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[PAC12 Aztec]

Jun 26, 2020 13:33:38 GMT -8 missiontrails said:

Jun 26, 2020 13:26:48 GMT -8 dlangford9 said:

Just to be sure, for those that are supporting BLM, have you read their website about what they are pursuing?

All 1.7 million prisoners released
All 700,000 police disbanded
Anti-government
Anti-church (all religions)
Pro-abortion
Get rid of “western family nucleus” and have children raised by communities

If this is what you believe and support... so be it, it’s your right to do so.

Did you read that on their website? And yes, I know that's what you wrote in your post. But I didn't see that.

Agree, as I didn't see any of that either. What I read was well written and respectful. We may not all agree with everything this is being done and said but that is the beauty of living in this country. However, we need to listen more and make positive changes. I can't even pretend to understand or think I know what they experience each and every day but it breaks my heart when I read some of the stories and hear about their experiences. I have seen some very powerful videos and read some incredible stories that makes me reflect on my own thoughts/actions and what I can do differently or not "remain silent". At the end of the day no one should have to live through those experiences and I am glad we are making changes for the better.

[gocoaztec]

I went to the BLM website and find it to be as leftist as it is pro-black, and to filled with half truths and blatant lies. It’s purpose, to me, seems much more to inflame than inform. Just a couple of whoppers from the blm website:

“White Supremacy is threatening our existence.”
Fact: In 2018 there were 2925 black homicides, 234 were committed by white assailants. Whites make up approximately 60% of the population, and committed about 8% of the black homicides. These statistics do not take into account whether the homicides were justified or not. When blm makes such a radical, divisive statement, they have a responsibility to back it up with facts. But, we know that there is no truth to their allegation.

“Police killings are now a leading cause of death among black men.”
Fact: in 2018 there were 209 black suspects shot and killed by police. In 2018 there were 2925 black homicides, so police shootings account for 7% of black homicides (again, without regard for whether they were justified). But wait, BLM claims it’s a leading cause of death - there were 19,969,000 black males in 2018. Black mortality was 853 per 100,000 so, (math in public) 170335 black male Americans died in 2018. You can see what’s coming: 209 out of 170335 = 0.12% of black male deaths were due to police shootings. Sure, any reasonable person would agree that basically one out of thousand can now be considered “a leading cause of death”, right?

So what’s the real story, a sad truth that I challenge you to find in the blm website? 2600 of the 2925 homicides were committed by black Americans against black Americans. That’s 89% percent, but it doesn’t even earn a sentence on the blm website, because it doesn’t fit their narrative.

It’s a leftist website attempting to cause division and unrest by using the trusting good nature of most Americans.

Sources:
www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/
ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls
www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/death-rate-by-raceethnicity/?currentTimeframe=0&selectedDistributions=black&selectedRows=%7B%22wrapups%22:%7B%22united-states%22:%7B%7D%7D%7D&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D
www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/demo/tables/race/2018/ppl-ba18/ba18tab1.xls
blacklivesmatter.com/

[Section T(urn Up)]

Jun 26, 2020 17:27:06 GMT -8 gocoaztec said:

I went to the BLM website and find it to be as leftist as it is pro-black, and to filled with half truths and blatant lies. It’s purpose, to me, seems much more to inflame than inform. Just a couple of whoppers from the blm website:

“White Supremacy is threatening our existence.”
Fact: In 2018 there were 2925 black homicides, 234 were committed by white assailants. Whites make up approximately 60% of the population, and committed about 8% of the black homicides. These statistics do not take into account whether the homicides were justified or not. When blm makes such a radical, divisive statement, they have a responsibility to back it up with facts. But, we know that there is no truth to their allegation.

“Police killings are now a leading cause of death among black men.”
Fact: in 2018 there were 209 black suspects shot and killed by police. In 2018 there were 2925 black homicides, so police shootings account for 7% of black homicides (again, without regard for whether they were justified). But wait, BLM claims it’s a leading cause of death - there were 19,969,000 black males in 2018. Black mortality was 853 per 100,000 so, (math in public) 170335 black male Americans died in 2018. You can see what’s coming: 209 out of 170335 = 0.12% of black male deaths were due to police shootings. Sure, any reasonable person would agree that basically one out of thousand can now be considered “a leading cause of death”, right?

So what’s the real story, a sad truth that I challenge you to find in the blm website? 2600 of the 2925 homicides were committed by black Americans against black Americans. That’s 89% percent, but it doesn’t even earn a sentence on the blm website, because it doesn’t fit their narrative.

It’s a leftist website attempting to cause division and unrest by using the trusting good nature of most Americans.

Sources:
www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/
ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls
www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/death-rate-by-raceethnicity/?currentTimeframe=0&selectedDistributions=black&selectedRows=%7B%22wrapups%22:%7B%22united-states%22:%7B%7D%7D%7D&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D
www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/demo/tables/race/2018/ppl-ba18/ba18tab1.xls
blacklivesmatter.com/

I think you’re overlooking a lot of the socioeconomic circumstances that exist, disproportionately, for black Americans. I’ll leave it at that.

[Cwag]

Jun 26, 2020 17:27:06 GMT -8 gocoaztec said:

I went to the BLM website and find it to be as leftist as it is pro-black, and to filled with half truths and blatant lies. It’s purpose, to me, seems much more to inflame than inform. Just a couple of whoppers from the blm website:

“White Supremacy is threatening our existence.”
Fact: In 2018 there were 2925 black homicides, 234 were committed by white assailants. Whites make up approximately 60% of the population, and committed about 8% of the black homicides. These statistics do not take into account whether the homicides were justified or not. When blm makes such a radical, divisive statement, they have a responsibility to back it up with facts. But, we know that there is no truth to their allegation.

“Police killings are now a leading cause of death among black men.”
Fact: in 2018 there were 209 black suspects shot and killed by police. In 2018 there were 2925 black homicides, so police shootings account for 7% of black homicides (again, without regard for whether they were justified). But wait, BLM claims it’s a leading cause of death - there were 19,969,000 black males in 2018. Black mortality was 853 per 100,000 so, (math in public) 170335 black male Americans died in 2018. You can see what’s coming: 209 out of 170335 = 0.12% of black male deaths were due to police shootings. Sure, any reasonable person would agree that basically one out of thousand can now be considered “a leading cause of death”, right?

So what’s the real story, a sad truth that I challenge you to find in the blm website? 2600 of the 2925 homicides were committed by black Americans against black Americans. That’s 89% percent, but it doesn’t even earn a sentence on the blm website, because it doesn’t fit their narrative.

It’s a leftist website attempting to cause division and unrest by using the trusting good nature of most Americans.

Sources:
www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/
ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls
www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/death-rate-by-raceethnicity/?currentTimeframe=0&selectedDistributions=black&selectedRows=%7B%22wrapups%22:%7B%22united-states%22:%7B%7D%7D%7D&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D
www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/demo/tables/race/2018/ppl-ba18/ba18tab1.xls
blacklivesmatter.com/

So are you saying that whites are Superior and that blacks are more violent and prone to criminal behavior? I see how you really feel now.

BLACK LIVES MATTER

[gocoaztec]

“When debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser” - Socrates

[AztecPhil]

Jun 26, 2020 17:27:06 GMT -8 gocoaztec said:

I went to the BLM website and find it to be as leftist as it is pro-black, and to filled with half truths and blatant lies. It’s purpose, to me, seems much more to inflame than inform. Just a couple of whoppers from the blm website:

“White Supremacy is threatening our existence.”
Fact: In 2018 there were 2925 black homicides, 234 were committed by white assailants. Whites make up approximately 60% of the population, and committed about 8% of the black homicides. These statistics do not take into account whether the homicides were justified or not. When blm makes such a radical, divisive statement, they have a responsibility to back it up with facts. But, we know that there is no truth to their allegation.

“Police killings are now a leading cause of death among black men.”
Fact: in 2018 there were 209 black suspects shot and killed by police. In 2018 there were 2925 black homicides, so police shootings account for 7% of black homicides (again, without regard for whether they were justified). But wait, BLM claims it’s a leading cause of death - there were 19,969,000 black males in 2018. Black mortality was 853 per 100,000 so, (math in public) 170335 black male Americans died in 2018. You can see what’s coming: 209 out of 170335 = 0.12% of black male deaths were due to police shootings. Sure, any reasonable person would agree that basically one out of thousand can now be considered “a leading cause of death”, right?

So what’s the real story, a sad truth that I challenge you to find in the blm website? 2600 of the 2925 homicides were committed by black Americans against black Americans. That’s 89% percent, but it doesn’t even earn a sentence on the blm website, because it doesn’t fit their narrative.

It’s a leftist website attempting to cause division and unrest by using the trusting good nature of most Americans.

Sources:
www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/
ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls
www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/death-rate-by-raceethnicity/?currentTimeframe=0&selectedDistributions=black&selectedRows=%7B%22wrapups%22:%7B%22united-states%22:%7B%7D%7D%7D&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D
www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/demo/tables/race/2018/ppl-ba18/ba18tab1.xls
blacklivesmatter.com/

Sorry, I did not see that on their website.
Black Lives Matter Web Site
What I did read is that Water Hawk Newsome claims to represent the NY BLM movement, and apparently has his own website. BLM says he is not now or ever was a BLM leader to the best of their knowledge. Further research found that Newsome is apparently a NYC attorney and had been a guest speaker at a couple of Trump rallies and is a recurring paid guest of the Fox News.

[sdsudevil]

As a person who has been called racist stuff by pretty much every race in this country, and as a Veteran, I enjoy lurking this thread. Even in disagreement on some things, it hasnt been a slugfest of "I'm right, you're wrong"

Proud to be an Aztec. Proud to be an American. Proud that people are standing up for what they believe (the non-destructive folks that is). Proud that many LEO leaders are admitting that there are issues. I support all constructive dialogue and protest, and keep making grievances known in the best non-criminal ways you can, even if it means burning Old Glory. I don't like it, but I understand. Go Aztecs! Go America!

[bnastyaztecs]

Jun 26, 2020 17:27:06 GMT -8 gocoaztec said:

I went to the BLM website and find it to be as leftist as it is pro-black, and to filled with half truths and blatant lies. It’s purpose, to me, seems much more to inflame than inform. Just a couple of whoppers from the blm website:

“White Supremacy is threatening our existence.”
Fact: In 2018 there were 2925 black homicides, 234 were committed by white assailants. Whites make up approximately 60% of the population, and committed about 8% of the black homicides. These statistics do not take into account whether the homicides were justified or not. When blm makes such a radical, divisive statement, they have a responsibility to back it up with facts. But, we know that there is no truth to their allegation.

“Police killings are now a leading cause of death among black men.”
Fact: in 2018 there were 209 black suspects shot and killed by police. In 2018 there were 2925 black homicides, so police shootings account for 7% of black homicides (again, without regard for whether they were justified). But wait, BLM claims it’s a leading cause of death - there were 19,969,000 black males in 2018. Black mortality was 853 per 100,000 so, (math in public) 170335 black male Americans died in 2018. You can see what’s coming: 209 out of 170335 = 0.12% of black male deaths were due to police shootings. Sure, any reasonable person would agree that basically one out of thousand can now be considered “a leading cause of death”, right?

So what’s the real story, a sad truth that I challenge you to find in the blm website? 2600 of the 2925 homicides were committed by black Americans against black Americans. That’s 89% percent, but it doesn’t even earn a sentence on the blm website, because it doesn’t fit their narrative.

It’s a leftist website attempting to cause division and unrest by using the trusting good nature of most Americans.

Sources:
www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/
ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls
www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/death-rate-by-raceethnicity/?currentTimeframe=0&selectedDistributions=black&selectedRows=%7B%22wrapups%22:%7B%22united-states%22:%7B%7D%7D%7D&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D
www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/demo/tables/race/2018/ppl-ba18/ba18tab1.xls
blacklivesmatter.com/

The vast majority of homicide victims are killed by people of their own race. People tend to kill who they know.

Since 2001, black on black and white-on-white homicides as a proportion of those killed of each race peaked at 91.9 and 87.2 percent, respectively.

There is no statistical difference in white on white murders and that of Blacks...whites killed more whites than Blacks killed anybody.

According to 2018 FBI Table 6:

3315 whites were murdered...by 2914 white males...

ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls

So what's your point about murders? Is it to justify the cop killing innocent/unarmed Blacks because you know how they are? I mean...look what they do to each other. I haven't heard an utterance about white on white crime or the white supremacy causes Black poverty. Poverty causes crime and murder for economic gain. Here's the kicker all those stats you posted mean nothing without understanding the role white supremacy plays into it:

African-Americans More Likely to be Wrongfully Convicted


"African-American prisoners who were convicted of murder are about 50 percent more likely to be innocent than other convicted murderers and spend longer in prison before exoneration, according to a report released today that’s co-edited by a Michigan State University College of Law professor."

“Exonerations in 2016” found a record number of exonerations for the third straight year and a record number of cases with official misconduct."

"The 2016 data show convictions that led to murder exonerations with black defendants were more likely to involve misconduct by police officers than those with white defendants."

"Judging from exonerations, a black prisoner serving time for sexual assault is three-and-a-half times more likely to be innocent than a white person convicted of sexual assault."

"In addition, the report, officially titled, “Race and Wrongful Convictions in the United States,” found innocent black people are about 12 times more likely to be convicted of drug crimes than innocent white people."

research.msu.edu/innocent-african-americans-more-likely-to-be-wrongfully-convicted/

Crime stats mean nothing when white supremacy is the cop, prosecutor, judge, jury and media hyping Black crime but ignore whites commit 70 percent of it....

Crimes by Race 2018
ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/table-43

So now maybe you can see BLM's point about white supremacy threatening Black existence by locking up and destroying innocent Black lives...by taking eligible Black men and women out of the population...they are unable to procreate to create and sustain a nuclear family....

[aztecking]

Jun 26, 2020 17:27:06 GMT -8 gocoaztec said:

I went to the BLM website and find it to be as leftist as it is pro-black, and to filled with half truths and blatant lies. It’s purpose, to me, seems much more to inflame than inform. Just a couple of whoppers from the blm website:

“White Supremacy is threatening our existence.”
Fact: In 2018 there were 2925 black homicides, 234 were committed by white assailants. Whites make up approximately 60% of the population, and committed about 8% of the black homicides. These statistics do not take into account whether the homicides were justified or not. When blm makes such a radical, divisive statement, they have a responsibility to back it up with facts. But, we know that there is no truth to their allegation.

“Police killings are now a leading cause of death among black men.”
Fact: in 2018 there were 209 black suspects shot and killed by police. In 2018 there were 2925 black homicides, so police shootings account for 7% of black homicides (again, without regard for whether they were justified). But wait, BLM claims it’s a leading cause of death - there were 19,969,000 black males in 2018. Black mortality was 853 per 100,000 so, (math in public) 170335 black male Americans died in 2018. You can see what’s coming: 209 out of 170335 = 0.12% of black male deaths were due to police shootings. Sure, any reasonable person would agree that basically one out of thousand can now be considered “a leading cause of death”, right?

So what’s the real story, a sad truth that I challenge you to find in the blm website? 2600 of the 2925 homicides were committed by black Americans against black Americans. That’s 89% percent, but it doesn’t even earn a sentence on the blm website, because it doesn’t fit their narrative.

It’s a leftist website attempting to cause division and unrest by using the trusting good nature of most Americans.

Sources:
www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/
ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls
www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/death-rate-by-raceethnicity/?currentTimeframe=0&selectedDistributions=black&selectedRows=%7B%22wrapups%22:%7B%22united-states%22:%7B%7D%7D%7D&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D
www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/demo/tables/race/2018/ppl-ba18/ba18tab1.xls
blacklivesmatter.com/

You simply don’t understand the statistics. Black people kill black people at a higher rate because black people mostly interact with black people (and white people mostly interact with white people). Correlation doesn’t imply causation.

[Aztec Empire]

Not sure this original post is really presented very well but there’s a very real point to be understood about the leadership of BLM. They truly are Marxist at the top of the organization, whether self admitted or not you can see it in their ideology and behavior. They don’t actually care about black lives, they care about destroying the culture of the country and seizing as much power as possible. They have taken advantage of good people who want positive change and have turned them into unassuming weapons. There is no end game except one that is full of chaos. It’s like the children’s book, “If you give a mouse a cookie, he’s going to want milk...”

[aztecron]

Jun 26, 2020 8:57:15 GMT -8 johneaztec said:

Jun 25, 2020 15:58:22 GMT -8 aztecron said:

I'm retired military, my father is retired military and my grandfathers fought in the Korean war. That flag doesn't represent the military in actuality, it represents the country. We fought for our flag and our constitution which grants freedom of speech which can include burning the flag as a form of protest. Do I like to see it happen? No, of course not. But I defend that piece of paper that guarantees the right of freedom of speech and those expressing it.

I've never understood "military" symbolism "disrespect to the military" thing with the flag as the flag doesn't belong to the military it belongs to every citizen, of every color and ethnicity of the United States. We, the military take an oath to support and defend.

Some might need to look at the definition of "support" in that statement. We in the military don't choose what we support or don't. Its all in or you're out.

We owe everyone who's a citizen the right to be allowed to live their life within or as the Constitution permits.

The National Anthem is pretty much all about the Military. I think that's why people are triggered about the kneeling during it, and the burning of it, etc.... The National Anthem is a big representation of our flag and that's what's embedded in most peoples minds, and triggers them when it gets disrespected to them. That's my take anyway.

Fair point. My take is if players can't kneel during the National Anthem then shouldn't fans be required to get out of the concession lines and souvenir stands etc during the National Anthem too?

I'd rather see a player kneel to protest what he considers an injustice in our country than watch someone coming down the stairs with hands full of beers while the National Anthem is playing. That's just me though. This is why I don't get why the kneeling is so divisive. Its okay to disrespect the National Anthem by paying Budweiser money for beers during the National Anthem but people can't kneel and peacefully protest injustice.

These players are young men learning about the world and life in general, I applaud them for taking an interest and exhibiting some sort of principal belief enough to speak to whatever there cause is. To me it's much better than seeing the fans buying food and drinks during the National Anthem.

That's just me though, in no way am I saying I'm right and any differing opinion is wrong.

[gocoaztec]

Jun 26, 2020 19:21:56 GMT -8 AztecPhil said:

Jun 26, 2020 17:27:06 GMT -8 gocoaztec said:

I went to the BLM website and find it to be as leftist as it is pro-black, and to filled with half truths and blatant lies. It’s purpose, to me, seems much more to inflame than inform. Just a couple of whoppers from the blm website:

“White Supremacy is threatening our existence.”
Fact: In 2018 there were 2925 black homicides, 234 were committed by white assailants. Whites make up approximately 60% of the population, and committed about 8% of the black homicides. These statistics do not take into account whether the homicides were justified or not. When blm makes such a radical, divisive statement, they have a responsibility to back it up with facts. But, we know that there is no truth to their allegation.

“Police killings are now a leading cause of death among black men.”
Fact: in 2018 there were 209 black suspects shot and killed by police. In 2018 there were 2925 black homicides, so police shootings account for 7% of black homicides (again, without regard for whether they were justified). But wait, BLM claims it’s a leading cause of death - there were 19,969,000 black males in 2018. Black mortality was 853 per 100,000 so, (math in public) 170335 black male Americans died in 2018. You can see what’s coming: 209 out of 170335 = 0.12% of black male deaths were due to police shootings. Sure, any reasonable person would agree that basically one out of thousand can now be considered “a leading cause of death”, right?

So what’s the real story, a sad truth that I challenge you to find in the blm website? 2600 of the 2925 homicides were committed by black Americans against black Americans. That’s 89% percent, but it doesn’t even earn a sentence on the blm website, because it doesn’t fit their narrative.

It’s a leftist website attempting to cause division and unrest by using the trusting good nature of most Americans.

Sources:
www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/
ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls
www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/death-rate-by-raceethnicity/?currentTimeframe=0&selectedDistributions=black&selectedRows=%7B%22wrapups%22:%7B%22united-states%22:%7B%7D%7D%7D&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D
www2.census.gov/programs-surveys/demo/tables/race/2018/ppl-ba18/ba18tab1.xls
blacklivesmatter.com/

Sorry, I did not see that on their website.
Black Lives Matter Web Site
What I did read is that Water Hawk Newsome claims to represent the NY BLM movement, and apparently has his own website. BLM says he is not now or ever was a BLM leader to the best of their knowledge. Further research found that Newsome is apparently a NYC attorney and had been a guest speaker at a couple of Trump rallies and is a recurring paid guest of the Fox News.

Neither of the quotes are from Mr. Newsome, both were lifted directly from the blm website you reference.  

[Cwag]

Jun 27, 2020 8:02:18 GMT -8 Aztec Empire said:

Not sure this original post is really presented very well but there’s a very real point to be understood about the leadership of BLM. They truly are Marxist at the top of the organization, whether self admitted or not you can see it in their ideology and behavior. They don’t actually care about black lives, they care about destroying the culture of the country and seizing as much power as possible. They have taken advantage of good people who want positive change and have turned them into unassuming weapons. There is no end game except one that is full of chaos. It’s like the children’s book, “If you give a mouse a cookie, he’s going to want milk...”

Whitesplaining Black Lives Matter...That's royal.

[hoobs]

Jun 27, 2020 8:16:47 GMT -8 aztecron said:

Jun 26, 2020 8:57:15 GMT -8 johneaztec said:

The National Anthem is pretty much all about the Military. I think that's why people are triggered about the kneeling during it, and the burning of it, etc.... The National Anthem is a big representation of our flag and that's what's embedded in most peoples minds, and triggers them when it gets disrespected to them. That's my take anyway.

Fair point. My take is if players can't kneel during the National Anthem then shouldn't fans be required to get out of the concession lines and souvenir stands etc during the National Anthem too?

I'd rather see a player kneel to protest what he considers an injustice in our country than watch someone coming down the stairs with hands full of beers while the National Anthem is playing. That's just me though. This is why I don't get why the kneeling is so divisive. Its okay to disrespect the National Anthem by paying Budweiser money for beers during the National Anthem but people can't kneel and peacefully protest injustice.

These players are young men learning about the world and life in general, I applaud them for taking an interest and exhibiting some sort of principal belief enough to speak to whatever there cause is. To me it's much better than seeing the fans buying food and drinks during the National Anthem.

That's just me though, in no way am I saying I'm right and any differing opinion is wrong.

And further, let's all remember that it was a US Army vet who Colin Kaepernick talked to and advised him to kneel as a sign of respectful protest.

www.reuters.com/article/us-minneapolis-police-knee/u-s-army-veteran-stunned-by-negative-reaction-to-kaepernick-kneeling-idUSKBN23G2E2

[standiego]

First and most important - a wide variety of AZTEC athletes support the BLM 2020 movement - are you supportive of those Aztec athletes or not

The 2020 BLM movement that states their focus is to make all aware of the Public Injustice , Police brutality , Criminal Injustice , Economic Injustice , Human rights for All , Environmental Injustice , Need for better Healthcare , Access to
Better Education . Voting Rights - noting there are people who are trying to Suppress people registering or opportunity to vote

They see as important part of achieving those thoughts is to Vote is registering and voting in the 2020 election .

The 2020 movement and vast majority of those locally and Nationally are peaceful in the majority of their actions

Those who may have started the movement believe it was in response to the Ferguson situation back in 2013 - may have had different thoughts

In today's society there is a lot of information out there and unfortunately as we have seen even more MISINFORMATION . Much of it done to divide the people . Some do it to as a strategy . People go to their sources to get the information they want to follow .

[Cwag]

Jun 27, 2020 10:16:03 GMT -8 standiego said:

First and most important - a wide variety of AZTEC athletes support the BLM 2020 movement - are you supportive of those Aztec athletes or not

The 2020 BLM movement that states their focus is to make all aware of the Public Injustice , Police brutality , Criminal Injustice , Economic Injustice , Human rights for All , Environmental Injustice , Need for better Healthcare , Access to
Better Education . Voting Rights - noting there are people who are trying to Suppress people registering or opportunity to vote

They see as important part of achieving those thoughts is to Vote is registering and voting in the 2020 election .

The 2020 movement and vast majority of those locally and Nationally are peaceful in the majority of their actions

Those who may have started the movement believe it was in response to the Ferguson situation back in 2013 - may have had different thoughts

In today's society there is a lot of information out there and unfortunately as we have seen even more MISINFORMATION . Much of it done to divide the people . Some do it to as a strategy . People go to their sources to get the information they want to follow .

Well said. Those that get their news and information from FOX, Alex Jones, Glen Beck and OAN will see Black Lives Matter and an effort to destroy the American way of life. Said to see hate and fear work so effectively.

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Jun 27, 2020 8:16:47 GMT -8 aztecron said:

Jun 26, 2020 8:57:15 GMT -8 johneaztec said:

The National Anthem is pretty much all about the Military. I think that's why people are triggered about the kneeling during it, and the burning of it, etc.... The National Anthem is a big representation of our flag and that's what's embedded in most peoples minds, and triggers them when it gets disrespected to them. That's my take anyway.

Fair point. My take is if players can't kneel during the National Anthem then shouldn't fans be required to get out of the concession lines and souvenir stands etc during the National Anthem too?

I'd rather see a player kneel to protest what he considers an injustice in our country than watch someone coming down the stairs with hands full of beers while the National Anthem is playing. That's just me though. This is why I don't get why the kneeling is so divisive. Its okay to disrespect the National Anthem by paying Budweiser money for beers during the National Anthem but people can't kneel and peacefully protest injustice.

These players are young men learning about the world and life in general, I applaud them for taking an interest and exhibiting some sort of principal belief enough to speak to whatever there cause is. To me it's much better than seeing the fans buying food and drinks during the National Anthem.

That's just me though, in no way am I saying I'm right and any differing opinion is wrong.

The fact of the matter is that it was never just the kneeling during the anthem that caused such outrage. The reason conservatives were upset is that it was a black man protesting something they for (strongly pro-police, against police reform, etc). If a white player decided to kneel during the anthem in protest of legal abortion I can guarantee those same people would’ve loved it and totally ignored whether it disrespected the flag.

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Jun 27, 2020 13:07:24 GMT -8 aztecking said:

Jun 27, 2020 8:16:47 GMT -8 aztecron said:

Fair point. My take is if players can't kneel during the National Anthem then shouldn't fans be required to get out of the concession lines and souvenir stands etc during the National Anthem too?

I'd rather see a player kneel to protest what he considers an injustice in our country than watch someone coming down the stairs with hands full of beers while the National Anthem is playing. That's just me though. This is why I don't get why the kneeling is so divisive. Its okay to disrespect the National Anthem by paying Budweiser money for beers during the National Anthem but people can't kneel and peacefully protest injustice.

These players are young men learning about the world and life in general, I applaud them for taking an interest and exhibiting some sort of principal belief enough to speak to whatever there cause is. To me it's much better than seeing the fans buying food and drinks during the National Anthem.

That's just me though, in no way am I saying I'm right and any differing opinion is wrong.

The fact of the matter is that it was never just the kneeling during the anthem that caused such outrage. The reason conservatives were upset is that it was a black man protesting something they for (strongly pro-police, against police reform, etc). If a white player decided to kneel during the anthem in protest of legal abortion I can guarantee those same people would’ve loved it and totally ignored whether it disrespected the flag.

Agreed 100%.

[johneaztec]

Jun 27, 2020 13:07:24 GMT -8 aztecking said:

Jun 27, 2020 8:16:47 GMT -8 aztecron said:

Fair point. My take is if players can't kneel during the National Anthem then shouldn't fans be required to get out of the concession lines and souvenir stands etc during the National Anthem too?

I'd rather see a player kneel to protest what he considers an injustice in our country than watch someone coming down the stairs with hands full of beers while the National Anthem is playing. That's just me though. This is why I don't get why the kneeling is so divisive. Its okay to disrespect the National Anthem by paying Budweiser money for beers during the National Anthem but people can't kneel and peacefully protest injustice.

These players are young men learning about the world and life in general, I applaud them for taking an interest and exhibiting some sort of principal belief enough to speak to whatever there cause is. To me it's much better than seeing the fans buying food and drinks during the National Anthem.

That's just me though, in no way am I saying I'm right and any differing opinion is wrong.

The fact of the matter is that it was never just the kneeling during the anthem that caused such outrage. The reason conservatives were upset is that it was a black man protesting something they for (strongly pro-police, against police reform, etc). If a white player decided to kneel during the anthem in protest of legal abortion I can guarantee those same people would’ve loved it and totally ignored whether it disrespected the flag.

Not true for me. I wouldn't generalize. I personally don't like any person of the human race to kneel during the National Anthem. Having said that, I do understand they have a right to.

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Jun 27, 2020 13:07:24 GMT -8 aztecking said:

Jun 27, 2020 8:16:47 GMT -8 aztecron said:

Fair point. My take is if players can't kneel during the National Anthem then shouldn't fans be required to get out of the concession lines and souvenir stands etc during the National Anthem too?

I'd rather see a player kneel to protest what he considers an injustice in our country than watch someone coming down the stairs with hands full of beers while the National Anthem is playing. That's just me though. This is why I don't get why the kneeling is so divisive. Its okay to disrespect the National Anthem by paying Budweiser money for beers during the National Anthem but people can't kneel and peacefully protest injustice.

These players are young men learning about the world and life in general, I applaud them for taking an interest and exhibiting some sort of principal belief enough to speak to whatever there cause is. To me it's much better than seeing the fans buying food and drinks during the National Anthem.

That's just me though, in no way am I saying I'm right and any differing opinion is wrong.

The fact of the matter is that it was never just the kneeling during the anthem that caused such outrage. The reason conservatives were upset is that it was a black man protesting something they for (strongly pro-police, against police reform, etc). If a white player decided to kneel during the anthem in protest of legal abortion I can guarantee those same people would’ve loved it and totally ignored whether it disrespected the flag.

That is an ignorant thing to say as there was an event right here in San Diego of a white celebrity who mocked a national symbol before the start of a sporting event, and the nationwide outrage was crazy.  If you want to look it up, it was Roseanne Barr singing the national anthem before a Padres game in 1990.