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Post by aztecryan on Jan 27, 2021 12:29:30 GMT -8
Tell me what socialism (which is the new buzzword for the morons who just want to deflect responsibility) has to do with literally anything I wrote outside of your bizarre and irrelevant construction of fantasy? It has nothing to do with what you wrote in your response to Josh Jones as I don’t believe you are a socialist. I think Josh Jones called you out for saying everyone was a bigot, and you replied anecdotally by pointing to one person as if that one person made your broad brush painting of everyone justified. It doesn’t, and I think you know it, but I think you initially smeared everyone because you were repeating the rhetoric of the critical race theory advocates. As I said, I think in your initial statement you were just repeating the narrative. Do you advocate that discrimination of people based on their gender or orientation is okay? Of course not, which is why I oppose so-called “equity programs”. Equity is the institutionalization of discrimination of people based on their race, gender, and/or orientation. If you truly want equal rights for human beings then Susan Rice’s announcement yesterday that all of government would be restructured around equity should send chills down your spine. As usual, I think you are deeply delusional and ignorant to what I posted. I have named dozens of GOP members. Dozens. Not one. I named nearly a dozen on this page alone. I'll reiterate : McCarthy (who is at Mar A Lago today for some reason...nothing to see there though), Cruz, Hawley, Rubio, Cornyn, Gaetz, Boebert, Greene, Cawthorn, Jordan, Owens, Lesko, Crenshaw, Paul, Graham, Brooks, Gohmert, Johnson, Biggs, Gosar and ON. That's 20. Yeah, I think I pass on giving them a pass. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2021 13:02:55 GMT -8
"I don't think things like equal rights and accountability are radical concepts"
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Post by azson on Jan 27, 2021 13:23:24 GMT -8
"I don't think things like equal rights and accountability are radical concepts" --Neither do I. Good to hear. Nice to have someone right-leaning who we can share some common ground with, rather than yet another belittling, patronizing post about the evils of Marxism and/or our ignorance re constitutional law. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 27, 2021 13:41:24 GMT -8
"I don't think things like equal rights and accountability are radical concepts" --Neither do I. Amen to that. |
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Jan 27, 2021 13:49:04 GMT -8
As usual, I think you are deeply delusional and ignorant to what I posted. I have named dozens of GOP members. Dozens. Not one. I named nearly a dozen on this page alone. I'll reiterate : McCarthy (who is at Mar A Lago today for some reason...nothing to see there though), Cruz, Hawley, Rubio, Cornyn, Gaetz, Boebert, Greene, Cawthorn, Jordan, Owens, Lesko, Crenshaw, Paul, Graham, Brooks, Gohmert, Johnson, Biggs, Gosar and ON. That's 20. Yeah, I think I pass on giving them a pass. I know exactly what you posted. While I am a fan of yours, and consider you one of the better read, more intelligent posters on AM ---it's just wrong to paint an entire party as "bigots". That's outrageous. Sorry, bud. But I call it like I see it ... When you promote racial inequality, sexual discrimination, disenfranchisement of Black voters, the idea tbat multiculturalism is not American, Anti-Semitic views and countless other transparent actions, you are, at your core, a bigot. ... the reality is we have seen a seismic shift in candor and demeanor from the GOP that has no qualms about xenophobia, anti-immigrant stances, cruelty towards people of color and promoting basic hate. The "bad apple" defense doesn't work for me. Regardless of naming one, twenty, or dozens, it is still anecdotal and does not justify your condemnation of everyone on the basis of their membership of a particular group, in this case the GOP. You do know what a bigot is, right? If not, let the Oxford dictionary help: You don’t have to give individuals a pass, and I don’t fault you for doing so but I think you cross a line when you lump in people like Tim Scott of South Carolina (whom I think is going to be the 2024 GOP nominee) into your cabal of bigotry on account of his counting himself among the GOP. Condemnation of individuals: fine, Blanket condemnations of everyone based on actions of one, twenty, dozens, or even thousands of the group membership: there is a problem with that. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 27, 2021 15:05:35 GMT -8
This is....something.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2021 15:06:06 GMT -8
I'm a BIG Tim Scott fan. I really hope he does well in the next 3-4 years.
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Jan 27, 2021 15:11:11 GMT -8
I'm a BIG Tim Scott fan. I really hope he does well in the next 3-4 years. Me too. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 27, 2021 15:18:07 GMT -8
As usual, I think you are deeply delusional and ignorant to what I posted. I have named dozens of GOP members. Dozens. Not one. I named nearly a dozen on this page alone. I'll reiterate : McCarthy (who is at Mar A Lago today for some reason...nothing to see there though), Cruz, Hawley, Rubio, Cornyn, Gaetz, Boebert, Greene, Cawthorn, Jordan, Owens, Lesko, Crenshaw, Paul, Graham, Brooks, Gohmert, Johnson, Biggs, Gosar and ON. That's 20. Yeah, I think I pass on giving them a pass. I know exactly what you posted. Sorry, bud. But I call it like I see it ... When you promote racial inequality, sexual discrimination, disenfranchisement of Black voters, the idea tbat multiculturalism is not American, Anti-Semitic views and countless other transparent actions, you are, at your core, a bigot. ... the reality is we have seen a seismic shift in candor and demeanor from the GOP that has no qualms about xenophobia, anti-immigrant stances, cruelty towards people of color and promoting basic hate. The "bad apple" defense doesn't work for me. Regardless of naming one, twenty, or dozens, it is still anecdotal and does not justify your condemnation of everyone on the basis of their membership of a particular group, in this case the GOP. You do know what a bigot is, right? If not, let the Oxford dictionary help: You don’t have to give individuals a pass, and I don’t fault you for doing so but I think you cross a line when you lump in people like Tim Scott of South Carolina (whom I think is going to be the 2024 GOP nominee) into your cabal of bigotry on account of his counting himself among the GOP. Condemnation of individuals: fine, Blanket condemnations of everyone based on actions of one, twenty, dozens, or even thousands of the group membership: there is a problem with that. When the lack of accountability becomes pervasive, and an entire party refuses to condemn the actions of a president whose platform centers around hate, division and racism, condemnations are warranted. The ONLY people who spoke up with any authenticity were Mitt Romney and MAYBE Lisa Murkowski. Tim Scott? I hope that's a joke. He's a massive Trump enabler and a liar. This is the party line for the GOP, even though it's completely bogus. It's pure idiocy and a falsehood. The precedent is literally on the Senate website and these calls for "unity" and "coming together" were noticeably absent when it came to furthering the GOP agenda during the ACB hearings, ramming through budget cuts for the rich and ignoring the lunacy coming from the Oval. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 27, 2021 15:20:57 GMT -8
I'm a BIG Tim Scott fan. I really hope he does well in the next 3-4 years. ...This is laughable. The indignation that we entrust the Senate to you know...do their job? I'm blown away when we can't agree that insurrection is a bad thing and accountability is an optional process for those who actively made January 6th happen. The narrative that Trump is out of office so everything is okay is literally insane. |
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Jan 27, 2021 16:02:44 GMT -8
The narrative that Trump is out of office so everything is okay is literally insane. Except that isn’t the narrative. The narrative is that impeachment is a political process used to remove someone from political office and is both improper to use on someone who isn’t in political office and a waste of the Senate’s time both on account of the criminal courts being a better venue to determine a violation of the Insurrection Act and the foregone conclusion of a Senate trial. If you want to see Trump held accountable then do it in a place where he can be held accountable rather than putting on political theater. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2021 16:40:21 GMT -8
I'm a BIG Tim Scott fan. I really hope he does well in the next 3-4 years. ...This is laughable. The indignation that we entrust the Senate to you know...do their job? I'm blown away when we can't agree that insurrection is a bad thing and accountability is an optional process for those who actively made January 6th happen. The narrative that Trump is out of office so everything is okay is literally insane. "when we can't agree that insurrection is a bad thing" Uh..what do you mean? Who says we can't? Two, nobody said "everything is okay". If you're referring to the impeachment proceedings, I just believe that we have more pressing issues at the moment to deal w/ as a nation. You and I both know what the result will be. Are you suggesting Tim Scott supported or helped incite the events of Jan 6th? Your post confuses me. I do know that Senator Scott, prior to the events -- 100% went on record as saying he would NOT support contesting the electoral college results and was in favor of certifying the election. So basically, you're one of those liberals where "every Republican Senator or Congressperson is a POS, and likely racist and xenophobic.". OK, got it. That will save me some time, I won't engage you in these discussions. You're far, far left. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2021 16:43:13 GMT -8
The narrative that Trump is out of office so everything is okay is literally insane. Except that isn’t the narrative. The narrative is that impeachment is a political process used to remove someone from political office and is both improper to use on someone who isn’t in political office and a waste of the Senate’s time both on account of the criminal courts being a better venue to determine a violation of the Insurrection Act and the foregone conclusion of a Senate trial. If you want to see Trump held accountable then do it in a place where he can be held accountable rather than putting on political theater. Why are you attempting to use logic & common sense? How dare you. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 27, 2021 17:28:37 GMT -8
The narrative that Trump is out of office so everything is okay is literally insane. Except that isn’t the narrative. The narrative is that impeachment is a political process used to remove someone from political office and is both improper to use on someone who isn’t in political office and a waste of the Senate’s time both on account of the criminal courts being a better venue to determine a violation of the Insurrection Act and the foregone conclusion of a Senate trial. If you want to see Trump held accountable then do it in a place where he can be held accountable rather than putting on political theater. Again, wrong. The goal is to prevent him from running on the 2024 ticket (and he will absolutely run) and impeachment for his actions enable a vote for that to take place. His actions while in office are the focus here, despite the absurd notion there is no precedent to do so. The GOP's take is essentially : Well, you can't impeach him while in office the first two years, you can't impeach him in the lame duck session, you can't impeach him post-presidency (even though the article was filed on January 11th)....A waste of time? Rip up the Constitution then and disavow the oath. THAT is a waste of time if we're going to live in fantasyland. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 27, 2021 17:32:07 GMT -8
...This is laughable. The indignation that we entrust the Senate to you know...do their job? I'm blown away when we can't agree that insurrection is a bad thing and accountability is an optional process for those who actively made January 6th happen. The narrative that Trump is out of office so everything is okay is literally insane. "when we can't agree that insurrection is a bad thing" Uh..what do you mean? Who says we can't? Two, nobody said "everything is okay". If you're referring to the impeachment proceedings, I just believe that we have more pressing issues at the moment to deal w/ as a nation. You and I both know what the result will be. Are you suggesting Tim Scott supported or helped incite the events of Jan 6th? Your post confuses me. I do know that Senator Scott, prior to the events -- 100% went on record as saying he would NOT support contesting the electoral college results and was in favor of certifying the election. So basically, you're one of those liberals where "every Republican Senator or Congressperson is a POS, and likely racist and xenophobic.". OK, got it. That will save me some time, I won't engage you in these discussions. You're far, far left. The truth really sucks sometimes. Far, far left? Lol. I'm a fiscal conservative and socially liberal, Josh. Both parties are a joke and a representation of a flawed and broken system of elitism. I want accountability. I want justice. I want the actual oath of office to mean something to these hypocritical people who want to pretend January 6th never happened. Despite what you may say, there are MANY members of the party who are saying exactly that. Am I supposed to give Tim Scott credit for doing his job and not perpetuating a myth? I can have a rational discussion here. I'm not yelling at you. I'm explaining what should be a slam dunk, easy, black and white conclusion. Nobody in the GOP held Trump accountable. Nobody. They all bear responsibility in some fashion. That's not a controversial statement. I'm not saying every GOP member is an open racist, obviously. That's overly simplistic. |
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Jan 27, 2021 17:41:10 GMT -8
The goal is to prevent him from running on the 2024 ticket That is total garbage and I can't believe you are buying it. Trump will not be convicted in the Senate and everyone, *EVERYONE* knows this. There is zero chance of there ever being a vote to bar Trump from office. It is theater for the sake of theater. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2021 17:44:37 GMT -8
I'm a BIG Tim Scott fan. I really hope he does well in the next 3-4 years. ...This is laughable. The indignation that we entrust the Senate to you know...do their job? I'm blown away when we can't agree that insurrection is a bad thing and accountability is an optional process for those who actively made January 6th happen. The narrative that Trump is out of office so everything is okay is literally insane. BTW —-regarding my initial confusion, i hadnt seen your imbedded tweet. I mostly post from my desktop, which never shows screen shots. Makes more sense now. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2021 17:46:32 GMT -8
Now that im reading on my cell. **
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 27, 2021 17:52:33 GMT -8
Now that im reading on my cell. ** It does the same thing for me until I clear my cache on my browser. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 27, 2021 17:56:08 GMT -8
The goal is to prevent him from running on the 2024 ticket That is total garbage and I can't believe you are buying it. Trump will not be convicted in the Senate and everyone, *EVERYONE* knows this. There is zero chance of there ever being a vote to bar Trump from office. It is theater for the sake of theater. I'm not saying it's going to happen, but that is the goal of the idea. Doing nothing is not acceptable. Doing nothing sets a precedent that lawlessness and open acts of insurrection have no consequences. The fact that there's cries for evidence now when there was no evidence allowed the first time is typical garbage. The evidence was on national television. It's open and shut. A vote not to convict is dereliction of duty and means the party fears Trump more than the consequences of what took place. I really don't know where the line is anymore. What will it take for some backbone to be shown? Marjorie Taylor Greene's expulsion is being proposed. That's inadequate, but it's a start. |
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