treasonous behavior in our history. We cannot just move on. I'm not worried about a future president inciting a mob to attack Congress. I am concerned though that the laissez-faire attitude could allow for an outgoing president to shred democracy at every turn without consequence. |
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Jan 27, 2021 9:52:57 GMT -8
Ryan, While I am a fan of yours, and consider you one of the better read, more intelligent posters on AM ---it's just wrong to paint an entire party as "bigots". That's outrageous. Ryan is just repeating the narrative. While you may not be a fan of mine, I am nevertheless going to pull back the curtain a bit so you can see where this is coming from. Do you know what Critical Race Theory is and where the name comes from? Critical Race Theory is Marxism. I know how that sounds to those hearing it for the first time, but give me a moment to explain. In the 1930’s in Germany there were a group of Marxist intellectuals known collectively as the Frankfurt School. They didn’t believe Vladimir Lenin was doing true Marxism and came up with their own version called…..Critical Theory. Google search “Critical Theory” and/or “Frankfurt School” to find whatever sources you trust. They will confirm what I just wrote, and they’ll tell you that when Hitler came to power they ran from Germany to the United States. Fast forward 7 decades and Marxism never caught on in America. It wasn’t for lack of trying. America wasn’t a class-bound as Europe was, so the proletariat versus bourgeoisie motivation didn’t work. The worst of worker exploitation ended with the Guided Age in America, so “workers of the world unite!” didn’t work. There was a push claiming the rich with their high-priced lawyers faced a different justice system than the poor, but that too didn’t lead to a Marxist takeover. Their most effective idea was using global warming to claim capitalism must be dismantled, but it didn’t really go anywhere. Then a Marxist came up with the genius idea to use race. They scratched off all the references to class in the old Critical Theory works, and replaced those references with ones to races. What was once “bourgeoisie” became “white”, and what was “proletariat” became “Black” or “People of Color”. The new racialized Critical Theory was called “Critical Race Theory”. Critical Race Theory is racialized Marxism. Non-Marxist ideas are White Supremacy, and therefor if the GOP doesn’t support socialism they are supporting White Supremacy. It is a very powerful cudgel to hit your opponents with, and even those who don’t know they are spouting Marxist ideals have quickly picked it up. It isn’t a coincidence that everything is now called “bigoted”, “racist”, or “white supremacist”, and we have socialists in Congress calling for the dismantling of capitalism, and there are tankies now on AztecMesa telling us how great socialism is. It is all different parts of the same dog. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 27, 2021 10:39:28 GMT -8
Ryan, While I am a fan of yours, and consider you one of the better read, more intelligent posters on AM ---it's just wrong to paint an entire party as "bigots". That's outrageous. Ryan is just repeating the narrative. While you may not be a fan of mine, I am nevertheless going to pull back the curtain a bit so you can see where this is coming from. Do you know what Critical Race Theory is and where the name comes from? Critical Race Theory is Marxism. I know how that sounds to those hearing it for the first time, but give me a moment to explain. In the 1930’s in Germany there were a group of Marxist intellectuals known collectively as the Frankfurt School. They didn’t believe Vladimir Lenin was doing true Marxism and came up with their own version called…..Critical Theory. Google search “Critical Theory” and/or “Frankfurt School” to find whatever sources you trust. They will confirm what I just wrote, and they’ll tell you that when Hitler came to power they ran from Germany to the United States. Fast forward 7 decades and Marxism never caught on in America. It wasn’t for lack of trying. America wasn’t a class-bound as Europe was, so the proletariat versus bourgeoisie motivation didn’t work. The worst of worker exploitation ended with the Guided Age in America, so “workers of the world unite!” didn’t work. There was a push claiming the rich with their high-priced lawyers faced a different justice system than the poor, but that too didn’t lead to a Marxist takeover. Their most effective idea was using global warming to claim capitalism must be dismantled, but it didn’t really go anywhere. Then a Marxist came up with the genius idea to use race. They scratched off all the references to class in the old Critical Theory works, and replaced those references with ones to races. What was once “bourgeoisie” became “white”, and what was “proletariat” became “Black” or “People of Color”. The new racialized Critical Theory was called “Critical Race Theory”. Critical Race Theory is racialized Marxism. Non-Marxist ideas are White Supremacy, and therefor if the GOP doesn’t support socialism they are supporting White Supremacy. It is a very powerful cudgel to hit your opponents with, and even those who don’t know they are spouting Marxist ideals have quickly picked it up. It isn’t a coincidence that everything is now called “bigoted”, “racist”, or “white supremacist”, and we have socialists in Congress calling for the dismantling of capitalism, and there are tankies now on AztecMesa telling us how great socialism is. It is all different parts of the same dog. And the clown is back. Tell me what socialism has to do with equal rights for human beings? Tell me what socialism (which is the new buzzword for the morons who just want to deflect responsibility) has to do with literally anything I wrote outside of your bizarre and irrelevant construction of fantasy? Do you advocate that discrimination of people based on their gender or orientation is okay? That has absolutely nothing to do with socialism. Sorry for those of us who no longer want to ignore the dogwhistling. And you're right, it's not a coincidence....it's the truth. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2021 10:45:02 GMT -8
Ryan, While I am a fan of yours, and consider you one of the better read, more intelligent posters on AM ---it's just wrong to paint an entire party as "bigots". That's outrageous. There are bad apples in both parties, and yes -- plenty of dirtbags in the GOP. But your comment is crossing the line. I laugh at the hypocrisy in your statement about the Constitution, when it's in fact liberals like Beto O'Rourke who have referred to it as an "outdated" document and questioned its relevance, and openly questioned some of its merits. To me, the Constitution is sacred. www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/beto-orourke-asks-are-the-principles-of-the-us-constitution-still-relevantSorry, bud. But I call it like I see it and when I see the GOP embrace Trumpism as it has like clutching the last string of pearls, I come to the same conclusion. Very, very few in the GOP Senate even believe the former president should be held accountable for his actions. Multiple police officers now have committed suicide in the last three weeks since the insurrection occurred. Hundreds of officers were injured in some capacity. The GOP has largely stated (To clarify ; Graham, Paul, Cornyn, McCarthy, McConnell, Rubio, Cruz, Hawley, etc) that we should just move on and pretend like it never happened. John Cornyn just two days ago posted a transphobic tweet on Twitter. He openly believes in discriminating against people based on their identity/orientation. And he is far from the only one in the party to do so. Not a single member of the GOP (outside of the fence-straddlers) have called out the rampant white nationalism that represents a large chunk of the Trump base. Mike Pompeo posted a tweet shortly bwfore the inauguration that said "multiculturalism is not who we are." I'm not sure how it can be any more clear. When you promote racial inequality, sexual discrimination, disenfranchisement of Black voters, the idea tbat multiculturalism is not American, Anti-Semitic views and countless other transparent actions, you are, at your core, a bigot. Calling the Constitution "outdated" is...accurate. The Founders never planned/could not have planned for the type of event we saw on January 6th. They also couldn't have planned for impeachment during a lame duck session, or countless other things. The Constitution protected slavery until 1808. I, too, believe the Constitution is sacred. And yet we had a sham impeachment trial a year ago where no witnesses were called, no evidence laid forth and a decision rendered before the trial even commenced. Now, we have GOP members improperly stating that this impeachment is unconstitutional. That's false. We'll go through the motions here, Trump will be acquitted (again) even if he celebrated the events that took place, like we're aware he did. I'm sorry to be the one to tell you all of this. It makes me hurt for this country. But the reality is we have seen a seismic shift in candor and demeanor from the GOP that has no qualms about xenophobia, anti-immigrant stances, cruelty towards people of color and promoting basic hate. The "bad apple" defense doesn't work for me. I'm aware the Democratic party is flawed. The system itself is flawed. But there is one party here whose construct is morally bankrupt. This isn't about partisan games. Insurrection is the gravest of offenses that a president can be charged with. What we have since January 6th is the largest collective underreaction to treasonous behavior in our history. We cannot just move on. I'm not worried about a future president inciting a mob to attack Congress. I am concerned though that the laissez-faire attitude could allow for an outgoing president to shred democracy at every turn without consequence. There is so much inaccuracy and lies in this post....wow, where to begin? 1. "Multiple police officers now have committed suicide in the last three weeks since the insurrection occurred" ----- Ryan, please provide supporting data and facts to confirm this suggestion. I mean, I am SURE that in no way rising Police suicides are due to the leftist extremes demeaning their role, painting the entire profession corrupt due to a small % of bad apples, "defunding" requests, etc. Give me an f'ing break w/ that BS. 2. Remind me which Democratic politicians have the closest ties to Louis Farrakhan? If we're going to get into Anti-Semitism and Homphobic remarks. 3. "Sham impeachment trial", "go through the motions" ---- Yep, let's continue to spend time and taxpayer dollars for political mud slinging to impeach a private citizen who is playing 18 at Mar-A-Lago today. Brilliant. 4. "I'm sorry to be the one to tell you all of this." LMAO. Like you educated me on anything here. Laughable. 5. "But there is one party here whose construct is morally bankrupt. " Yep, and there's one party that instead of making proper adjustments and advocating for fixes, has a HUGE base that wants to change the entire foundation that this GREAT country was founded and based on, put us into greater debt, go "Democratic-Socialist", kill union jobs, and have the middle and upper class pay for their student loan forgiveness and other extreme radical policies. While we agree that the Neo Nazis and dirtbags that raided the Capitol are disgusting, you know as well as I do that these pieces of sh** have no chance in being even CLOSE to a political majority in this country and will in no way influence policy. Not sure we can say the same for the AOCs and Omar's of the Democratic party, but lets hope more moderate leaders reject their extreme politics, as Barack Obama has gone on record basically as doing. You might know alot about baseball, but your political views here are absurd. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2021 10:46:18 GMT -8
Ryan, While I am a fan of yours, and consider you one of the better read, more intelligent posters on AM ---it's just wrong to paint an entire party as "bigots". That's outrageous. Ryan is just repeating the narrative. While you may not be a fan of mine, I am nevertheless going to pull back the curtain a bit so you can see where this is coming from. Do you know what Critical Race Theory is and where the name comes from? Critical Race Theory is Marxism. I know how that sounds to those hearing it for the first time, but give me a moment to explain. In the 1930’s in Germany there were a group of Marxist intellectuals known collectively as the Frankfurt School. They didn’t believe Vladimir Lenin was doing true Marxism and came up with their own version called…..Critical Theory. Google search “Critical Theory” and/or “Frankfurt School” to find whatever sources you trust. They will confirm what I just wrote, and they’ll tell you that when Hitler came to power they ran from Germany to the United States. Fast forward 7 decades and Marxism never caught on in America. It wasn’t for lack of trying. America wasn’t a class-bound as Europe was, so the proletariat versus bourgeoisie motivation didn’t work. The worst of worker exploitation ended with the Guided Age in America, so “workers of the world unite!” didn’t work. There was a push claiming the rich with their high-priced lawyers faced a different justice system than the poor, but that too didn’t lead to a Marxist takeover. Their most effective idea was using global warming to claim capitalism must be dismantled, but it didn’t really go anywhere. Then a Marxist came up with the genius idea to use race. They scratched off all the references to class in the old Critical Theory works, and replaced those references with ones to races. What was once “bourgeoisie” became “white”, and what was “proletariat” became “Black” or “People of Color”. The new racialized Critical Theory was called “Critical Race Theory”. Critical Race Theory is racialized Marxism. Non-Marxist ideas are White Supremacy, and therefor if the GOP doesn’t support socialism they are supporting White Supremacy. It is a very powerful cudgel to hit your opponents with, and even those who don’t know they are spouting Marxist ideals have quickly picked it up. It isn’t a coincidence that everything is now called “bigoted”, “racist”, or “white supremacist”, and we have socialists in Congress calling for the dismantling of capitalism, and there are tankies now on AztecMesa telling us how great socialism is. It is all different parts of the same dog. Hello, sir. The far lefts attack on American Capitalism is a shameful, disgusting stance that I hope does not become the norm of the Liberals. We certainly agree here. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 27, 2021 10:59:29 GMT -8
Sorry, bud. But I call it like I see it and when I see the GOP embrace Trumpism as it has like clutching the last string of pearls, I come to the same conclusion. Very, very few in the GOP Senate even believe the former president should be held accountable for his actions. Multiple police officers now have committed suicide in the last three weeks since the insurrection occurred. Hundreds of officers were injured in some capacity. The GOP has largely stated (To clarify ; Graham, Paul, Cornyn, McCarthy, McConnell, Rubio, Cruz, Hawley, etc) that we should just move on and pretend like it never happened. John Cornyn just two days ago posted a transphobic tweet on Twitter. He openly believes in discriminating against people based on their identity/orientation. And he is far from the only one in the party to do so. Not a single member of the GOP (outside of the fence-straddlers) have called out the rampant white nationalism that represents a large chunk of the Trump base. Mike Pompeo posted a tweet shortly bwfore the inauguration that said "multiculturalism is not who we are." I'm not sure how it can be any more clear. When you promote racial inequality, sexual discrimination, disenfranchisement of Black voters, the idea tbat multiculturalism is not American, Anti-Semitic views and countless other transparent actions, you are, at your core, a bigot. Calling the Constitution "outdated" is...accurate. The Founders never planned/could not have planned for the type of event we saw on January 6th. They also couldn't have planned for impeachment during a lame duck session, or countless other things. The Constitution protected slavery until 1808. I, too, believe the Constitution is sacred. And yet we had a sham impeachment trial a year ago where no witnesses were called, no evidence laid forth and a decision rendered before the trial even commenced. Now, we have GOP members improperly stating that this impeachment is unconstitutional. That's false. We'll go through the motions here, Trump will be acquitted (again) even if he celebrated the events that took place, like we're aware he did. I'm sorry to be the one to tell you all of this. It makes me hurt for this country. But the reality is we have seen a seismic shift in candor and demeanor from the GOP that has no qualms about xenophobia, anti-immigrant stances, cruelty towards people of color and promoting basic hate. The "bad apple" defense doesn't work for me. I'm aware the Democratic party is flawed. The system itself is flawed. But there is one party here whose construct is morally bankrupt. This isn't about partisan games. Insurrection is the gravest of offenses that a president can be charged with. What we have since January 6th is the largest collective underreaction to treasonous behavior in our history. We cannot just move on. I'm not worried about a future president inciting a mob to attack Congress. I am concerned though that the laissez-faire attitude could allow for an outgoing president to shred democracy at every turn without consequence. There is so much inaccuracy and lies in this post....wow, where to begin? 1. "Multiple police officers now have committed suicide in the last three weeks since the insurrection occurred" ----- Ryan, please provide supporting data and facts to confirm this suggestion. I mean, I am SURE that in no way rising Police suicides are due to the leftist extremes demeaning their role, painting the entire profession corrupt due to a small % of bad apples, "defunding" requests, etc. Give me an f'ing break w/ that BS. 2. Remind me which Democratic politicians have the closest ties to Louis Farrakhan? If we're going to get into Anti-Semitism and Homphobic remarks. 3. "Sham impeachment trial", "go through the motions" ---- Yep, let's continue to spend time and taxpayer dollars for political mud slinging to impeach a private citizen who is playing 18 at Mar-A-Lago today. Brilliant. 4. "I'm sorry to be the one to tell you all of this." LMAO. Like you educated me on anything here. Laughable. 5. "But there is one party here whose construct is morally bankrupt. " Yep, and there's one party that instead of making proper adjustments and advocating for fixes, has a HUGE base that wants to change the entire foundation that this GREAT country was founded and based on, put us into greater debt, go "Democratic-Socialist", kill union jobs, and have the middle and upper class pay for their student loan forgiveness and other extreme radical policies. While we agree that the Neo Nazis and dirtbags that raided the Capitol are disgusting, you know as well as I do that these pieces of sh** have no chance in being even CLOSE to a political majority in this country and will in no way influence policy. Not sure we can say the same for the AOCs and Omar's of the Democratic party, but lets hope more moderate leaders reject their extreme politics, as Barack Obama has gone on record basically as doing. You might know alot about baseball, but your political views here are absurd. And I feel the same way about your post. Here's confirmation of the second suicide since January 6th. (Pinning this on Democrats is unfounded and gross, to be honest) 140 are injured, including an officer who will lose an eye. Democrats at fault there, too? I don't know where to begin with the rest of the tired "Progressives are bad" diatribe. Ignorance is not bliss here. Concern about the deficit? Trillions added with corporate tax cuts that benefited the extremely wealthy....nobody blinked. But when it comes to helping actual common folk? Nope, no can do. These radical people won't influence policy? Hello, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Madison Cawthorn and Lauren Boebert say hi. That's a laughable stance to take when the House has been infiltrated by conspiracy theory peddling, white militia supporters and seditionists. Regarding impeachment, Trump was president when he was impeached. This whole "going after a private citizen" nonsense is just that. If you really don't believe the power he has within the party, you're kidding yourself. They are beholden to him. Just read the statements from prominent GOP members. McCarthy said he "bears responsibility" two weeks ago...then turned around and blamed everyone else. They cower to him out of fear of reprisal. www.politico.com/amp/news/2021/01/25/trump-senate-republicans-impeachment-trial-462420?__twitter_impression=trueI don't even want to deal with the rest of it. You and the OP can share discourse that has nothing to do with the relevance of what I posted. I can disagree with you, respectfully, on this topic. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2021 11:22:16 GMT -8
Fine by me. Respectfully disagree.  To be honest, over a beer & a cigar -- you and I are likely to find much more common ground on politics than you may think. While I identify as a Republican, I am quite moderate and even voted once for a Democrat (Obama over McCain in 2008). I have a strong disdain for those who are too far right, or too far left. I detest purely partisan politics, but I will admit to having significant concern about the rising popularity of the AOC's and Ilhan Omars of the party. And no, it has ZERO to do with them being women, and everything to do w/ their politics. Go Padres! |
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Jan 27, 2021 11:25:56 GMT -8
Tell me what socialism (which is the new buzzword for the morons who just want to deflect responsibility) has to do with literally anything I wrote outside of your bizarre and irrelevant construction of fantasy? It has nothing to do with what you wrote in your response to Josh Jones as I don’t believe you are a socialist. I think Josh Jones called you out for saying everyone was a bigot, and you replied anecdotally by pointing to one person as if that one person made your broad brush painting of everyone justified. It doesn’t, and I think you know it, but I think you initially smeared everyone because you were repeating the rhetoric of the critical race theory advocates. As I said, I think in your initial statement you were just repeating the narrative. Do you advocate that discrimination of people based on their gender or orientation is okay? Of course not, which is why I oppose so-called “equity programs”. Equity is the institutionalization of discrimination of people based on their race, gender, and/or orientation. If you truly want equal rights for human beings then Susan Rice’s announcement yesterday that all of government would be restructured around equity should send chills down your spine. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 27, 2021 12:27:12 GMT -8
Fine by me. Respectfully disagree. To be honest, over a beer & a cigar -- you and I are likely to find much more common ground on politics than you may think. While I identify as a Republican, I am quite moderate and even voted once for a Democrat (Obama over McCain in 2008). I have a strong disdain for those who are too far right, or too far left. I detest purely partisan politics, but I will admit to having significant concern about the rising popularity of the AOC's and Ilhan Omars of the party. And no, it has ZERO to do with them being women, and everything to do w/ their politics. Go Padres! That's the thing - I'm not a radical. I don't think things like equal rights and accountability are radical concepts. I believe in M4A, which I really don't think is radical either. If you're concerned about them, I would hope you are equally concerned over gun-waving sycophants like Boebert who embrace the insurrection and Satanic baby killing conspiracy peddlers like Marjorie Taylor Greene. The people who believe school shootings are false flags and paid hoaxes, like the state of Oregon's GOP which claimed the Capitol attack was a false flag. Those are dangers, for me anyway. |
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