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Post by aztecryan on Jan 12, 2021 19:59:50 GMT -8
We have a major problem.
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 12, 2021 20:14:36 GMT -8
Good grief! It's like he's just giving EVERYONE except those who support sedition and insurrection the middle finger! The arrogance is unbelievable. It's like he thinks he's entitled to the Presidency, regardless of what he does or what the voters say, so in his mind breaking the highest laws in the country doesn't matter - as long as he keeps his place in the White House. He has absolutely fractured the country. It's both sad and disturbing. And he's totally unrepentant. Scorched Earth. If he can't have it, he'll make sure it isn't worth having! Multiple outlets are reporting that if Mitch McConnell supports conviction, the Senate has enough votes to convict Trump and remove him from office. It basically comes down to one man, again. I'm trying to confirm this. CNN doesn't have it on their ticker, and you would think it would be right there since this would be huge. I haven't seen it anywhere else. Maybe I'm missing something? |
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Jan 12, 2021 20:41:44 GMT -8
So, if Pence had been killed by the domestic terrorist mob of Trump supporters, and the domestic terrorists had held the legislators hostage, they could have forced them to certify Trump as the election winner (or they would kill legislators who refused). You could have said the rioters were there to recover the wish-granting talisman left on Earth by the Roswell aliens which had been stored in the secret vault in the Capitol basement to give to Trump so he could wish his way into a second term, and it would have been closer to reality than everything you just said. Serious question: Do they still teach Civics in High School? |
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Jan 12, 2021 20:50:09 GMT -8
Connect the dots - the evidence is all there. The truth is like...out there, man. Dude, you should like make tee shirts or something like QAnon to make money on your info, man. She said, flat out, it was a coup attempt. She is also a political hack who testified against Trump in the previous impeachment hearing. Sources don't come any more biased than that, but she told you what you want to hear and got paid to do so. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 12, 2021 21:05:05 GMT -8
Multiple outlets are reporting that if Mitch McConnell supports conviction, the Senate has enough votes to convict Trump and remove him from office. It basically comes down to one man, again. I'm trying to confirm this. CNN doesn't have it on their ticker, and you would think it would be right there since this would be huge. I haven't seen it anywhere else. Maybe I'm missing something? I don't make things up, when it comes to matters as important as this. From earlier this afternoon. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jan 12, 2021 21:07:04 GMT -8
Connect the dots - the evidence is all there. The truth is like...out there, man. Dude, you should like make tee shirts or something like QAnon to make money on your info, man. She said, flat out, it was a coup attempt. She is also a political hack who testified against Trump in the previous impeachment hearing. Sources don't come any more biased than that, but she told you what you want to hear and got paid to do so. A political hack? You're deluding yourself if you believe that. She's one of the biggest security experts in the world. There's a reason why she was kept on by Barack Obama after she served as one of George W. Bush's key National Security Advisors. He didn't have to keep her on. Bush was extremely unpopular with Democrats, so keeping her got him some flack from them. Why did he keep her on? The same reason that TRUMP did. She knows what she's talking about. She's an expert. You are not. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jan 12, 2021 21:14:56 GMT -8
So, if Pence had been killed by the domestic terrorist mob of Trump supporters, and the domestic terrorists had held the legislators hostage, they could have forced them to certify Trump as the election winner (or they would kill legislators who refused). You could have said the rioters were there to recover the wish-granting talisman left on Earth by the Roswell aliens which had been stored in the secret vault in the Capitol basement to give to Trump so he could wish his way into a second term, and it would have been closer to reality than everything you just said. Serious question: Do they still teach Civics in High School? You are frighteningly naive. Civics? CIVICS??? Do you really think Trump was worried AT ALL about following the rules? Seriously, he sent down a group of thousands of people, many armed, many with military and police training, to eliminate his opposition in Congress. The evidence of the coordination of these attacks will be coming out for years. This will be one of the key moments in U.S. history, and there will be classes taught about this event alone because it was months in the planning. These people coordinated this attack online, and the evidence is being compiled by the FBI. And there are further attacks planned, all with ZERO opposition from Trump. Instead of telling people to stop the madness he's encouraged it. And the attack on the 6th couldn't have happened without the cooperation of the White House. Do you really believe that it was just coincidence that Trump sent that group down to the Capitol like that? Just where they wanted to go?? He isn't THAT stupid. He knew that there would be violence - and he knew that Congress would be in jeopardy because there was a minimal security presence there, and the National Guard was not going to be there for hours after the attack started (he made sure of that). Trump wasn't going to follow the rules as set down in the Constitution and Congressional law. He was breaking the rules by sending those people down there in the first place! Trump has NEVER followed the rules in his entire life. He's never been told no, and he's never had any serious consequences for his actions. |
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Post by uwphoto on Jan 12, 2021 21:24:45 GMT -8
The truth is like...out there, man. Dude, you should like make tee shirts or something like QAnon to make money on your info, man. She is also a political hack who testified against Trump in the previous impeachment hearing. Sources don't come any more biased than that, but she told you what you want to hear and got paid to do so. A political hack? You're deluding yourself if you believe that. She's one of the biggest security experts in the world. There's a reason why she was kept on by Barack Obama after she served as one of George W. Bush's key National Security Advisors. He didn't have to keep her on. Bush was extremely unpopular with Democrats, so keeping her got him some flack from them. Why did he keep her on? The same reason that TRUMP did. She knows what she's talking about. She's an expert. You are not. Understatement of the year... |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jan 12, 2021 21:35:30 GMT -8
www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fbi-report-warned-of-war-at-capitol-contradicting-claims-there-was-no-indication-of-looming-violence/ar-BB1cH6gM?ocid=msedgntpSo the FBI DID have concrete intelligence in advance of the event that there was a SERIOUS threat of violence and insurrection. That threat had been present online for weeks, and no one at the FBI or DHS did anything about it? Don't you find that rather... odd? I mean, their job is to PREVENT attacks like that from happening. These threats would have to be presented to the President and his National Security advisors. The only way that nothing was put in place for serious security was if someone at the White House was in on it. Somebody VERY high up in the food chain, high enough up to give orders that couldn't be countermanded by somebody else in the chain of command. Who could possibly give orders like that?
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 12, 2021 21:42:20 GMT -8
www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fbi-report-warned-of-war-at-capitol-contradicting-claims-there-was-no-indication-of-looming-violence/ar-BB1cH6gM?ocid=msedgntpSo the FBI DID have concrete intelligence in advance of the event that there was a SERIOUS threat of violence and insurrection. That threat had been present online for weeks, and no one at the FBI or DHS did anything about it? Don't you find that rather... odd? I mean, their job is to PREVENT attacks like that from happening. These threats would have to be presented to the President and his National Security advisors. The only way that nothing was put in place for serious security was if someone at the White House was in on it. Somebody VERY high up in the food chain, high enough up to give orders that couldn't be countermanded by somebody else in the chain of command. Who could possibly give orders like that? Oh, oh, oh, I got this one. Who is "Donald Trump?" |
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Jan 12, 2021 22:09:31 GMT -8
Seriously, he sent down a group of thousands of people, many armed, many with military and police training, to eliminate his opposition in Congress. That is a delusion you have made up in your head. Trump did not send thousands of people to assassinate all of his opposition in Congress. You are promoting a fiction. The evidence of the coordination of these attacks will be coming out for years. You are stating this as fact because of your secret inside sources? I think is more fair to say that this is how the fantasy plays out in your head. And the attack on the 6th couldn't have happened without the cooperation of the White House. Do you really believe that it was just coincidence that Trump sent that group down to the Capitol like that? Is that in reference to Trump's rally speech telling people to march to the Capitol peacefully and let them hear your voices? Are you saying when he told them to go peacefully it was code that he wanted them to kill all of the members of Congress so they would rest in peace? Is that how you've "connected the dots"? Trump wasn't going to follow the rules as set down in the Constitution and Congressional law. He was breaking the rules by sending those people down there in the first place! Maybe I just don't know all the rules. Which rules is it again that forbids sending people to the Capitol? Trump has NEVER followed the rules in his entire life. I do not get where you and AztecRyan have come up with the idea that Trump is emperor of the universe and everyone has to do what he says. Have you not been paying attention the past 4 years? Were you not watching when Pelosi and Schumer went into the Oval Office and made Trump look feckless in front of the cameras during a negotiation, and Trump has to just sit there and take it? Were you not watching when various judges around the country would strike down things he was trying to do such as the so-called "Muslim Ban" and ditching DACA? Did you not see him impeached? Does the whole Mueller Investigation not ring a bell? Trump is and always has been constrained by the system, and he doesn't have thousands of trained ninjas to take out his enemies. Just because the Clintons have ninjas doesn't mean all Presidents do. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jan 12, 2021 22:11:17 GMT -8
Oh, oh, oh, I got this one. Who is "Donald Trump?" That almost seemed like an odd combination of Arnold Horshack and Jeopardy. [waving hand high in the air] OOOH OOOH!!! OOOH!! OOH OOH!!! "Who is Donald Trump, Alex?"  |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jan 12, 2021 22:14:44 GMT -8
It's sad that the Al-O-Meter lives in denial.
Denial - it's not just a river in Egypt.
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Jan 12, 2021 22:23:40 GMT -8
So the FBI DID have concrete intelligence in advance of the event that there was a SERIOUS threat of violence and insurrection. That threat had been present online for weeks, and no one at the FBI or DHS did anything about it? Don't you find that rather... odd? It is quite unbelievable, as in I don't believe you. Much like most of what you post, it is a fiction that you made up. In reality the FBI did act on the intelligence they received. Here is a story about how the FBI arrested Enrique Tarrio the day before the event as part of their effort to stop the violence before it began. You are spreading conspiracy theories that are easily checked by anyone. "Someone really high up the food chain made the FBI do nothing." Give me a break. You are the QAnon of Aztec Mesa and I can't believe people are buying what you're selling. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jan 12, 2021 23:34:21 GMT -8
So the FBI DID have concrete intelligence in advance of the event that there was a SERIOUS threat of violence and insurrection. That threat had been present online for weeks, and no one at the FBI or DHS did anything about it? Don't you find that rather... odd? It is quite unbelievable, as in I don't believe you. Much like most of what you post, it is a fiction that you made up. In reality the FBI did act on the intelligence they received. Here is a story about how the FBI arrested Enrique Tarrio the day before the event as part of their effort to stop the violence before it began. You are spreading conspiracy theories that are easily checked by anyone. "Someone really high up the food chain made the FBI do nothing." Give me a break. You are the QAnon of Aztec Mesa and I can't believe people are buying what you're selling. I post a link to the story and you say you don't believe me. Yeah, ignore the story reported by the professionals! So, why, exactly, was the Capitol Security staffing for 1/06 the same as any normal Wednesday? It was hardly any normal Wednesday! First, you had all of Congress, all of the Senate, AND the VP in the same room. Included in that group were #1, #2, and #3 in line of succession to the Presidency. Even without the massive assembly of an angry Pro-Trump mob down the street, that warrants heightened security. So why was the security so light? Why was the National Guard ordered not to be there? WHY DID TRUMP REFUSE TO SEND THE NATIONAL GUARD IN ONCE THE INSURRECTIONISTS BROKE IN TO THE CAPITOL??? Come on, the ONLY one who benefits from a successful attack on Congress is Trump. Take off your MAGA blinders. |
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Post by podpeople on Jan 13, 2021 0:08:30 GMT -8
if theres any truth to this, there will be some desperate acts within the next few days. |
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Jan 13, 2021 8:20:58 GMT -8
It is quite unbelievable, as in I don't believe you. Much like most of what you post, it is a fiction that you made up. In reality the FBI did act on the intelligence they received. Here is a story about how the FBI arrested Enrique Tarrio the day before the event as part of their effort to stop the violence before it began. You are spreading conspiracy theories that are easily checked by anyone. "Someone really high up the food chain made the FBI do nothing." Give me a break. You are the QAnon of Aztec Mesa and I can't believe people are buying what you're selling. I post a link to the story and you say you don't believe me. Yeah, ignore the story reported by the professionals! Nice try. I wasn't ignoring the report by professionals. I know the FBI knew of potential violence. Enrique Tarrio was arrested due to information the FBI had prior to the riot. What I don't believe is your cuckoo bird claim that the FBI were told to do nothing by someone high up the food chain. I didn't believe your conspiracy theory because I knew the FBI made preventative arrests of certain leaders days before the rally and issued press releases. The FBI wasn't doing nothing. Far from it. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Jan 13, 2021 8:39:53 GMT -8
I post a link to the story and you say you don't believe me. Yeah, ignore the story reported by the professionals! Nice try. I wasn't ignoring the report by professionals. I know the FBI knew of potential violence. Enrique Tarrio was arrested due to information the FBI had prior to the riot. What I don't believe is your cuckoo bird claim that the FBI were told to do nothing by someone high up the food chain. I didn't believe your conspiracy theory because I knew the FBI made preventative arrests of certain leaders days before the rally and issued press releases. The FBI wasn't doing nothing. Far from it. I didn't say the FBI did nothing. I said the security staffing for the Capitol was the same as for a normal, uneventful Wednesday. It was hardly a normal, uneventful day even without the insurrectionists. You had all of Congress and all of the Sentate in the same room with the VP. That's a high security situation. And yet they had low security. Very odd, don't you think? I mean, I am 110% sure they have basic security levels called for in those situations, and they clearly didn't meet what the guidelines called for - meaning someone intentionally staffed the security lower than it was supposed to be. Add to that the fact that the National Guard was not requested, and Trump refused to send the National Guard in once the Capitol had been breached, and something was obviously wrong. Standard procedures were NOT followed. Now who stood to gain from these things happening? Certainly not the Democrats - they won the Presidential election the insurrectionists were trying their damnedest to overturn. If the insurrectionists had succeeded several members of Congress (almost all on the Democratic side) would have been dead, along with Mike Pence. ("Hang Mike Pence!) Taking out key Congressional Democrats AND the VP (#1, #2, and #3 in line of succession to the Presidency), benefits whom? If the government is thrown into chaos, who would be in charge indefinitely? Do you really think Trump was going to just walk away and let Joe Biden take over after that? Come on. Take those MAGA blinders off. I'm no Biden supporter. I didn't vote for him, and I can't stand Pelosi. But I recognize a coup attempt JUST LIKE NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR FIONA HILL DOES! She said it was a coup, and she has been a National Security Advisor to THREE Presidents. I'll take her evaluation and assessment over yours every day of the week and twice on Sunday. You do not know 1/100 of what she knows about this stuff. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 13, 2021 8:44:59 GMT -8
if theres any truth to this, there will be some desperate acts within the next few days. Think about it for a second - There's video of the insurrectionists plotting with a detailed map of the area. Jim Clyburn's inner office (on a completely different floor) was breached. The Senate Parliamentarian's office was ransacked and that location is not something you're likely to just stumble on. It's well hidden. The organizer of "Stop the Steal" stated he had direct help from 3 members of Congress. Ayanna Pressley's panic button in her office was removed on January 5th, tbe day before the insurrection. Lauren Boebert was live-tweeting the movements of Nancy Pelosi, giving away her location to her "constituents" outside. A whole lot of smoke, no? |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 13, 2021 8:55:44 GMT -8
Nice try. I wasn't ignoring the report by professionals. I know the FBI knew of potential violence. Enrique Tarrio was arrested due to information the FBI had prior to the riot. What I don't believe is your cuckoo bird claim that the FBI were told to do nothing by someone high up the food chain. I didn't believe your conspiracy theory because I knew the FBI made preventative arrests of certain leaders days before the rally and issued press releases. The FBI wasn't doing nothing. Far from it. I didn't say the FBI did nothing. I said the security staffing for the Capitol was the same as for a normal, uneventful Wednesday. It was hardly a normal, uneventful day even without the insurrectionists. You had all of Congress and all of the Sentate in the same room with the VP. That's a high security situation. And yet they had low security. Very odd, don't you think? I mean, I am 110% sure they have basic security levels called for in those situations, and they clearly didn't meet what the guidelines called for - meaning someone intentionally staffed the security lower than it was supposed to be. Add to that the fact that the National Guard was not requested, and Trump refused to send the National Guard in once the Capitol had been breached, and something was obviously wrong. Standard procedures were NOT followed. Now who stood to gain from these things happening? Certainly not the Democrats - they won the Presidential election the insurrectionists were trying their damnedest to overturn. If the insurrectionists had succeeded several members of Congress (almost all on the Democratic side) would have been dead, along with Mike Pence. ("Hang Mike Pence!) Taking out key Congressional Democrats AND the VP (#1, #2, and #3 in line of succession to the Presidency), benefits whom? If the government is thrown into chaos, who would be in charge indefinitely? Do you really think Trump was going to just walk away and let Joe Biden take over after that? Come on. Take those MAGA blinders off. I'm no Biden supporter. I didn't vote for him, and I can't stand Pelosi. But I recognize a coup attempt JUST LIKE NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR FIONA HILL DOES! She said it was a coup, and she has been a National Security Advisor to THREE Presidents. I'll take her evaluation and assessment over yours every day of the week and twice on Sunday. You do not know 1/100 of what she knows about this stuff. You forgot to add that we have Trump and Giuliani on tape trying to call Tommy Tuberville to further delay certification of the vote. We also have Trump confirmed to watch the entire proceedings on television as it unfolded. We also have Trump lying in his statement that he immediately deployed the National Guard. We also have the Pentagon denying the request for additional support *AFTER* they broke in. |
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