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Post by aztecryan on Nov 4, 2020 10:31:12 GMT -8
The Senate is more powerful than the Presidency. Having McConnell kill every bill that comes his way is not a good thing for America. Having the party that loses the popular vote by 3,000,000 win the senate is a broken system. Can you point to one thing that the Senate has compromised on in the last 10 years? Blocking Supreme Court nominees from Obama, and refusing to vote on hundreds of democrat-backed bills from the house is not "compromising." Well the policies that the dems are looking to pass have gotten more and more extreme so I think it's a good thing that those won't pass. At the same time we now have someone who doesn't act like a baby throwing a tempter tantrum at every turn. I think its a win for both sides (the markets certainly think so). If the dems want to win the Senate, be more moderate... not more extreme Disagree completely, but historically, the markets respond better to a divided Congress/Presidency. There's no advantage here though politically or for the average American who doesn't invest in the markets. |
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Nov 4, 2020 10:35:35 GMT -8
Well the policies that the dems are looking to pass have gotten more and more extreme so I think it's a good thing that those won't pass. At the same time we now have someone who doesn't act like a baby throwing a tempter tantrum at every turn. I think its a win for both sides (the markets certainly think so). If the dems want to win the Senate, be more moderate... not more extreme Disagree completely, but historically, the markets respond better to a divided Congress/Presidency. There's no advantage here though politically or for the average American who doesn't invest in the markets. You disagree that democrats have become more extreme over the years?
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Post by aardvark on Nov 4, 2020 10:37:49 GMT -8
The Senate is more powerful than the Presidency. Having McConnell kill every bill that comes his way is not a good thing for America. Having the party that loses the popular vote by 3,000,000 win the senate is a broken system. Can you point to one thing that the Senate has compromised on in the last 10 years? Blocking Supreme Court nominees from Obama, and refusing to vote on hundreds of democrat-backed bills from the house is not "compromising." Well the policies that the dems are looking to pass have gotten more and more extreme so I think it's a good thing that those won't pass. At the same time we now have someone who doesn't act like a baby throwing a tempter tantrum at every turn. I think its a win for both sides (the markets certainly think so). If the dems want to win the Senate, be more moderate... not more extreme Should Biden win--does he serve his full term? |
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Nov 4, 2020 10:47:08 GMT -8
Well the policies that the dems are looking to pass have gotten more and more extreme so I think it's a good thing that those won't pass. At the same time we now have someone who doesn't act like a baby throwing a tempter tantrum at every turn. I think its a win for both sides (the markets certainly think so). If the dems want to win the Senate, be more moderate... not more extreme Should Biden win--does he serve his full term? I think he probably will. No chance he runs a second time though, which I think he has already acknowledged
Going into the first debate I thought he wasn't even capable of lasting more than 30 minutes on stage without completely imploding and I was wrong. It will be very interesting to see all the press conferences, speeches, etc that he will have to give though. He fumbles over words absolutely brutally with regularity.
Needless to say we've had a pretty wild previous 4 years with press conferences too though
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 4, 2020 10:56:40 GMT -8
Disagree completely, but historically, the markets respond better to a divided Congress/Presidency. There's no advantage here though politically or for the average American who doesn't invest in the markets. You disagree that democrats have become more extreme over the years?
I disagree with your premise that shapes your opinion on whether it's good to be divided because it doesn't benefit your side. Literally though, the only news that matters today is the massive USPS corruption. |
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Post by aardvark on Nov 4, 2020 10:56:50 GMT -8
Should Biden win--does he serve his full term? I think he probably will. No chance he runs a second time though, which I think he has already acknowledged
Going into the first debate I thought he wasn't even capable of lasting more than 30 minutes on stage without completely imploding and I was wrong. It will be very interesting to see all the press conferences, speeches, etc that he will have to give though. He fumbles over words absolutely brutally with regularity.
Needless to say we've had a pretty wild previous 4 years with press conferences too though
Can't wait to see the drive-in press conferences (if he wins). |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 4, 2020 11:04:47 GMT -8
Biden wins Wisconsin, per CNN. Trump has filed suit in Michigan to stop the count there.
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Nov 4, 2020 11:08:31 GMT -8
You disagree that democrats have become more extreme over the years?
I disagree with your premise that shapes your opinion on whether it's good to be divided because it doesn't benefit your side. Literally though, the only news that matters today is the massive USPS corruption. What? I've never said anything about the USPS? |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 4, 2020 11:10:31 GMT -8
I disagree with your premise that shapes your opinion on whether it's good to be divided because it doesn't benefit your side. Literally though, the only news that matters today is the massive USPS corruption. What? I've never said anything about the USPS? I didn't say you did - I'm saying we NEED to be talking about an issue of that magnitude. |
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Post by johneaztec on Nov 4, 2020 11:12:34 GMT -8
Well the policies that the dems are looking to pass have gotten more and more extreme so I think it's a good thing that those won't pass. At the same time we now have someone who doesn't act like a baby throwing a tempter tantrum at every turn. I think its a win for both sides (the markets certainly think so). If the dems want to win the Senate, be more moderate... not more extreme Should Biden win--does he serve his full term? That's the big question. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 4, 2020 11:17:28 GMT -8
Should Biden win--does he serve his full term? That's the big question. There's nothing to suggest he won't. He'll be a one-term president, but that's fine. Time to undo some of the damage that 45 did. But we're a ways off from anything - There will be legal battles and recounts. |
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Nov 4, 2020 11:20:42 GMT -8
You disagree that democrats have become more extreme over the years?
I disagree with your premise that shapes your opinion on whether it's good to be divided because it doesn't benefit your side. Literally though, the only news that matters today is the massive USPS corruption. I think I wouldn't normally feel that way as much as I do this election. Since both candidates/administrations are awful I'd rather nothing get done and just buy time until the next election. I'd like to wait until we have someone who is actually a good leader and smart to be in the white house before things get passed... Not wreck it in the meantime |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 4, 2020 11:24:28 GMT -8
I disagree with your premise that shapes your opinion on whether it's good to be divided because it doesn't benefit your side. Literally though, the only news that matters today is the massive USPS corruption. I think I wouldn't normally feel that way as much as I do this election. Since both candidates/administrations are awful I'd rather nothing get done and just buy time until the next election. I'd like to wait until we have someone who is actually a good leader and smart to be in the white house before things get passed... Not wreck it in the meantime It's already been wrecked, unfortunately. The damage has to be mitigated. Unless you have unity on both sides of Congress, whoever the president is is really inconsequential. It's gridlock, partisan division across mostly everything of importance Six more years of Mitch McConnell and the stonewalling of legislation - COVID relief? Healthcare? |
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Nov 4, 2020 11:55:19 GMT -8
Arizona will go to Biden. Wisconsin is done, their votes are counted. Georgia is likely to go to Biden as well, rendering Pennsylvania meaningless. Are you sure about that? It seems to me that you've counted Georgia as a Biden pick-up too soon, and some crazy stuff is happening in Arizona. The New York Times is reporting there was bad data being broadcast by Edison Research which caused many pundits to call the race for Biden when a full 14% of in-person Election Day ballots from rural areas hadn't been counted. Arizona is looking like it could be a Trump win by 10k-30k votes. |
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Post by johneaztec on Nov 4, 2020 11:57:41 GMT -8
If Biden wins Michigan, it can come down to Nevada potentially?
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Post by johneaztec on Nov 4, 2020 11:59:02 GMT -8
Arizona will go to Biden. Wisconsin is done, their votes are counted. Georgia is likely to go to Biden as well, rendering Pennsylvania meaningless. Are you sure about that? It seems to me that you've counted Georgia as a Biden pick-up too soon, and some crazy stuff is happening in Arizona. The New York Times is reporting there was bad data being broadcast by Edison Research which caused many pundits to call the race for Biden when a full 14% of in-person Election Day ballots from rural areas hadn't been counted. Arizona is looking like it could be a Trump win by 10k-30k votes. Hmmmmm |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 4, 2020 12:00:32 GMT -8
Arizona will go to Biden. Wisconsin is done, their votes are counted. Georgia is likely to go to Biden as well, rendering Pennsylvania meaningless. Are you sure about that? It seems to me that you've counted Georgia as a Biden pick-up too soon, and some crazy stuff is happening in Arizona. The New York Times is reporting there was bad data being broadcast by Edison Research which caused many pundits to call the race for Biden when a full 14% of in-person Election Day ballots from rural areas hadn't been counted. Arizona is looking like it could be a Trump win by 10k-30k votes. Biden is now trailing by 78,000 votes. Georgia's outstanding votes are from Fulton County metro areas and surrounding blue districts. There are roughly 400,000 ballots left, from the projections. I think Biden wins Michigan and Georgia, which renders everything else inconsequential. Biden would have 274 electoral votes at that point, even if he loses control of Arizona. Not that I think he will need it, but Biden's deficit in Pennsylvania is now down to 400,000 with huge Democratic county populations still to go (Chester, Delaware, Montgomery) - I think Biden carries Pennsylvania by 50,000+. Edit : Michigan has 99% of precincts reporting, Biden's advantage is 38,000 votes. Edit 2 : I've been up 26 hours straight, Arizona has 11 electoral votes, so Biden would have 269, not 274. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 4, 2020 12:09:27 GMT -8
And now that we know what happened in North Carolina and the southern parts of Florida, I would say the validity of both those states could also be in question.
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 4, 2020 12:22:18 GMT -8
One more note on Georgia : Houston County (supposed to protect against the Democrat surge) - Biden is actually making up ground there, with 20,000 more county ballots to go. Trump is now suing Pennsylvania.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Nov 4, 2020 12:26:05 GMT -8
I think I wouldn't normally feel that way as much as I do this election. Since both candidates/administrations are awful I'd rather nothing get done and just buy time until the next election. I'd like to wait until we have someone who is actually a good leader and smart to be in the white house before things get passed... Not wreck it in the meantime It's already been wrecked, unfortunately. The damage has to be mitigated. Unless you have unity on both sides of Congress, whoever the president is is really inconsequential. It's gridlock, partisan division across mostly everything of importance Six more years of Mitch McConnell and the stonewalling of legislation - COVID relief? Healthcare? Perhaps you think that all official actions taken by President Trump are so abominable that all must be overturned lest America disintegrate. I'm sure plenty of those actions can be disputed. But all of them? Even the worst President (and I know that you consider DJT to be the worst) does some things right. Here is a list of some of Trump's important actions. I am eager to learn what you think a President Biden should do with respect to those actions. 1. The move of our embassy to Jerusalem. Do you want a President Biden to move the embassy back to Tel Aviv? 2. The recent peace deals between the UAE and Israel and a similar one between Israel and Bahrain. Should we urge the UAE and Bahrain to renege on those agreements? 3. Trump criticized China for its Hong Kong policy and signed the Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act. Perhaps we should cancel that act and urge the Hong Kong residents to shut up and get with the program. 4. Iran is the leading sponsor of terrorism in the world. Trump has put greater pressure on Iran. Should we remove all sanctions on Iran and say we are sorry? 5. President Trump created the National Council for the American Worker, whose goal is to develop a National strategy for training and retraining workers needed across high-demand industries. Should we cancel that program and let workers fend for themselves? 6. Operation Lightspeed, which appears close to resulting in one or more Covid-19 vaccine. Should we tell the companies involved, Forget about it!My hope is that you will address each and every one of these points. Explain why you think why each should be accepted or opposed. AzWm |
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